Opinion Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn - Industry intervention alone can't deal with harassment

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Depriving online hate groups of network services - otherwise known as deplatforming - doesn't work very well, according to boffins based in the United Kingdom.

In a recently released preprint paper, Anh Vu, Alice Hutchings, and Ross Anderson, from the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, examine efforts to disrupt harassment forum Kiwi Farms and find that community and industry interventions have been largely ineffective.

Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior, reveals that deplatforming has only a modest impact and those running harmful sites remain free to carry on harassing people through other services.

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

The researchers focus on the deplatforming of Kiwi Farms, an online forum where users participate in efforts to harass prominent online figures. One such person was a Canadian transgender streamer known as @Keffals on Twitter and Twitch.

In early August last year, a Kiwi Farms forum member allegedly sent a malicious warning to police in London, Ontario, claiming that @Keffals had committed murder and was planning further violence, which resulted in her being "swatted - a form of attack that has proved lethal in some cases.

Following further doxxing, threats, and harassment, @Keffals organized a successful campaign to pressure Cloudflare to stop providing Kiwi Farms with reverse proxy security protection, which helped the forum defend against denial-of-service attacks.

The research paper outlines the various interventions taken by internet companies against Kiwi Farms. After Cloudflare dropped Kiwi Farms on September 3 last year, DDoS-Guard did so two days later. The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties.

On September 10, the kiwifarms.is domain stopped working. Five days later, security firm DiamWall suspended service for those operating the site.

On September 18, all the domains used by the forum became inaccessible, possibly related to an alleged data breach. But then, as the researchers observe, the Kiwi Farms dark web forum was back by September 29. There were further intermittent outages on October 9 and October 22, but since then Kiwi Farms has been active, apart from brief service interruptions.

"The disruption was more effective than previous DDoS attacks on the forum, as observed from our datasets. Yet the impact, although considerable, was short-lived." the researchers state.

"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."

Hate is difficult to shift

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
 
Except that Kiwi Farms is one of the most feministic places on the Internet that I know. There are very few other places where women are allowed to speak up about the sexual harassment and systematic infiltration of women spaces by hulking sex-pest men in dresses.
Lipstickalley
Crystalcafe
lolcowfarms
mumsnet
those are only the ones I know of

You'd get banned in minutes for exclaiming any overt masculine thoughts. Not misognistic. Not chavaunistic, Just male thoughts.
 
Digging into the paper, one thing that stuck out is that the authors appear to attribute the late September downtime to industry action:
The most significant, long-lasting impact was caused by the substantial industry disruption that we analyse in this paper. While activity immediately dropped by around 20% after Cloudflare’s action on 3 September, the forum was still online at kiwifarms.ru, hosting the same content. Activity did not degrade significantly until DDoS-Guard’s action on 5 September, which took down the Russian domain. By 18 September, all domains were unavailable, including .onion (presumably their hosting was identified); forum activity dropped to zero and stayed there for a week. The operator managed to get the forum back online for the first time on 27 September 2022....
As we know, this downtime was because of a hack, where a script injection attack compromised the site and the forums were wiped. Due to Null being occupied with a family situation, it was a few days before he was able to recover from back-ups and bring the site back up.

This is significant since it is the longest outage the Farms has had other than the voluntary 2017 downtime, and it was the result of a highly illegal (but of course unprosecuted) action. The authors don't mention this at all amidst their policy discussions and recommendations, so it appears that their research simply failed them.
 
Viet Anh Vu - https://www.cst.cam.ac.uk/people/vv301 (Arch.)
Alice Hutchings - https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ah793/ (Arch.)
Ross Anderson - https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/ (Arch.)

A word of advice to the pho nigger - you're better off sticking with something else like malware research as it would've gotten you far in your career. What you did instead was waste time, funds, sanity, and research and work effort of these two professors. They could've done something much more important, but instead you roped them into whatever clusterfuck of a research this is.

