Like I've never read the Bible cover to cover. But simply through omosis of existing in a primarily Western Christian culture. I am exposed periodically to biblical verses. And recently, it stands out to me. These are stories or proverbs, that happened in the past. And we are seeing them repeated in the present. Is the Bible not a religious text. But actually a record of the most depraved things humanity is capable of, and of strategies against them?
Is the Bible not actually a religious text. But actually a collection of proverbs and anecdotes to warn humanity of it's own nature?
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Yes, it's a warning and strangely other religions that had no connections still have very similar events as part of their lore. Like the great flood.
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It is a collection of common sense shit. Thou shall not kill. Ain't that fucking common sense?
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Nothing preventing it being both, is there.
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There were floods all over the world. Their are floods today.
Why wouldn't you write about it?
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when we moved to a ag. society then these people had no time on their hands.
They had time to stare at the stars and make a calender or maybe some pyrymids.
Funny how we attribute some mystical power that wasn't there to people that had too much time on their hands.
We've already proven you could build the pyramids with human hands and do amazing things. Why do we denegratge ourselves.
Almost to Mars. Take that deep.
They had time to stare at the stars and make a calender or maybe some pyrymids.
Funny how we attribute some mystical power that wasn't there to people that had too much time on their hands.
We've already proven you could build the pyramids with human hands and do amazing things. Why do we denegratge ourselves.
Almost to Mars. Take that deep.
Interestingly some historians like to co-incide the biblical and other religious texts of the great flood with other scientific records, of the younger Dryas, 13,000 years ago,
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To have a better understanding, you should.
Yeah, there's literally a book called "Proverbs"
History doesn't actually repeat, but it sure does rhyme. I wish you posted examples so I could respond to them individually, but, as a blanket statement, the stories in the Holy Bible you're likely familiar with, such as the Pharisees selling out Christ, the money changers at the Temple, the Sermon on the Mount, and the Crucifixion itself, primarily deal with the same social and political ailments humanity has suffered from since one ape slapped another. These stories deal with corruption, decadence, oppression, violence, and what good people can do to about these things. These teachings apply to anyone in any time period equally.
The Holy Bible is definitely a religious text, and while it does detail a lot of atrocities, that isn't the focal point of it.
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It's both.
Everything works on that dual level, it can be taken literally, or it can be taken as a metaphor for how the human psyche works and what morality works, conveyed through metaphors and parables distilled over who knows how many thousands of years, tens of thousands of years even of trial and error for what makes for a productive, healthy society as opposed to what makes an insane, degenerate society like what we have now.
Hard won lessons after who knows how many societies rose and fell and tried a million different things and the result was boiled down into what we call the Bible today.
This is why regardless of what your personal beliefs are everyone should have a healthy respect for the Bible and take it's lessons seriously.
Everything works on that dual level, it can be taken literally, or it can be taken as a metaphor for how the human psyche works and what morality works, conveyed through metaphors and parables distilled over who knows how many thousands of years, tens of thousands of years even of trial and error for what makes for a productive, healthy society as opposed to what makes an insane, degenerate society like what we have now.
Hard won lessons after who knows how many societies rose and fell and tried a million different things and the result was boiled down into what we call the Bible today.
This is why regardless of what your personal beliefs are everyone should have a healthy respect for the Bible and take it's lessons seriously.
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"A collection of proverbs and anecdotes to warn humanity of its nature" is pretty much an ersatz definition of a religious text anyways. What do you think the Vedas are, or the Analects of Confucius?
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In the era(s) the Bible was written, there was no such thing as a "religious text". That category is a recent invention.
The Bible is the story of God and the world. It's often told through metaphor, but that doesn't mean the underlying thing isn't real. If you're asking whether they were serious about the whole "God" thing, yes, they were. Many of them died for it.
The Bible is the story of God and the world. It's often told through metaphor, but that doesn't mean the underlying thing isn't real. If you're asking whether they were serious about the whole "God" thing, yes, they were. Many of them died for it.
