Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Corn Flakes]

Can't it be used the same way to help them getting out of it?

As the others said, it becomes much harder once someone is already part of a cult.

The seed of doubt only takes root when there is a gap in someone's self-worth The cult fills all gaps in the victim's mind with its own bullshit, that's why you see so many new trannies immediately re-skin their entire lives into tranny shit once they "come out". Once they're in the gendercult, everything they do must be "trans" in some way, and that leaves no space for doubts anymore.

 

[glass_houses]

As the others said, it becomes much harder once someone is already part of a cult.

The seed of doubt only takes root when there is a gap in someone's self-worth The cult fills all gaps in the victim's mind with its own bullshit, that's why you see so many new trannies immediately re-skin their entire lives into tranny shit once they "come out". Once they're in the gendercult, everything they do must be "trans" in some way, and that leaves no space for doubts anymore.

Also too, there's usually only one or two people trying to talk sense into their friend, while everyone else is either actively lovebombing him and being sooo supportive, or else trying very hard to stay quiet about their misgivings because they know the shitstorm that will break over them if they speak up. If there's just one person trying to talk sense, and hundreds telling them to troon out it'll be the best thing ever, who are they going to listen to? The one cynic trying to puncture their good mood, or the entire world telling them that everything they're doing is wonderful and they will be happy and loved forever?

It's really hard to perceive that something is very wrong if even the government is trying to force legislation through to support it.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

In my experience, once they’re in, they become extremely resistant to outside ideas. It’s one of the big signs it’s a real, albeit leaderless, cult.

Troonism doesn't need a leader because everyone is the leader. It's a self-perpetuating cycle of people giving and receiving validation, in which everybody relies on everyone else for support. You regurgitate the ideas you're fed because the acceptance makes you feel good, and any questioning leads to dire consequences.

Maybe cult leaders aren't necessary anymore. It used to take someone really charismatic to convince you of dumb shit. Nowadays you can just go online and find whole groups of like-minded people feeding off each others' delusion.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Maybe cult leaders aren't necessary anymore. It used to take someone really charismatic to convince you of dumb shit. Nowadays you can just go online and find whole groups of like-minded people feeding off each others' delusion.

The idea that a cult requires a leader has always struck me as a little short-sighted, or biased in some way. It allows the exclusion of movements that display all the aspects of a cult, but has no visible leader.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

but has no visible leader.

Ngos, government institutions, psychiatrists, politicians, corporations, clinics.

It doesn't need one leader when its a whole industry

 

[Silly Milly]

The idea that a cult requires a leader has always struck me as a little short-sighted, or biased in some way. It allows the exclusion of movements that display all the aspects of a cult, but has no visible leader.

A cult is definitely strengthened by a charismatic, intelligent, and forceful leader. It's to the benefit of every sane, rational individual that every would-be icon of the transgender movement is a repulsive freak with enough baggage that Sam Brinton is combing through it looking for women's lingerie.

 

[weirdwound]

I was internet friends with this couple: a woman and her tif fiance. Fiance killed themselves and it was shocking. It affected me emotionally a lot. The suicide was from never being able to cope with their "transness" and depression stemming from it. I lost touch with the lady, but found her again on tumblr after years, and she is doing well and is a terf now.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Maybe cult leaders aren't necessary anymore. It used to take someone really charismatic to convince you of dumb shit. Nowadays you can just go online and find whole groups of like-minded people feeding off each others' delusion.

Troonery is a cult for the modern age: it's in the cloud. No one leader, no one gathering place, no agreed canon. Just a fungal growth pattern.

 

[Corn Flakes]

The idea that a cult requires a leader has always struck me as a little short-sighted, or biased in some way. It allows the exclusion of movements that display all the aspects of a cult, but has no visible leader.

Back in the day ideas were more difficult to spread so you needed a charismatic person to draw in the suckers. And even then, most cults were recognized for what they were, because you could see the people in them. The gendercult, on the other hand, is an internet mindbug. It's more like a multi-level marketing scam: someone cracks your egg, and then it's up to you to go forth and crack as many more eggs as you can. Nobody knows who did it first, all it matters is the dopamine hit from altering someone's life.

 

[quackrock]

Troonery is a cult for the modern age: it's in the cloud. No one leader, no one gathering place, no agreed canon. Just a fungal growth pattern.

