Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

The only thing that seems more or less unique is the rampant suicide baiting / genocide claims.
The gays did this too. If you weren't already basically an adult in the late 90s/early 2000s it would have been easy to miss, because it was a brief little window of desperate measures before Obama era kicked in and the SCOTUS victories and then the switchover to all troons, all the time. But the whole "it gets better" Dan Savage thing, for instance- there was constant talk about how the gays were gonna kill themselves if we didn't be nice and destroy the entire fabric of our society for them.

I'm in a community that expects all of their children to go to a four year college, preferably an ivy.
I know rich people think being a normie prole is a fate worse than death, but if you have kids, you should probably exit that community before they get assimilated and destroyed by this particular collective.

I know you won't. And I know why you won't- money and status uber alles, being a normie prole is a fate worse than death, husband won't let you etc- so I won't feel sad when your kids succumb. But you seem like a sorta nice person so it was worth a shot. Just think, you could have a happy family life and grandkids and a modest lifestyle. Or you could have a couple of obese, green haired middle aged neurotic "cat mom nongendered parent" harpies ignoring you in your well-appointed memory care facility.
 
I know rich people think being a normie prole is a fate worse than death, but if you have kids, you should probably exit that community before they get assimilated and destroyed by this particular collective.

I know you won't. And I know why you won't- money and status uber alles, being a normie prole is a fate worse than death, husband won't let you etc- so I won't feel sad when your kids succumb. But you seem like a sorta nice person so it was worth a shot. Just think, you could have a happy family life and grandkids and a modest lifestyle. Or you could have a couple of obese, green haired middle aged neurotic "cat mom nongendered parent" harpies ignoring you in your well-appointed memory care facility.
Lol calm down. What the fuck are you doing attacking someone who said they lived in an area like that, not that they were raising children themselves? Take it easy.
 
The gays did this too. If you weren't already basically an adult in the late 90s/early 2000s it would have been easy to miss, because it was a brief little window of desperate measures before Obama era kicked in and the SCOTUS victories and then the switchover to all troons, all the time. But the whole "it gets better" Dan Savage thing, for instance- there was constant talk about how the gays were gonna kill themselves if we didn't be nice and destroy the entire fabric of our society for them.


I know rich people think being a normie prole is a fate worse than death, but if you have kids, you should probably exit that community before they get assimilated and destroyed by this particular collective.

I know you won't. And I know why you won't- money and status uber alles, being a normie prole is a fate worse than death, husband won't let you etc- so I won't feel sad when your kids succumb. But you seem like a sorta nice person so it was worth a shot. Just think, you could have a happy family life and grandkids and a modest lifestyle. Or you could have a couple of obese, green haired middle aged neurotic "cat mom nongendered parent" harpies ignoring you in your well-appointed memory care facility.
Hey now, it's not like I'm posting from a wine tasting party at the governor's mansion. I'm a weird bitch on The Farms. You really think someone with social and political aspirations scrolls through GRS gore between mimosas with the tennis club ladies?
Anyway, the modest lifestyle is how my husband and I are able to have what we have even though both of us have working class jobs. It's amazing how just showing up everyday, making boring investments, and not buying frivolous shit can amass wealth.
But you are right, I'm a sorta nice person.
 
Hey now, it's not like I'm posting from a wine tasting party at the governor's mansion. I'm a weird bitch on The Farms. You really think someone with social and political aspirations scrolls through GRS gore between mimosas with the tennis club ladies?
Anyway, the modest lifestyle is how my husband and I are able to have what we have even though both of us have working class jobs. It's amazing how just showing up everyday, making boring investments, and not buying frivolous shit can amass wealth.
But you are right, I'm a sorta nice person.
Well, think it through though. If you put a pound of meat on the conveyor belt at the sausage factory, what are you going to collect at the other end? If you don't want sausage, keep them off the conveyor.

Too many otherwise critical thinkers still autopiloting the wisdom of 30 years ago. "Move...to...neighborhood...property taxes...good schools...college..." But that whole thing is broken and corrupted beyond any hope of repair.
 
Too many otherwise critical thinkers still autopiloting the wisdom of 30 years ago. "Move...to...neighborhood...property taxes...good schools...college..." But that whole thing is broken and corrupted beyond any hope of repair.
What's a good plan in the meantime if someone shouldn't move to a nice area?
 
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What's a good plan in the meantime if someone shouldn't move to a nice area?
I mean putting your kids in public school is akin to sending them to play on the freeway, psychologically at least. If you HAVE to send your kid to a public school, I'd say go somewhere that isn't "nice" and isn't ghetto enough to be scary and hope for the best. This shit really is everywhere, it's breathtaking how fast it has spread, but you're out of the frying pan and into the fire if you dump your kid off at the door of a place full of the upper middle class twits' progeny. Look at Loudoun. It's the "nice neighborhood" morons who are driving us off this cliff. All the effete globohomo middle managers, the doctors, the lawyers, the indeterminate variety of brown NGO director she/ella.

