Opinion Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn - Industry intervention alone can't deal with harassment

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Depriving online hate groups of network services - otherwise known as deplatforming - doesn't work very well, according to boffins based in the United Kingdom.

In a recently released preprint paper, Anh Vu, Alice Hutchings, and Ross Anderson, from the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, examine efforts to disrupt harassment forum Kiwi Farms and find that community and industry interventions have been largely ineffective.

Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior, reveals that deplatforming has only a modest impact and those running harmful sites remain free to carry on harassing people through other services.

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

The researchers focus on the deplatforming of Kiwi Farms, an online forum where users participate in efforts to harass prominent online figures. One such person was a Canadian transgender streamer known as @Keffals on Twitter and Twitch.

In early August last year, a Kiwi Farms forum member allegedly sent a malicious warning to police in London, Ontario, claiming that @Keffals had committed murder and was planning further violence, which resulted in her being "swatted - a form of attack that has proved lethal in some cases.

Following further doxxing, threats, and harassment, @Keffals organized a successful campaign to pressure Cloudflare to stop providing Kiwi Farms with reverse proxy security protection, which helped the forum defend against denial-of-service attacks.

The research paper outlines the various interventions taken by internet companies against Kiwi Farms. After Cloudflare dropped Kiwi Farms on September 3 last year, DDoS-Guard did so two days later. The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties.

On September 10, the kiwifarms.is domain stopped working. Five days later, security firm DiamWall suspended service for those operating the site.

On September 18, all the domains used by the forum became inaccessible, possibly related to an alleged data breach. But then, as the researchers observe, the Kiwi Farms dark web forum was back by September 29. There were further intermittent outages on October 9 and October 22, but since then Kiwi Farms has been active, apart from brief service interruptions.

"The disruption was more effective than previous DDoS attacks on the forum, as observed from our datasets. Yet the impact, although considerable, was short-lived." the researchers state.

"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."

Hate is difficult to shift

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
 
"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."
Way to make yourselves sound like the good guys when I, a mere internet shitposter, am being threatened with "action" by a group with as lofty a name as the "Council of Europe" who according to my research are a bunch of elite, unelected bureaucrats. Like holy shit, you fuckers answer to the United States, just say I'll be facing the full might of all three letter agencies and the Clintons if I don't comply.
They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
See you in Camp Ocasio-Cortez, Kiwifriends.
 
I love it when they have to do mental gymnastics to not come out like "We defend free speech BUT fuck you I'm banning you anyway".

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POV: KiwiFarmer before being taken to the Sneedcamp (Formely Chuckwitz)
 
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>incapacitate
>arrest
>deter
When are we going to stop pretending that these people don't want us dead. I'm feeling real fucking fedpost right now. My existence is an affront to these people and not in the empowering defiance way, in the "these people are actively publishing research that promotes my eradication and i live in a country where they are likely to succeed" way. Sorry, Null, waiting for le boomer policymakers to die in 20 years just ain't gonna cut it anymore.
 
"But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."
Wow, what a shocker. Took those retards long enough to realize it.
They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.
Pretty much. If you try to censor shit, like you and your disgusting ilk have done numerous times ago and still do, people are going to be pissed off about it.
Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.
A "regime", huh? And setting up a "framework", what a nice euphemism for internment extermination deprogramming CAMPS. All of this for hurt feefees.
"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."
"hate speech" laws and free speech are fundamentally incompatible. If you try to justify rounding up people for saying dumb shit on the Internet you should get your head checked more than the radical shitposters themselves. You are literally the "nazis" you claim to fight against, but everything is permitted for the Party woke cult, am I right? You can't fight the truth you desperately try to censor, falsify or outright silence. Even if you have to kill people (what will come next after this, I guaran-fucking-tee it) "for the greater good". What a bunch of hypocritical, power-hungry, unhinged faggots. "ACAB" and "Rage Against With The Machine", LARPing as anarchists, but crying to the state when someone is such a meanie. I detest these "people".

A short history lesson for you:
In this particular case the GDR "Stasi" (germ. "Staatsicherheit", eng. "State security") blueprint for the "camps" would be the most likely to be used. In the now infamous "Hohenschönhausen" prison, inmates were physically and psychologically tortured to break them and molded to make them loyal to the state. This was known as "Zersetzung" (decomposition).

Here is one of the high-tech contraptions used to "educate" prisoners of the state:
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I'd rather eat a bullet or [insert fedpost here], than submitting to those freaks. If this comes to fruition for whatever reason, many people will try to flee. And if you're living in the shithole that is the EU, you should too. As soon as a politician says "we're not going to build a wall", pack your bags and run. Or you will be beaten up, tortured and brainwashed until you have no choice to suck the stinkditch. Or die trying to flee from that point on forward. Land mines, tower guards hunting you for sport, you name it.

This happened multiple times before and you're delusional if you think this won't happen again.
 
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-Drag queen de-indoctrination hour!
-Pin the skingraft penis onto the pooner!
-The great dilation race!
And many more!

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Eurofaggots want to put political dissidents in "social work" camps to (((deprogram))) them.

In other news, water is wet.

If you live in Europe you need to get the fuck out ASAP, this article is yet more proof that they are coming for you and you will be forced at gunpoint to be a progressive. If all of the other hyper-authoritarian gestapo shit didn't convince you, this should.
 
An interesting line of questions predicated on the idea that cogs in the government machine generally act in good faith. I don't believe the people involved do. I think they know exactly what they're doing and have chosen not to care. The few true believers are just low iq rule followers but aren't in a position of authority.

Didn't the UK's health minister get implicated in a massive bad faith civil rights-abusing 'rona-related scandal? He knew what orders he was following. His subordinates knew what they were doing. The media knew what they were doing. Rotten from top to bottom.

Apropos:
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I find it an issue with the KiwiFarm site. Many on the site will say "KF is not political, we just make fun of retards". This would be a fair argument in a fair society. But this is not a fair society. They seem to not even be aware. People in power, will make KF political.

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When are we going to stop pretending that these people don't want us dead. I'm feeling real fucking fedpost right now. My existence is an affront to these people and not in the empowering defiance way, in the "these people are actively publishing research that promotes my eradication and i live in a country where they are likely to succeed" way. Sorry, Null, waiting for le boomer policymakers to die in 20 years just ain't gonna cut it anymore.
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It's only a matter if time until they get their assholes prolapsed. They do not have the truth on their side. Their entire plan requires a 24x7 constant barrage of shilling and propaganda to maintain and it's failing utterly.

Remember also that 3-5% of a population openly dissenting is historically when revolutions kick off.

The cost will be high, but you will see the tide turn within your lifetime. Focus on your health, wealth, and preparedness so you can survive long enough to see it happen.
 
there's a lot in poland

Figures. None near me then.
Still, if you can - post some of them and results, if available. Would be fun to see what happened.

Come on, it's a grift, if something like that actually worked the prisons wouldn't be so full.

The prisons are generally full of minorities and sexual deviants. So far.
There were several studies and even actions on preventing white interest groups in prison, as small as they are in most places. People, who are not as easily swayed by propaganda shouldn't be allowed to organize, as this will be a threat to those in power - even in the prison system. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if at some point refusing to participate in this brainwashing actually counts as an offence and you go to prison because of it.
 
Those deranged perverts are not even hiding their fantasies of pozzing people by imprisonment in forced-feminization sissy-hypno camps anymore. :story:

detox young men from misogynistic attitudes
Except that Kiwi Farms is one of the most feministic places on the Internet that I know. There are very few other places where women are allowed to speak up about the sexual harassment and systematic infiltration of women spaces by hulking sex-pest men in dresses.
 
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