Man in the Dress: Stand Alone Complex

Just learned that another one of my old friends trooned out. He's surrounded by enablers in an a deep-blue bughive and won't be coming up for air anytime soon. There is a cluster of troons in my extended social network that seems to be growing. I haven't been in touch with most of these people for a while, but they were good friends once. When I hear this news it feels like a rising cloud of black smoke just over the horizon, or tales of far-away villages sacked by encroaching barbarian invaders.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

It's more like a multi-level marketing scam: someone cracks your egg, and then it's up to you to go forth and crack as many more eggs as you can. Nobody knows who did it first, all it matters is the dopamine hit from altering someone's life.

There's also a sense of urgency when it comes to converting people. Transitioning is portrayed as the one and only solution to whatever mystery ailment these people have, which means one is strongly encouraged to "crack eggs" as early as possible in order to save them from a lifetime of misery.

It's more than just a selfish desire for validation that drives troons and troon enablers to recruit others - rather, it's seen as the morally good thing to do. Nobody ever dares to question someone else's transition, because that would mean potentially depriving them of the miraculous cure.

The "multi-level marketing scam" analogy is pretty apt, but instead of having organised levels it's just an endless spiral from which nobody benefits. Except maybe the doctors.

 

[AngryGreg1960]

Man I've seen a lot of my Facebook friends going too far with this trend. Calling us immature and homophobic just because we against to this decision, I couldn't do anything to stop them since they had a relationship to another transgender and probably got into that because of that person. I decided to stop browsing on that site and hopefully never go back.

 

[Mad_Dog]

I'm sorry for all of you who have to deal with those brainwashed narcissists...

 

[Vinegar Lover]

Hello all,

I have a storytime but I also am in need of advice. Leading with the advice topic since it's shorter:

My wife's sister is either considering identifying as a man, or is identifying as gender fluid, we're not sure which as it's very touchy. She is diagnosed ADHD and I'm not sure if she is consistently medicated or if it even does anything for her, not an expert on it. She is also extremely rebellious, likely because her parents (my in-laws) were always short on money and did not hide that stress from the kids, as well as deploying some questionable parenting tactics up to and including abuse. Simply put, with tumultuous life and some personal problems it makes sense she got sucked into being trans. Their family has never been close or warm outside of staying under the same room or random vignettes of kindness I've heard about from my wife. She has been asked to be called by a male name, though doesn't dress like a man. I don't know the full extent of it, but I am asking if any of you have experience talking someone out this? My wife is at a loss with how to approach the situation since in the past her parents have completely cut off one side of the family and she doesn't want our baby son to be without his grandparents (for the record, they really are not awful people, just flawed). I don't want to step in since I'm an outsider in my sister in law's life. I did tell my wife that I will step in and protect our son from troon propaganda if her sister tries to impart any of it on him.

 

[Aunt Carol]

My wife's sister is either considering identifying as a man, or is identifying as gender fluid, we're not sure which as it's very touchy [...] She is also extremely rebellious

Without demanding powerleveling, there's some clarifying information that might help.

Is your sister-in-law still living with your wife's parents, or geographically much closer to them than you? It sounds like this information is second-hand through someone who didn't really get what was going on either. It seems unlikely that "Call me Milo now" didn't come with a long and detailed explanation of what everyone else's duty was to her mental health.

It also seems odd that parents who are cold and distant (and just allowed sister-in-law's "tumultuous life" to happen) would be the type to suddenly go all-in on support when it's troonery. The reason they cut off some of their own family would possibly help to explain; was this a reasonable action, and what flavor was the offense.

You're right: this is going to be no fun at all to navigate.

I think a good starting point is to clarify your position, with yourself as well as with your wife. (Hopefully you're on the same page, but agreeing to protect your kid makes it sound like you are.) Your sister-in-law is slapping the trans Band-Aid over an older, bigger problem, which is bad for her. Your sister-in-law is possibly about to start demanding everyone in the family change for her, and if the parents are playing along out of convictions or social pressure, this is an unprecedented amount of power for a kid who grew up feeling neglected to suddenly feel, and it's going to reinforce that "gender euphoria" that's really just the sparkle of a new special interest and a new automatic friend group.

Being already aware of the common arguments of troonery can only help. If you're able to articulate your thoughts without sounding angry, if you're able to frame it as concern for her and the family, that will help. A lot of this comes as a surprise to people who aren't from the Internet, so they'll accept what a troon says as they helpfully educate the normies on something they've never even heard of before, and haven't even had time to think about.

And if you need to go nuclear you can start sending her pooners.

