Opinion Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn - Industry intervention alone can't deal with harassment

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Depriving online hate groups of network services - otherwise known as deplatforming - doesn't work very well, according to boffins based in the United Kingdom.

In a recently released preprint paper, Anh Vu, Alice Hutchings, and Ross Anderson, from the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, examine efforts to disrupt harassment forum Kiwi Farms and find that community and industry interventions have been largely ineffective.

Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior, reveals that deplatforming has only a modest impact and those running harmful sites remain free to carry on harassing people through other services.

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

The researchers focus on the deplatforming of Kiwi Farms, an online forum where users participate in efforts to harass prominent online figures. One such person was a Canadian transgender streamer known as @Keffals on Twitter and Twitch.

In early August last year, a Kiwi Farms forum member allegedly sent a malicious warning to police in London, Ontario, claiming that @Keffals had committed murder and was planning further violence, which resulted in her being "swatted - a form of attack that has proved lethal in some cases.

Following further doxxing, threats, and harassment, @Keffals organized a successful campaign to pressure Cloudflare to stop providing Kiwi Farms with reverse proxy security protection, which helped the forum defend against denial-of-service attacks.

The research paper outlines the various interventions taken by internet companies against Kiwi Farms. After Cloudflare dropped Kiwi Farms on September 3 last year, DDoS-Guard did so two days later. The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties.

On September 10, the kiwifarms.is domain stopped working. Five days later, security firm DiamWall suspended service for those operating the site.

On September 18, all the domains used by the forum became inaccessible, possibly related to an alleged data breach. But then, as the researchers observe, the Kiwi Farms dark web forum was back by September 29. There were further intermittent outages on October 9 and October 22, but since then Kiwi Farms has been active, apart from brief service interruptions.

"The disruption was more effective than previous DDoS attacks on the forum, as observed from our datasets. Yet the impact, although considerable, was short-lived." the researchers state.

"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."

Hate is difficult to shift

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
 
Posting from the DarkWeb, after a long day of recruiting haters of women, POCs, and transgenders.

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This happened multiple times before and you're delusional if you think this won't happen again.
It did and it will happen again. But every time, suffering notwithstanding it fails.

Ceausescu tried to create the new soviet man, divorcing people from their roots and religion via then state of the art psychological techniques which ultimately amounted to extrene physical and psychological torture. It failed. Not one success. People either committed suicide or octupled-down on their heritage and religion, with a newly formed burning hatred for those who victimized them.

I can post a paper on this if you're interested.

If things continue as they are (and of course they will because the dipshits in charge only have one speed and it's full afterburner), 110 is gonna be spicy.
 
There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction."
Youth clubs and schools?

I'm 35 with a wife and a kid on the way. There are bonafide Boomers who post on this site.
 
I will be honest. I used to read The Register as it was a good source of news but for a while now they seem to be steering into the political spectrum rather than IT related news. Now I hardly ever read it.

They’ve turned into another “free speech is great as long as I agree with it” outlet.
 
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Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior
This always stands out to me. If the conduct is already unlawful, why are they making more laws? It is telling then, that the conduct is merely "undesirable"
"But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."
No shit, Sherlock. We've only told you since you first discovered deplatforming.
"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."
First I hear that we lost half our userbase, and I haven't seen much evidence to support this
Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."
It is totally illegal they say, but they need need laws to make it illegal, new legal framework, and, okay, it's not actually illegal even in the EU.

I swear, the only people this is targeted to, are the people who only read the headlines.
I love this hate forum.
We love you too, buddy.
censorship adds legitimacy to the message.
That's what they never can understand. That's partly why Holocaust denial is so popular, because in almost every developed nation it is illegal, and in every community that gets censored. People, therefore, assume that they are right, after all, if they weren't, they could be proven wrong, instead of jailed.
This type of midwit take makes my blood boil:
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This is such a retarded take. Trying to pressure companies to deplatform Kiwi Farms for its speech, does violate free speech. It is even a tortious conduct, in US and EU. Whether or not it violates US constitution is a different question, which is likely a strong 'no', unless the online infrastructure is declared to be public carriers (as they should in my opinion).

Either way you take it, this does violate free speech, and is a court-punishable conduct. On the other hand, what we are doing is legal, both in civil and criminal law.
They came at deer feeder with all they got and little josh just ate pizza and worked day and night for a months to get everything running better than before.
You can never take down the Troll King!
 
What are they gonna do about the non-whitoids or third worlders who post here? Are they gonna force Brazil to hand over our huehue users for laughing at Brazilian retards? Look at this bigot whitey wanting to put the kiwifarms PoCS (Posters of ChuckN'Sneed) into camps of concentration! :c

Edit: I also remember we have actual Israelis and turks here! Very 🤔 isn't?
 
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Yes, this sounds like an amazing idea, one that'll surely not at all solidify their ideas and drive them further into radicalization whilst keeping everything away from the public eye with underground movements.
I, for one, am in total support of this just to show to outsiders how batshit insane these people are; these people think that if they can't hear dissent then it doesn't exist and everything "hateful" can be swept under the rug and everybody else will applaud them for it.
 
What are they gonna do about the non-whitoids or third worlders who post here? Are they gonna force Brazil to hand over our huehue users for laughing at Brazilian retards? Look at this bigot whitey wanting to put the kiwifarms PoCS (Posters of ChuckN'Sneed) into camps of concentration! :c
the plan is that they don't have a plan. They don't know what the fuck theyre doing. Again, no truth on their side so they are forced to make it up as they go along which is why their shit is always so tonedeaf and hamfisted.

Who is even the target for their propaganda? Retards who literally don't matter. The secondary objective is to demoralize people like us (nominal dissenters, functioning brains) and as longa s you can see what they're doing it doesn't work anymore.

They're fucked. They've been fucked from the start. They will pile bodies in the streets but still they will lose.
 
Imagine three people having Ph.D's and spending hundreds of hours collectively to figure out something that has been known for centuries, that if you don't allow free speech in majoritarian spaces, said speech will thrive in corners of its own creation.

The fact that this is one of very, very few places these days where you can say utterly provocative things like, "Men cannot get pregnant", or "Women don't have a penis" tells you all you need to know. The only way to make us go away is to allow more freedom of speech in the rest of society.

But instead, their plan is "arresting them, enjoining them or otherwise deterring them". The barbarity of their beliefs is laid bare, but we're the ones filled with hate and are literal Nazis? Null, thanks for keeping this shitshow running, this really is just about the last place on the internet where you can speak your mind freely.
 
Literally advocating for a site to be taken down through illegal means. And when that didn't work, now advocates to just commit what is tantamount to a war crime because they're that mati. We should have listened to Gene Leonhardt, consequences certainly are not the same.
 
You will get thrown into concentration camps
You will eat the bugs
You will bake the cake
You will suck tranny dick
You will own nothing
You will throw them into concentration camps
You will eat the steak
Your big titted loving wife will bake you a cake
You will kick the tranny dick
You will own everything
YOU WILL BE HAPPY
 
It reads like a love letter to the effort null has put into keep this place going while the dwindling mass media spreads their lies while lifting drugged out trannies into the spotlight.

They want a law change to remove us, I guess we are the Jews now. I especially like how we somehow seem to be the purveyors of conspiracy theories & harassment when we just laugh at retards on the internet.
 
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