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I think Vader may have implied more than a sheer explosive power.

Sith in the ancient era did planetkills, like Naga Sadow, Nihilus and Vitiate, but it was usually a very rare one off.

I think it's highly unlikely that the writers of Star Wars in 1977 were not planning to explain Darth Vader's line in the beginning of the movie until the launch of comic books in the 1990s, or video games in the 2000s, especially since the Atari VCS was not even in stores during the filming of Star Wars, let alone plans for an Xbox game or MMO.

It's far more likely that the opening foreshadowing of a movie is pointing at the end of the movie, not something yet to be released for 20 years, let alone something intimately tied to technology nobody had imagined yet.

My point exactly. There's Battle Meditation, mind-melding, and LIVING FOREVER.

No, there wasn't. None of that was in Star Wars in 1977. I like how you keep writing essay length posts that are all built on the assumption that decades later, tie-in novels, comic books, and Xbox games were all being foreshadowed by lines in a 1977 movie, and the scenes in the movie itself are all purely incidental - in fact, by your telling, Star Wars is an incoherent mess of a film, and nothing in it really makes sense until it got contextualized by the Xbox 25 years later.
 
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The kid who played Boba in AOTC should have played adult Boba, who's like 45 or something according to the canon. A man in his 60s should never be playing a character so much younger; it's just not believable. Like Tom Cruise in The Mummy.

Splinter of the Mind's Eye has me wondering what would have happened if Star Wars was only a modest success. Would he have adapted the book into a cheaper movie? Would ROTJ been a dimension hopping adventure where Luke gets stranded on Earth like in Masters of the Universe and has to fight Vader with the help of some totally tubular Earth teens?

Part of Alan Dean Foster's contract for writing the adaptation of Star Wars was to come up with a second Star Wars story that could be adapted in case the first movie was only a modest success. That's why Han Solo is not in the book - Harrison Ford had not signed on for sequels and Lucas wasn't sure he could get him back. I believe there was supposed to a third book, although I don't know if Alan Dean Foster ever came up with any ideas for it.
 
Splinter of the Mind's Eye is where slave Leia and Luke/Vader getting amputations comes from. Luke and Leia have a frenly flirty mud wrasslin match, Leia's clothes get a little ahem disarranged, some Imps notice, so Luke says she's his slave to keep them from gang raping her. Luke then cuts off Vader's arm later. Good stuff
 
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No, what I meant is that Vader would have said that a well placed Force user is more valuable then the power to blow up a planet.

Sheer explosive power is not the only way to be strong. Even if the Force generally can't blow a planet up, a stronger weapon may not always beat a flexible one.

Video games with only bigger numbers make this assumption. A hammer vs a swiss army knife.

What we need to consider is storytelling. Space marines can get away with being hyperstrong, because they are used against foils like demons and Chaos marines.
You don't hear stories about Captain Sicarius and his catty band of Ultramarines curb stomping 50 rebel cultists.

This works in older SW material where Sith and Jedi can do this and be a foil to each other. They can be stronger because there is balance.

With newer era, Jedi can't be this strong, as there is simply nothing against them. It would make the story go Disney into a plot hole. From a story writing perspective it becomes a problem.

Qui-gon and Obiwan were not Supermans, neither was Luke in the movies. Current era Star Wars has to conform to that.

So if you make a side story about how Knight Kungfu took down 5000 clones, it makes the movies invalid.

You can't really make your heroes look like total doofuses who were the most weak or incompetent Jedi ever. It breaks the story, or at least blue milks the big named characters.

It is why the Holdo manoever caused so many youtube critic rants.
Star Wars needs to keep the normies keeping their suspension of disbelief.

Sure, this may mean Luke is weaker than Goku or Titus. But strength is not what makes a good character, or Sword Art Online would be known as the next Shakespeare.

Luke didn't have that many fans as he did because he could levitate 50 tons instead of only 5 like that virgin Ron Weasley.

Writers who want a paycheck and make their book the epic le super finale with a giant epic spell move end up one upping one another until it gets silly.

If sheer power was what made a good hero, Rey would be the most popular movie character.

Of course, an avid fan can ask why didn't more people use X against the Jedi, if they were fallible.

Well, Sith Troopers had disruptors that did just that.

But after that, the Jedi were cops. Is Raytheon going around researching and marketing the Copkiller 5000?
Most anti-Jedi tricks were small scale and it makes sense. Grieveous could have his Magnaguards made, mandos could make custom guns.

But would any big company go into the legal trouble of making anti-Jedi guns, when such Jedi were law enforcement for millenia?

You also don't want your Jedi to be too strong as to make the rest of the gang useless. If you make Luke too strong, for example, then Chewie and Han become less useful.

Plus it closes off story avenues. Jedi are not just warmachines, they need to be able to be used for diplomatic and covert stories.

Quigon and Obi come to mind again. But imagine, a story about a Jedi fighting a drug syndicate or a pirate gang. If all the other Jedi are so strong, and he struggles against pirates, he comes off as a goof.

Kirk never had to beat Superman in skyscraper tossing to save a planet.

That does not make him less of hero.
 
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I think it's highly unlikely that the writers of Star Wars in 1977 were not planning to explain Darth Vader's line in the beginning of the movie until the launch of comic books in the 1990s, or video games in the 2000s, especially since the Atari VCS was not even in stores during the filming of Star Wars, let alone plans for an Xbox game or MMO.
No, they were writing about a story that had a mythical past and future which they planned to explore if this film went anywhere. If it didn't, well, they'd just throw it away, make the Alan Dean Foster novel into a movie to recoup some losses, and walk away.