 

[Fapcop]

I have a storytime but I also am in need of advice. Leading with the advice topic since it's shorter:

My wife's sister is either considering identifying as a man, or is identifying as gender fluid, we're not sure which as it's very touchy. She is diagnosed ADHD and I'm not sure if she is consistently medicated or if it even does anything for her, not an expert on it. She is also extremely rebellious, likely because her parents (my in-laws) were always short on money and did not hide that stress from the kids, as well as deploying some questionable parenting tactics up to and including abuse. Simply put, with tumultuous life and some personal problems it makes sense she got sucked into being trans. Their family has never been close or warm outside of staying under the same room or random vignettes of kindness I've heard about from my wife. She has been asked to be called by a male name, though doesn't dress like a man. I don't know the full extent of it, but I am asking if any of you have experience talking someone out this? My wife is at a loss with how to approach the situation since in the past her parents have completely cut off one side of the family and she doesn't want our baby son to be without his grandparents (for the record, they really are not awful people, just flawed). I don't want to step in since I'm an outsider in my sister in law's life. I did tell my wife that I will step in and protect our son from troon propaganda if her sister tries to impart any of it on him.

Im a little confused…

What does your kid and the parents have to do with the sister?

Like, if you tell her she’s being an idiot and you won’t respect her pronouns, what does that have to do with your kids seeing their grandparents?

As to how to “approach it”, there’s really only one thing to do, unless you want to get caught in the wake of sister-in-law’s craziness.

1: Tell her that you love her, and always the and her to be a part of the family.

2: Tell her that you will be glad to support her in getting therapy and seeing a doctor for her mental problems.

3: Tell her in no uncertain terms that you will absolutely not refer to her by male pronouns or a male name.

4: Tell her that you will refuse to help her with destroying her life. Because the pronouns and male name is only the first step. When she’s still feeling like shit and the first “Gender euphoria” passes, she will get on T and all the rest of it.

And as for “protecting your kid”… Dear Kiwi… Just by having someone in your life and referring to them by a male name, you’re creating some unnecessary confusion and doubt in the young mind.

 

[CreamBunny]

I lost another friend to handmaiden shit.

I'm going through this with one of my best friends too. She's a creative type who has always been a little left-leaning but ever since she decided to drop everything in her life to pursue being "an artist" she's exposed herself to tons of brain-rotted people. We used to just agree to disagree about things and she'd listen to my opinions even if she didn't like them. About a month ago she calls me to say she's a lesbian now, which is whatever I guess, but then she brought up trans surgeries out of nowhere. I mentioned what a horror show all of that butchery is and the inevitable regret that accompanies cutting your sex organs up and she went awkwardly quiet then excused herself from the call.

She ghosted me after that (we had talked near daily for the past decade, so it was unusual for her to ignore my messages) then sent me a giant wall of text this morning about how all trans people are lovely and valid, and their neo-organs are indistinguishable from natal ones, and that they're all so perfect in their understanding of their "true selves" that no real trans person would ever make the mistake of getting a surgery they'd regret. She went on to say anyone who regrets the surgery was never really trans, and that I "shouldn't believe everything I read online". She said that she will never tolerate someone talking about trans surgeries the way I did and that I owe her and the whole trans community an apology.

Obviously that's not happening, but it was strange how this was the only time she ever made demands of me like that. I did some snooping and I'm pretty sure you can guess the nature of her new "girlfriend". I wonder how much of the text wall was written by him.

I have not yet replied, and I don't really plan to. She's firmly in the cult's grasp and nothing I say will reach her while she's got a tranny whispering in her ear.

(p.s. I hope you don't mind my late reply, your situation helped me not feel alone so thanks for that.)

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

She ghosted me after that (we had talked near daily for the past decade, so it was unusual for her to ignore my messages) then sent me a giant wall of text

Manic episode. The Trooning conditioning induces real psycosis. Dealing with someone in this mental states is something that as a friend is beyond one's league.

 

[CreamBunny]

Manic episode. The Trooning conditioning induces real psycosis. Dealing with someone in this mental states is something that as a friend is beyond one's league.

It's heartbreaking that this is happening to her. She's one of the sweetest people I've ever known, but she was always a weird-art-chick outcast and there were tons of red flags that she might end up going down the gender rabbit-hole. After she started drawing gay fanart I was always worried it would be her doing the trooning, but I never saw it coming that it would her doing the troon. He's probably the first guy who ever pursued her. It must have been easy for him to lovebomb her into agreeing with his insanity. I think you are right that I can't help her but I do hope she will eventually get the help she needs and be able to separate from the horrible parasite that has latched itself to her.

 

[Chickenpolar]

sent me a giant wall of text this morning about how all trans people are lovely and valid, and their neo-organs are indistinguishable from natal ones,

Sounds like somebody needs to see some photos of the "indistinguishable" neo-organs.

Sorry about losing your friend.