Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

So I picked up SW Bounty Hunter on a whim this weekend, it's something I've wanted to play for years and just never gotten to.

God damn is it nice to actually consume some media that feels like actual SW and not shit with Jon Williams music pasted on top.

Sure it's a bit janky given that it's from the PS2/GC era but the gameplay is *fun*, Jango feels like a badass - especially after he gets his jetpack, and it just feels like they actually cared about putting out something of quality.

Though I'll admit hearing Tress MCNeille's voice (who does Simpsons voices) kind of takes me out of it a bit. Does make me chuckle a bit when I picture Simpsons characters in her place.

Both it and Republic Commando were in-house Lucasarts games. They did it on their own. And of course, both can be challenging. And yes, both had Temuera Morrison as the player character, so it's very fun and very true to Morrison's Jango persona.

Protip: third level (the prison) the enemy will mob you with hordes of attackers. Fourth level (Malastare) is going to be really challenging with the sniping and the animals that will claw at you. The middle part of the Tatooine is going to be a bitch and will need several playthroughs if you're new to it to get through, what with all the flying and the enemy snipers. The final level, well, watch out for snipers and always have your flamethrower ready to eradicate hordes of melee fighters.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Both it and Republic Commando were in-house Lucasarts games. They did it on their own. And of course, both can be challenging. And yes, both had Temuera Morrison as the player character, so it's very fun and very true to Morrison's Jango persona.

Protip: third level (the prison) the enemy will mob you with hordes of attackers. Fourth level (Malastare) is going to be really challenging with the sniping and the animals that will claw at you. The middle part of the Tatooine is going to be a bitch and will need several playthroughs if you're new to it to get through, what with all the flying and the enemy snipers. The final level, well, watch out for snipers and always have your flamethrower ready to eradicate hordes of melee fighters.

Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind. I've played Republic Commando, it's great.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind. I've played Republic Commando, it's great.

Bounty Hunter is one of those games that like Republic Commando, can get very challenging. It did come out in a time when challenging games were the norm, from Smash Bros. Melee to Halo 2. So do expect some casualties along the way, and don't let that dissuade you from beating the game. Just when you think you're about to give up, you'll find your way through. God knows that's how I got through the Tatooine level's second part.

Although for my money, the best levels are the Coruscant levels and the last level on that moon of Bogden. The former for its aesthetics and getting you pumped up to take down tons of idiots, and the latter for the challenge.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Bounty Hunter is one of those games that like Republic Commando, can get very challenging. It did come out in a time when challenging games were the norm, from Smash Bros. Melee to Halo 2. So do expect some casualties along the way, and don't let that dissuade you from beating the game. Just when you think you're about to give up, you'll find your way through. God knows that's how I got through the Tatooine level's second part.

Although for my money, the best levels are the Coruscant levels and the last level on that moon of Bogden. The former for its aesthetics and getting you pumped up to take down tons of idiots, and the latter for the challenge.

I'm on Coruscant now. Mostly the challenge has been figuring out where the hell I'm supposed to go.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'm on Coruscant now. Mostly the challenge has been figuring out where the hell I'm supposed to go.

Which Coruscant level? The nighttime city one? Just keep exploring until you find the crack-dealing dork that you're supposed to catch.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Which Coruscant level? The nighttime city one? Just keep exploring until you find the crack-dealing dork that you're supposed to catch.

Yeah, it's that one.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah, it's that one.

Scan any dancing twi'leks you might find. I know one of them is an escaped slave. Keep an eye out for individuals standing away from crowds. They're likely bounties that can be caught.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Scan any dancing twi'leks you might find. I know one of them is an escaped slave. Keep an eye out for individuals standing away from crowds. They're likely bounties that can be caught.

I caught 4 or 5

 

[Grave Ghost]

You'd think if Lucasfilm wanted to earn some of the old fans back they'd do something like port older games that never got a PC release to Steam. I know that Rouge Squadron or Mercenaries 1 would be at least somewhat successful.

 

[Male Idiot]

The Jedi power level debacle was bad. But such things happen with bad quality control, the Jedi and Horus Heresy books did it a lot.

As to Space marines, they are busy and work in at least 5 man groups, so they actually have a rarer presence. More wars in Warhammer. So those marines aren't going around in pairs or trios.

Most planets in SW are peaceful so I doubt they would see a Jedi ever.

Lana is a better Sith waifu. She is pragmatic, cold, loyal and dependable, which are rare traits in your Darth Blondie.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You'd think if Lucasfilm wanted to earn some of the old fans back they'd do something like port older games that never got a PC release to Steam. I know that Rouge Squadron or Mercenaries 1 would be at least somewhat successful.