For such a university that maintains itself in landscaping and architectural beauty, I would've expected bright young minds and academic excellence. Such a shame. Not only that, the funds that your parents academically supported you with were completely wasted on your hateboner for shitposters, especially for ones who like to have a laugh at retards on the Internet. Complete that experience with some glorified toilet paper that states your title of "Ph.D", and that will be what people may really know you for at this point.

And just for that, I find it to be really funny.

EtA: Just to expand on the profile of the "Ph.D" graduate student in question.
Twitter: https://twitter.com/anhvcs?lang=en (Arch.)
ResearchGate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Viet-Anh-Vu-5 (Arch.)
Github: https://anhvvcs.github.io/ (Arch.)

He also has a LinkedIn, but I don't feel like touching that place. If someone can archive, please do so.
 
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The decline of El Reg is a good reminder that you shouldn't assume people are smart (or even useful) if they work with computers.

It also strikes me that one of the biggest dangers that KF and spaces like it pose to the prevailing narrative is it lets people know they're not alone, and that noticing this nonsense transcends race, class, and culture.

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Well, today I learned what "boffin" means and I laughed. Was it worth sounding ridiculous when you could have just said "researcher" or "expert"? The Queen's English™ is for clowns.
Typically it's from engurlund so if Josh covers it on mati, we will hear about how much he hates Anglos.
 
Look the more you've tried to deplatform and shut down kiwifarms the more it keeps coming back up online only stronger. If you never censored or deplatformed people on the right or went after people's finances and destroyed our favorite companies and Internet as we knew it we might have had a better world. Globalists/Jews/lizard people/whatever you want to call them you fucked yourself, letting hate speech exist online is the best form of pressure valve relief and you stupid mother fuckers won't do anything because you're utterly pathetic and stupid.
If Mr retard gets out his daily use of the word nigger online he turns out not to bubble in anger. The problem is no the elites have to be paranoid faggots. If you kept the internet so free that everything got lost in irrelevance then you could have gone forward better with your totalitarian plans.
 
Digging into the paper, one thing that stuck out is that the authors appear to attribute the late September downtime to industry action:

As we know, this downtime was because of a hack, where a script injection attack compromised the site and the forums were wiped. Due to Null being occupied with a family situation, it was a few days before he was able to recover from back-ups and bring the site back up.

This is significant since it is the longest outage the Farms has had other than the voluntary 2017 downtime, and it was the result of a highly illegal (but of course unprosecuted) action. The authors don't mention this at all amidst their policy discussions and recommendations, so it appears that their research simply failed them.
I think they know exactly what they are doing. They are both, actively lying and lying by omission. The study was done in bad faith.
 
Violent threats and SWATting are already illegal and people are explicitly told not to engage in gayops.

People going to their personal corner of the internet to laugh at somebody is not "harassment" and certainly isn't an excuse to withdraw their protections against the illegal act of DDOSing.

Part of me would like to see Kindness Camp happen just to see the look of absolute despondency on our new overlords' faces when they realise that not every poster here is a FUCKING WHITE MALE.

None of this is a new concept. "The right to be forgotten" and other spurious shit that people try and sneak into the law books under the guise of "protecting duh children" has still not borne fruit.

All of your woes could be solved by not namesearching like a narc lunatic and simply logging off.

In any event, tech-based laws are already woefully outdated in a lot of areas and cryhole shit like this simply isn't a priority. Let the boomer lawmakers catch up with the shit that actually matters.
 
Do these "people" even read the site? We're here to laugh, not hate. Or do they just pull shit out of their ass and call it fact?
They definitely didn't. If they'd had even a cursory look around the forums they would have discovered that the userbase is incredibly diverse.

KF is multicultural, multilingual, politically diverse and brimming with neurodiverse retards of all (adult) ages and both sexes. And we're all capable of coexisting here together, laughing at retards online between arguments about which of us is the more retarded. The site literally has a "don't touch" policy and the documentation here has helped everyone from law enforcement to youtube commentary.

But:
I think they know exactly what they are doing. They are both, actively lying and lying by omission. The study was done in bad faith.
 
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