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bro like 80% of the text of the Bible is just allegedly factual reporting of God physically existing and doing shit. a big chunk of the OT is historical account and prophecy, whereas most of the NT is the apostle Paul (who's a bit off his fuckin rocker tbh) writing letters to a bunch of upstart Christian churches and advising them on doctrine. there are some aphorisms and proverbs and various cultural wisdoms or whatever peppered in but they're definitely the minority of the content. also most of them are delivered in the context that the Biblical God is real and exists as the ultimate arbiter of everything. Ecclesiastes is a great example of this - it's ostensibly the philosophical musings of King Solomon, who was the wisest man who ever lived because God made it so. it's a bunch of weirdly nihilistic bitching about how nothing matters because it's all been done before, and his ultimate conclusion is that the purpose of life is to just keep your head down and serve God. it's fairly lean on general wisdom despite the whole premise of the book being the record of the wisest man's search for meaning in life.
one of the Bible's most heroic figures, David, ends up marrying the king's daughter by delivering him a sack of 200 Philistine foreskins. God also frequently orders the Jews to fight total fucking war in his name and demands the violent death of infants and pregnant women in retaliation for disobedience. so if you're going by the Biblical definition of depraved you have to make a bit of an adjustment from modern cultural morality lol.
basically this. all religious texts have the pretense of being a collection of truth and wisdom and virtue, and often include dubious historical accounts of various characters with moral commentary on their actions; the Bible is typical among them.
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Haha hell no there are way worse records of it, and let's take a look at one of the strategies in the Bible
Numbers 5:11-29
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The Test for an Unfaithful Wife
"if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah...
...The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water...
....while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse...
...here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse to enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
Maybe back then it could have some suggestable bitches panicking and having miscarriages (maybe even faithful ones), but it's probably not very effective anymore.
Or they could have caught some bacteria from the filthy ass floor from that time but I don't really know.
When exactly did this "Golden Age" of morality happen? lol
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The Bible isn't a text, it's a collection of texts. Different collections, depending on who you ask.
I don't understand the distinction you're making between "religious text" and "collection of proverbs and anecdotes." "Religious" refers to how something is interpreted or used, not the genre or even the purpose.
I don't understand the distinction you're making between "religious text" and "collection of proverbs and anecdotes." "Religious" refers to how something is interpreted or used, not the genre or even the purpose.
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Some remarks:
- The ancestral sin bullshit is there to make humans subservient added in later and it's not the message of the bible and it's bullshit
- God is a outdated attempt to attribute human elements to forces of nature, or try to explain forces of nature
- None of the events actually happened (the flood, Jesus stuff) and are actually retelling of old myths and legends
- It has no more religious/divine significance than Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
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The Bible does play a certain role in it. Not only does it remind you that faggotry is such a bad habit but It mentions things that could possibly come next. The bible isn't the only artifact that predicts what goes on. Gobekli Tepe and Megalithic Temples of Malta are often built every time the star Sirius shifts it's celestial latitude and Derinkuyu is a chain of underground tunnels made millennia's ago, these things actually mean something as theoretically speaking, the apocalypse has happened before and they fear another one coming.
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Saying "Jesus stuff" is "myths and legends" is Reddit tier autism. Read a book. Scholarship has been in line with a lot of the narrative of Jesus's life being real for a long time. And I mean from historians, not just religious people. They believe everything from the baptism by John the Baptist to the crucifixion occurred. While obviously they don't vouch for things like the Resurrection, calling it a "myth" means you're uneducated on the subject and recycling debunked ideas from the 1970's.
Most scholars also think a huge flood happened at some point, even if they don't think it was world wide, so yeah you're batting 0 on those two.
I know I'll get stickers for this again, but it's the truth. You can fucking talk to spirits with something like a ghost box you buy from fucking Amazon or ebay or even much more low-tech tools if you have patience. I realize I'm probably more "open" to communication than most normal people, but it's not that hard to uncover evidence of the spiritual realm. The idea there is no "mystical power" and that the idea that older societies couldn't tap into spiritual knowledge (If you examine different ancient societies, you'll see huge overlaps for things like religious ritual) is laughable to me since I've lived with that crap since I was a child, but some people that are more shielded from that kind of stuff and live in the bubble of the mundane feel more comfortable just believing their scientism and what the atheist TV news tells them is real or not.
The idea there is "nothing" beyond just makes them feel more comfortable, and that's one of the more fucked up things about modern society. Why even try if it all doesn't matter in the end? Just play your video games, eat your fast food and fuck off. In that regard, things have moved backwards as certain technologies have moved forwards, but we are probably overdue for a new spiritual awakening of the masses because most people find modern life completely empty and it's easy to understand why.
As for the Bible, don't write it off as just an old book. It's filled with truth and was written by real prophets and people who had seen or transcribed miracles.
I'm not saying everything was always sunshine and roses. But at least people in the past tried to hide it, and not actively push it in the mainstream.
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@Hugger Brother Imagine my disappointment when I read Proverbs and instead of getting Chinese-style actual advice 90% of it was some variation on "worship God."