It has infested everything and everywhere, but the social pressure is going to be so much worse for a kid going to school where everyone is supposed to go to an Ivy. Especially if we're talking about an actual lower middle class white kid whose parents just want them to break into that bracket, not a scholarship-friendly brown exotic or actual elite.
 
I've noticed an overabundance of MtM Troons in the field of digital music production, whether as a profession or a hobby. This is at odds with the fact that fewer women tend to produce music electronically, and even fewer do so professionally. And the ones who do tend to do so on synthesizers, not on computer software, and tend to stick to tried-and-true sounds (such as realistic pianos or 80s-style synths) instead of anything that blurs the line between music and noise.

But I think it makes sense psychologically.

Consider the human voice. Women's voices don't break nearly as much during puberty, so their singing tones generally remain pleasant during this awkward transition – meaning that teenage girls tend to keep singing if they are musical during this period. Men's voices, on the other hand, resemble geese during this time – which may drive them away from singing, and perhaps towards playing electric instruments if one is still musically inclined.

But even after this awkward phase is done, MtM's still have the dysphoria, and many of them, being autistic, lack the coordination to make an axe scream with sexy fire.

I think as an instrument, the computer is almost the opposite of the voice. Both instruments have two things in common: (1) neither is purpose-built as an instrument, but rather a tool that most people have at their disposal, and (2) they can produce a wide variety of sounds. However, the difference lies in both biology and individual capacity. A sufficiently powerful computer will run any software synth capable of playing back samples and/or generating new tones from math, and a great operator can make their own sounds that exist nowhere in nature – and while piano skills can help, they are far from necessary. With the voice, you get what you get and you don't throw a fit, and people who grew up speaking the same language are more-or-less limited to the same basic "presets", though with vastly different qualities that allow a good listener to infer information about the interlocutor.

Electronic music (as a medium overall, not the genre commonly called "techno") in all its variants has thrived in Internet culture, with a similar emphasis on micro-labeling to gender politics. Many of these styles almost completely throw out traditional conceptions of music. I think the Ben Shapiro controversy about rap is overblown since the inflections of a rapper can be thought of as a loose melody, but between harsh noise (which sounds nearly identical to a radio with shit reception) and vaporwave (a nebulous take on 80s synth instrumentals with varying degrees of originality), it seems like this medium appeals to boundary pushers. Obviously, it appeals to introverted computer nerds, as well as autistics who struggle with motor skills and therefore do better approaching recreational noisemaking as a sensory chain reaction, not a performing art.

The fact that the dominant pop style has been digital for so long has perhaps attracted a lot of trans-identified males because of its shallow feminine exterior, yet the style is ultimately rigid, harsh, and loud. Cis women who actually use the software, and don't just sing into it, tend to have mellower styles.

Cis women's ears are on average twice as sensitive (which is often reported as a 3-decibel difference) to sound, and also tend to perceive sound as "loud" at a lower threshold than men. This boost is higher in the highs, so anything buzzy, screechy, harsh, overly electronic, high-pitched or metallic will generally be more annoying for women than for men. (though this doesn't explain why so many women make and watch ASMR content... though those sounds tend to be natural) I've noticed that women who are fans of pop tend to describe it as somewhat hard-hitting, while men almost speak of it as if it were easy listening.

Expanding on this, the emotions conveyed by edm tend to be more ambiguous than those conveyed by say, cinematic music. In cinematic music, there are happy and sad sounds, etc., that have clear associations with the plot of the movie. But if you look in a forum of people who don't like dubstep, for example, they can't agree on whether it's too aggressive or completely devoid of any emotion at all. Synthesizers, being a recent invention, are so ambiguous. This seems like it would appeal to sensory autistics, who don't want to feel deep-seated empathy – they're just trying to make their little axons spark with joy.

Let's expand on this even further : I think women have a higher prerogative for perceiving sound objectively, that is, as a way of recognizing physical phenomenon and/or messages that convey information. Yelling can lead to violence. Even the quiet sound of a doorknob across the house can spell danger. The philosophy of electronic music, which is roughly equivalent to a cartoon consisting of colored shapes and flashing lights devoid of characters or plot points, is at odds with this survival mechanism.
 
I'm in a community that expects all of their children to go to a four year college, preferably an ivy. Now let me tell you, a lot of these kids are indeed pretty smart and capable. But the vast majority are average and a small handful are incredibly stupid and of poor character. They and their parents treat primary and secondary education as a game. They are trying to max out stats on paper rather than being rational about what kind of person their kids are. They boast about harassing teachers about grades, they do not care if their kid actually knows anything or can do any work. "My child needs an A to be competitive at XYZ university, and his World History teacher is getting in the way."