I'd fucking kill for a modern re-release of the Rogue Squadron Trilogy.

The Jedi power level debacle was bad. But such things happen with bad quality control, the Jedi and Horus Heresy books did it a lot.

That problem was exacerbated by authors with dueling intentions. James Luceno wanted Jaina Solo to marry Jagged Fel, Troy Denning did not. Karen Traviss wanted to depict the Jedi as being weak enough that Mandos can take them down due to her Mando-fetish, whereas other books by other authors like say, Matt Stover and his EP3 novelization, portrayed the Jedi as being so fast that it'd be downright impossible for a Mando to even catch up to one, let alone hurt one.

This is why you need people to tard-wrangle authors who don't necessarily play well with each other. Otherwise, they do stupid shit like killing off Mara Jade without telling the guy who created her, especially when the man was preparing a novel about her.

Most planets in SW are peaceful so I doubt they would see a Jedi ever.

Most SW worlds see the Jedi in the same vein we see Arthurian knights, and they rarely, if ever, saw a Jedi.

Lana is a better Sith waifu. She is pragmatic, cold, loyal and dependable, which are rare traits in your Darth Blondie.

Lana's a Jedi in Sith clothing. If she defected to Satele's Jedi Order, I doubt much would change outside of her just chanting the Jedi mantras now and then.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Don't put it in the padawan you can corrupt as the Sith warrior. Girl is crayze swayze. And I like crazy.

You're all wrong, anyway. The best SWTOR Romance option is obviously Khem Val. You seen that tongue?

Lana's a Jedi in Sith clothing. If she defected to Satele's Jedi Order, I doubt much would change outside of her just chanting the Jedi mantras now and then.

That's giving Lana too much credit, she's just a doormat designed to cheer everything and anything the player does.

 

[Miller]

If Boyega comes back for the Rey movie that means Finn is not the father.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Sure it's a bit janky given that it's from the PS2/GC era but the gameplay is *fun*, Jango feels like a badass - especially after he gets his jetpack, and it just feels like they actually cared about putting out something of quality.

Bounty Hunter has an interesting developer lineage, since it was spearheaded by Jon Knoles, who was also the director and design lead on the Super Star Wars games, as well as Shadows of the Empire. I bring that up because Knoles is remarkably candid in interviews about the challenges of developing Shadows as essentially the first high-profile 3D game set in the Star Wars universe that his team had to develop, with him admitting that they were extremely ambitious with that game, and many of its more infamously difficult gameplay aspects stem from LucasArts struggling to convert their design mentality to a 3D console engine.

You can see glimpses of the Shadows-era jank in Bounty Hunter, but it's also extremely apparent that Knoles and the devs finally found their mojo, given how much smoother and more efficient Jango controls in comparison to Dash Rendar.

 

[Male Idiot]

Lana definately fits the Dooku style gets things done falls to darkside Jedi, without going through the motions.

I like a pretty girl that cheers on and acts nice. I am weird like that.

Warhammer just has problems with continuity, but it is seldom "nuh uh, I hate your Inquisitor, Marion Jade, gonna kill him off by my epic Chaos Oc, Darph Edgus!" unless it is ABL. Or is he ADL?

Star Wars also has the movies as a rather firm standpoint. Like if all Sith can fly, why didn't Palpatine fly out of that shaft?

You can't make them too OP to the point that it invalidates what they do in the movies. Swtor and previous eras can at least say "It was the dark age of Forcenology. So much has been lost, never to be re-learned..."

But with characters on screen, you got to be really careful. Traviss also did most of what she did as autistically as she could.

Would exploring how Jedi react to basically order made human beings as meatshields is an interesting concept.

Traviss instead reeed "dem jedi be nazi cult reee"

 

[SamTheEagle]

Carrying on the Luke conversation, I've been thinking lately about Luke's development in the trilogy. It's been a while since I last watched Empire, but the epilogue sticks out to me. Luke's found out his father's the great evil of the galaxy, that his idol lied to him, and he's suffered a thorough defeat. The Rebellion's been fucked over, Han's captive, and the only bright point is that the rest of the heroes managed to escape by the skin of their teeth.