No, there wasn't. None of that was in Star Wars in 1977. I like how you keep writing essay length posts that are all built on the assumption that decades later, tie-in novels, comic books, and Xbox games were all being foreshadowed by lines in a 1977 movie, and the scenes in the movie itself are all purely incidental - in fact, by your telling, Star Wars is an incoherent mess of a film, and nothing in it really makes sense until it got contextualized by the Xbox 25 years later.
False. What Vader meant was that what we do see of the Force in the film is just a small taste of it-which, if taken from a religious context, (Lucas is Buddhist-Methodist) is akin to saying that the miracles we see from things like the Bible are just a small taste of God's omnipotent power. Which, given that the first movie is again, just the story of David vs. Goliath in space, makes perfect sense.

And again, the OP shit came not from Xbox games, but from the comics and novels that came out not too long after the OT was finished. The major storyline after ROTJ was the Thrawn Trilogy of novels, which introduced Battle Meditation, one of the OP powers I was talking about. Right after that came Dark Empire, a comic series which introduced the Emperor possessing clones with Essence Transfer and destroying fleets with Force Storms. Then right after that, we had Tales of the Jedi, a comic series which had the Sith doing things like projecting large armies of illusions and blowing up star systems.

NONE OF THESE THINGS CAME FROM THE VIDEO GAMES. I just love how you keep going back to "hurr durr video games" when the OP Force powers didn't even come from there-they came from the novels and comics which were the early Expanded Universe works. This wasn't like Legacy of the Force or Republic Commando where Lucas barely cared by that point since his focus was on the Prequels, this was early in the Expanded Universe where they still had to check off with him on their ideas and concepts.

The Thrawn Trilogy was the first major EU work that picked up the story after Return of the Jedi-billed as the official continuation of the story Lucas wrote in the OT. Then right after the Thrawn Trilogy, came Dark Empire, a comic series Lucas had direct involvement with, seeing as how they originally just wanted a Vader impostor using superweapons, but Lucas canceled that plan and told them to use the Emperor. Then you had Lucas green-lighting the Tales of the Jedi comics, which again, had the Sith using OP Force powers. Again, it's not from the games, but rather, from the books-books that Lucas personally approved of or even got involved in, meaning that OP Force powers were a part of his vision.

The most you can do in the video games is pull off Prequel-style things like jump real high, move real fast, or douse someone with lightning. Which, obviously Lucas WAS a fan of that stuff, since he put that stuff in the Prequel movies.

Like it or not, Lucas IS the heart of Star Wars. And he approved of OP Force powers in the novels and comics which comprised the early parts of the SWEU when it first started to get off the ground. Meaning that what Vader told that admiral was literally proven to be true in the early run of the SWEU. Vader wasn't being metaphorical, and Lucas proved that in the major works he approved of to continue the story after ROTJ came out. Next thing you'll tell me is that Lucas doesn't know shit about the Force and it's actually someone else's idea that Lucas just mangled.

I just love it when people have their own fanboy vision of things from Star Wars like the Force and insist that the creator of the story knows nothing about it.
 
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They've been kinda woke from the start. The Imperium is a "satire" of all the right-wing tropes of military authority and religion, except like Rorshach from Watchmen, they became more popular, so some authors started writing them as the good guys or the lesser evil.

We've been over this before you with.
One libtard, who was not long after fired, single mindedly attempting to work in every limpwrist burn he can to own the Thatcherites does not mean the imperium was intended to be Right-Wing satire.

This is dumber than referencing Travis' body of work and saying "see? The Mandos were always intended to be better than the Jedi" and she at least wrote multiple books instead of that faggot who was one of many contributors to a single one.
 
We've been over this before you with.
One libtard, who was not long after fired, single mindedly attempting to work in every limpwrist burn he can to own the Thatcherites does not mean the imperium was intended to be Right-Wing satire.

This is dumber than referencing Travis' body of work and saying "see? The Mandos were always intended to be better than the Jedi" and she at least wrote multiple books instead of that faggot who was one of many contributors to a single one.
He got fired and replaced because selling Space Marines as heroes was far more lucrative than the original story's intent. It's like if Lucas and the early EU writers all got fired and replaced by writers who portrayed the Mandos and the Empire as noble and the Jedi as evil because the toys for Imperial characters were selling better.
 
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Splinter of the Mind's Eye was supposed to be a sequel of Star Wars flopped in 1977. That’s one of the reason’s why Fox let George keep the sequel rights because they thought it was going to suck.

Had the film flopped, I don’t think Fox wouldn’t have cared how Splinter of the Mind's Eye do because they had no obligation to make it with George. They would have went on with their day.
 
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I'm finishing my first ever playthrough of kotor. Just want to say the mandolorians in this game would skin the disney ones and use them as bath rugs, also listening to the great character writing makes me so depressed because it reminded me that I'm supposed to like star wars.
 
I'm finishing my first ever playthrough of kotor. Just want to say the mandolorians in this game would skin the disney ones and use them as bath rugs, also listening to the great character writing makes me so depressed because it reminded me that I'm supposed to like star wars.
How long is the timespan between KOTOR and Post-ROTJ? I imagine all the civil wars made even the toughest Mandos soft by comparison to the ancestors.
 
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