Late teens/adults: trans is the new "valid bisexual in a straight relationship"
Middle teens: trans is the new emo/goth
Kids: trans is the new Indigo Children

I don't know if anyone is still talking about Indigo Children in this day and age, but I wonder if it would help wake up people in the lifelong ed biz to remind them about it.
 
Late teens/adults: trans is the new "valid bisexual in a straight relationship"
Middle teens: trans is the new emo/goth
Kids: trans is the new Indigo Children

I don't know if anyone is still talking about Indigo Children in this day and age, but I wonder if it would help wake up people in the lifelong ed biz to remind them about it.
It's a decent analogy. But the kind of empty-brained followers who inhabit these prestige enclaves won't be turned off troonery by it, because they never developed the critical thinking skills to realize "indigo children" was bullshit. It isn't likely to happen, but a revival of the "indigo" fad is more likely than the comparison successfully turning them away from troonism.
 
There’s something inherently disturbing about trans people. It has something to do with seeing otherwise normal, or even beautiful people disfiguring or mutilating themselves. It bothers me when beautiful things are ruined on purpose.

Edit: to clarify, some of them are just unfortunately average to kind of ugly and they make themselves worse. Same idea.
 
I think having language that clearly reflects biological reality might be beneficial. I'm starting to think that not acknowledging it can be a form of mass psychosis.

Farsi lacks gendered pronouns, yet Iran has a high rate of violence against women.

I think being mindful of your he's and she's can make you mindful of the distinction of men and women. I think it helps us realize that we have different backgrounds, different upbringings, and different biology. If a woman had a man's metabolism, she'd likely have a disorder. In fact, I think it's impossible for someone to both medically transition, as they say, and also be in an ideal state of health, almost by definition.

I also think the decline in health among Americans has made it easy for troons to pass in public to some easily fooled people. It's not uncommon for women to have the appearance of broad shoulders from weight gain, and the rise of vocal fry means women are using lower registers than ever when talking. Screens and digital music have degraded sight and hearing, and a multicultural society means people aren't used to only being around people of similar proportions.

Overall, the growing loss of clarity has been leading to less mindfulness. I think it coincides with the "consenting adults = ok" permissiveness in the pornography industry, as well as the gradual eradication of gendered language.

I think mentioning gender can serve as a shibboleth; it can help parents suss out lies and keep their kids safe; it will provide surgeons visceral knowledge of which model they're operating on; it can allow people to assess the safety of a situation; it can even make discussing the vast majority of couples in this world easier. It increases gender mindfulness and awareness of the "harsh reality" that was once almost unstated truth:

MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT

Whether these differences are biological, chemical, psychosocial, universal, or generalized is besides the point. There are differences.

I think a lot of the new linguistic prescriptions made by these groups destabilize so much of what was taught as etiquette. A good chunk of the country was brought up on chivalry. These people might not know what to do in these situations. Sir and ma'am, which were once polite or even expected in many circles, are now avoided on strangers. Yes, singular they has a long history, and it was once considered benign by linguists until Anne Fisher's prescription (which to be fair, does make plurality less ambiguous). But what these people leave out is that for most of its history, it was used to refer to unspecified people. Such as "someone lost their textbook". It might feel strange for someone to want to be referred to as an anonymous, almost accusative pronoun. And English teachers who have been trying to get students out of the habit, often just going by what the dictionaries and textbooks say, are now being told that they are being incorrect.

A lot of scientific research might be of lower quality. Gender statistics might be dishonest, and the terms "AMAB" and "AFAB" may be confusing to older researchers. Even more confusing in papers is "trans man/woman". Today, the general consensus is to use "identity", but studies are inconsistent. And "cis man" generally excludes "trans woman", though it can also mean any biological male person.

I also think it is ironic that so many "Trans women" (including myself) have autism, and that autistic brains are generally more masculine than average members of their assigned gender. But neuroscience aside, how can anyone know what it's like to be the opposite gender? What if my red is less intense than a woman's red, or opening a car door is equivalent to me opening a large walk-in freezer door? What if half my playlist would sound like a couple having an argument with the garbage disposal on and a teenage boy screaming from chafing his skin with an electric shaver, all while a little tike beats on pots and pans? Aren't I just straight, too? In all honesty, I think if I wasn't exposed to secularism, I would have been fine (since the expectation that you will always be very different from your partner will be just a fact). But I do have dysphoria.

But I will never know what it's like to have a period, and I don't know how to respond to someone who is under the assumption that I do have one.

I think pronoun subjectivity can actually be a sort of sapir-wharf manipulation trick.

"She is going to the ladies' room"
Okay... (she's gonna pee, or maybe poop.... BFD.... I'll forget this interaction)
"He is going to the ladies' room"
Lock the main door, ladies!
 