And then we see Luke getting his hand reattached. In the middle of it, he's confidently relaying info and giving orders. Luke's still the optimist he always was, but he's a man now. He's holding onto his belief that things can be better, but more importantly, he understands that he has to go out and make it happen.
Luke's been my hero since childhood, and I suspect he always will be.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Carrying on the Luke conversation, I've been thinking lately about Luke's development in the trilogy. It's been a while since I last watched Empire, but the epilogue sticks out to me. Luke's found out his father's the great evil of the galaxy, that his idol lied to him, and he's suffered a thorough defeat. The Rebellion's been fucked over, Han's captive, and the only bright point is that the rest of the heroes managed to escape by the skin of their teeth.
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And then we see Luke getting his hand reattached. In the middle of it, he's confidently relaying info and giving orders. Luke's still the optimist he always was, but he's a man now. He's holding onto his belief that things can be better, but more importantly, he understands that he has to go out and make it happen.
Luke's been my hero since childhood, and I suspect he always will be.

It really says something about Luke that after getting his hand re-attached, the very first thing he does with it is to put it on Leia's shoulder to reassure her in a moment of low spirits.

 

[Jewthulhu]

Both it and Republic Commando were in-house Lucasarts games. They did it on their own. And of course, both can be challenging. And yes, both had Temuera Morrison as the player character, so it's very fun and very true to Morrison's Jango persona.

Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind. I've played Republic Commando, it's great.

Republic Commando was my favorite Star Wars game and still is probably one of the best things to come out of the clone wars.
It's one of those games where I'd love a sequel/remake but really don't because I know it'll get fubar'd by EA or whoever.

 

[draggs]

Re: power levels, I did like at the end of NJO how Luke just went Super Force Saiyan/Force Hulked up/whatever. Luke's power level fluctuated a lot in the EU because reasons everyone has already gone into, but it was nice to see a kind of culmination for him as he takes hundreds of elite Vong warriors + the Slayers + Shimrra to the corner of Know Your Role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and checks their asses into the Smackdown Hotel (yeah sure Jaina and Jacen helped and Jacen went Super Force Saiyan too to beat Onimi, whatever. Luke's moment was better). Unifying Force/Living Force/whatever the fuck that autism was aside

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Lana definately fits the Dooku style gets things done falls to darkside Jedi, without going through the motions.

She and Dooku give me Grey Jedi vibes more. We never see them have the Dark Side skin condition or have the evil Sith eyes, and they're more realpolitik 90% of the time as opposed to kicking the dog to outer space like most KOTOR-era Sith do.

I like a pretty girl that cheers on and acts nice. I am weird like that.

That's not weird, that's normal.

Warhammer just has problems with continuity, but it is seldom "nuh uh, I hate your Inquisitor, Marion Jade, gonna kill him off by my epic Chaos Oc, Darph Edgus!" unless it is ABL. Or is he ADL?

At least with Warhammer, they just openly admit that there is no canon, so each author is free to do as they will, and the fans are free to make their own canon based on which books they like. With Star Wars, especially the old EU, there was a canon, hence why people who got pissed off at NJO or LOTF gave up reading books because those books were irreversibly canon. The only works that did get retconned outside of some early EU stuff were the Clone Wars stuff because of TCW. But the rest of the books were still canon until Disney said otherwise.

Star Wars also has the movies as a rather firm standpoint. Like if all Sith can fly, why didn't Palpatine fly out of that shaft?

I reckon their excuse was that he spent too much energy on battle meditation and frying Luke so that he didn't have enough to lift himself out of the shaft.

You can't make them too OP to the point that it invalidates what they do in the movies. Swtor and previous eras can at least say "It was the dark age of Forcenology. So much has been lost, never to be re-learned..."

Exactly. There was a Dark Age in between the KOTOR/SWTOR era and the movies, during the time of Darth Bane.

But with characters on screen, you got to be really careful. Traviss also did most of what she did as autistically as she could.

But nothing she could do could reverse the fact that Jango and Boba got defeated rather easily by the good guys. Which kind of explains her need to over-compensate, by not only making the Mandos better fighters, but also giving them the moral high ground.

Would exploring how Jedi react to basically order made human beings as meatshields is an interesting concept.

Some Jedi didn't approve. Rahm Kota certainly never did, since despite the fact that he was a military genius, he'd rather cobble together his own army from local sector forces, raw recruits, and even Separatist POWs rather than have a single clone in his unit.

Traviss instead reeed "dem jedi be nazi cult reee"

Which is why people who aren't Karen Traviss fans tend to laugh or cry at her novels. The former just discount them and memory-hole them, the latter are pissed that her books became a part of the SW canon back then.

Republic Commando was my favorite Star Wars game and still is probably one of the best things to come out of the clone wars.
It's one of those games where I'd love a sequel/remake but really don't because I know it'll get fubar'd by EA or whoever.

I can see them making the sequel far easier and more focused on spectacle rather than strategic gameplay.