Opinion Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn - Industry intervention alone can't deal with harassment

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Depriving online hate groups of network services - otherwise known as deplatforming - doesn't work very well, according to boffins based in the United Kingdom.

In a recently released preprint paper, Anh Vu, Alice Hutchings, and Ross Anderson, from the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, examine efforts to disrupt harassment forum Kiwi Farms and find that community and industry interventions have been largely ineffective.

Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior, reveals that deplatforming has only a modest impact and those running harmful sites remain free to carry on harassing people through other services.

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

The researchers focus on the deplatforming of Kiwi Farms, an online forum where users participate in efforts to harass prominent online figures. One such person was a Canadian transgender streamer known as @Keffals on Twitter and Twitch.

In early August last year, a Kiwi Farms forum member allegedly sent a malicious warning to police in London, Ontario, claiming that @Keffals had committed murder and was planning further violence, which resulted in her being "swatted - a form of attack that has proved lethal in some cases.

Following further doxxing, threats, and harassment, @Keffals organized a successful campaign to pressure Cloudflare to stop providing Kiwi Farms with reverse proxy security protection, which helped the forum defend against denial-of-service attacks.

The research paper outlines the various interventions taken by internet companies against Kiwi Farms. After Cloudflare dropped Kiwi Farms on September 3 last year, DDoS-Guard did so two days later. The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties.

On September 10, the kiwifarms.is domain stopped working. Five days later, security firm DiamWall suspended service for those operating the site.

On September 18, all the domains used by the forum became inaccessible, possibly related to an alleged data breach. But then, as the researchers observe, the Kiwi Farms dark web forum was back by September 29. There were further intermittent outages on October 9 and October 22, but since then Kiwi Farms has been active, apart from brief service interruptions.

"The disruption was more effective than previous DDoS attacks on the forum, as observed from our datasets. Yet the impact, although considerable, was short-lived." the researchers state.

"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."

Hate is difficult to shift

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
 
they are unironically advocating for us to be monitored for thinking the wrong thing
they literally want the EU to develop a framework to justify imprisoning people in 'deprogramming camps' where they can 'detoxified' people from their thoughts

they consider this a more likely alternative than shutting down the forum

lmao
 
I wonder why they can’t grasp the culture? I’m sure any of us could go and lurk any board in existence and fit in after a bit, even if you were there for information gathering purposes. It’s not hard.
Because they view it as something they're fighting. It's like pretending you're gay while thinking homosex is gross (it is but I'm trying to make a point here). You stick out like a sore thumb, and you're not getting anywhere with an already made up mind. Although, sometimes you get a glowie that does get it, if that one chan post is to be believed.
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they literally want the EU to develop a framework to justify imprisoning people in 'deprogramming camps' where they can 'detoxified' people from their thoughts

they consider this a more likely alternative than shutting down the forum

lmao
if only orwell were still alive to see this
 
"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate,"

I keep hearing about those programs, but I can never get a hold of one. I'd like to see if its effective and whether my racism is as hardened as I think it is.
 
Putting all of us in one place is not their brightest idea but these types have never been smart. They just say shit they think they'll get asspats for and whatever brings traffic.

I, for one, like the idea of Kiwifarms Internment Camps and await the absolute train wreck that would follow.
 
I wonder why they can’t grasp the culture? I’m sure any of us could go and lurk any board in existence and fit in after a bit, even if you were there for information gathering purposes. It’s not hard.
More applies to underground and necessarily anonymous spaces. Before they were flooded with bots some of these spaces were just a battlegeround of ideas where the claim needed to stand on its own merits (unlike the moronic karma system on plebbit where the biggest institutional lapdog got the most good boy points and was given preferential attention vs a new or random user).

Over time as leftist talking points were eviscerated, leftists either changed their minds or left in frustration to go to places like rebbit where people who disagree with them are punished, and so these spaces inevitably shift to the right (for the most part, some leftist ideas remain which is why the left/right dichotomy is kind of retarded)

So they try to fit in but their ideas (trannies highest moral good, whitey always raycis, etc) are counter to observable reality. Anything they post that necessarily aligns with mainstream media (their primary propaganda apparatus) immediately sticks out like a sore thumb

Even places like KF, if you had a user defending drag queen kindergarten stories it would immediately become apparent that it is either a severely mentally retarded user, a mentally ill AGP grooming victim or a paid shill.

I don't want to write a wall of text and I can't find the screencap i'd saved that explains the phenomenon, so I will illustrate poorly:


- 2016 US elections, trump gained a huge following because in his announcement speech he openly spoke about some of the real problems facing the country without watering down the message.

- these online spaces started to discuss and rapidly formed a consensus that trump was the best hope to course correct out of the field of candidates

- democrat NGOs and PACs notice this and hire an army of retarded redditors, fb users and zoomers to flood the space to try to shift the consensus, it is an unmitigated disaster.

** At firsty the posts stick out because they cannot use the lingo (basically a mix of the worst slurs every few words, which they refuse to repeat)

** Then they try to make memes. They fail, because for a meme to be funny there has to be a kernel of truth, and in the face of the consensus that was formed from evaluating trump's policies vs the state of the country and other candidates, "it's Her Turn" and "Trump is a rapist" and "you're bigots" fall flat.

** they focus group test slogans that are gay and embarrassing and are immediately mocked mercilessly (such as Basket of Deplorables™)

** Nails in the coffin is when autists start posting satirical memes mocking the PAC's tonedeaf attempts at memes. I wish I could find the particular example I'm thinking of, but this one will do to illustrate the mood.
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** and the final nail was when the autists started digging into election committee records and social media and basically discovered the entire org chart of the organization, who funds them, where they live, what porn they jerk off to, etc.

Doesn't help that the army of shills they employ are all very low IQ and the spaced they are trying to combat usually end up with highly intelligent but usually autistic social outcasts. To wit:
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You can imagine this went over well with the legion of autistic right wing shitposters
Edit: this is how

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Putting all of us in one place is not their brightest idea but these types have never been smart. They just say shit they think they'll get asspats for and whatever brings traffic.

I, for one, like the idea of Kiwifarms Internment Camps and await the absolute train wreck that would follow.
I only want to go if I get to keep my phone so we can all get forum points.
 
they literally want the EU to develop a framework to justify imprisoning people in 'deprogramming camps' where they can 'detoxified' people from their thoughts

they consider this a more likely alternative than shutting down the forum

lmao

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Life imitates art more than art imitates life something something
 
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I would love to ask these researchers what they think about the constant erasure of peoples past crimes on the internet, and the fact that KF keeps receipts on them. Perhaps I’d quote 1984 at them:
Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent


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"Cutting forum activity and users by half"

Did all the downtime really drop activity by half? I'm unsure how they're measuring this (I assume posts per day) and I only actually started using Kiwi farms after the deplatforming campaign, so I don't have a good frame of reference to judge this. Anyone want to weigh in on this?

EDIT: Also to be clear I don't know if they're saying it cut activity by half right in the beginning, middle or end of the deplatforming campaign. The article was published today so if I were to be uncharitable I would assume they're talking about the forum as it is right now.
 
"Cutting forum activity and users by half"

Did all the downtime really drop activity by half? I'm unsure how they're measuring this (I assume posts per day) and I only actually started using Kiwi farms after the deplatforming campaign, so I don't have a good frame of reference to judge this. Anyone want to weigh in on this?
sounds like somehting they pulled out of their asses, like everything they do.
 
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