There’s something inherently disturbing about trans people. It has something to do with seeing otherwise normal, or even beautiful people disfiguring or mutilating themselves. It bothers me when beautiful things are ruined on purpose.

Edit: to clarify, some of them are just unfortunately average to kind of ugly and they make themselves worse. Same idea.
I get this. There's this FTM cashier I see all the time. She wasn't some stunning beauty before, but just a nice all-American girl. Seeing her bloat up and grow a beard makes me feel nauseous. It was all so unnecessary. And now what? What next, in the let's say optimistically 50ish years she gets to wander around this planet? Once you've torn up your healthy body and your ability to make a next generation, and already you're working a soulless dead end job, what is there to look forwards to?
 
I get this. There's this FTM cashier I see all the time. She wasn't some stunning beauty before, but just a nice all-American girl. Seeing her bloat up and grow a beard makes me feel nauseous. It was all so unnecessary. And now what? What next, in the let's say optimistically 50ish years she gets to wander around this planet? Once you've torn up your healthy body and your ability to make a next generation, and already you're working a soulless dead end job, what is there to look forwards to?
She can be a girlboss you fucking misogynist
 
Leftists did absolutely enable this, and now we pay the ultimate price by having troon ideology stink up every otherwise rational conversation. Whoops.

Troonism could not work better as a poison that infects and kills off every leftist space and ideal if it had been created by John Foster Dulles in a lab.

I think the trans rights stuff gained a foothold because of 'geek social fallacies' in the left - when it became all about inclusion for inclusion's sake rather than fighting for specific political gains.

Fucking yes. You can see it in all their whining Twitter responses to anyone who calls out any aspect of trans ideology: "Why can't you just let people live?" "How does it affect you?" "Just let them be happy, it doesn't hurt you!"

By this point they know it fucking hurts people, they have been told for years specifically how it hurts people. They just think it's a worthier and more noble goal to turn a blind eye and avoid conflict at all costs.
 
You can see it in all their whining Twitter responses to anyone who calls out any aspect of trans ideology: "Why can't you just let people live?" "How does it affect you?" "Just let them be happy, it doesn't hurt you!"

It's strange when troons claim they're "not hurting anyone" as if they get to be the authority on what does and doesn't hurt people. If women are hurt by having men invade their spaces, or kids are hurt by having gender ideology foisted upon them at a young age, they should just get over it, I guess. After all, that's nothing compared to the suffering that those poor poor trans people have literally no choice but to endure. Shows an inability to see things from the perspective of others.

Live and let live doesn't even make sense coming from trannies because they're obsessed with forcing other people into their own beliefs. If you instead believe that sex is an immutable characteristic and refer to them as such, "live and let live" all of a sudden doesn't apply anymore, no matter how polite you are about it. It's another slogan they borrowed from gay people to appeal to progressives despite the fact that it directly contradicts their own ideals.
 
This made me MATI, Hobbes on the St Louis Transgender Center "investigating" itself and saying everything is fine
. Reminder that years of panicked coverage about minors being rushed into transition have not produced a single confirmed case of a minor being rushed into transition. A very "get fucked" to everyone who fell for this.
link (archive)

Most criticism about youth transition is that it is butchery with no evidence it improves patient's lives, not that it is just "rushed". But I guess "not rushed" is easier to defend.

Just yesterday there was that story of the 2016 Dutch MTF who died because puberty blockers left them with a penis too small to Frankenstein into a fake vagina. How is that not rushed?

Fuck Michael Hobbes. You can understand ghouls like Tony Reed and Big Al Callabello supporting this butchery because they have to justify their penis chopping to themselves every time they dilate. Hobbes has no skin in the game to drive him to such delusions.
 
Nobody I can really ask in real life about this, but there's a lesbian who for some reason is a big fan of drag and loved Manhunt (yeah the TERF incest/rape fantasy by Falkner-Martin). Otherwise likes to learn about cults and feminism.

How hasn't she connected the dots?
Perhaps because not all gay women are anti-troon? The largest support base for troonism is feminist/gay women. The handful of outcasts we get here on the farms bitching about TIMs isn't indicative of wider anti-troon community belief. Otherwise they wouldn't be here on the farms.

It explains the whole of it. I just have to roll my eyes every time I see one of them muse that autogynephilia is "just the natural thing male sexuality does without society restraining it" untrammeled by feminist dogma. They've always believed disgusting hateful shit like this. AGP is the natural state of male sexuality guys.
The ironic part is that belief of theirs justifies troonism more than it discredits it. If personal mental desire is enough justification for homosexuality and that denying gay rights is oppression. Than denying troonism is oppression on the same bases. As it's natural and according to the troons, not a choice.
 
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