Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

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Took me a minute to realize that wasn't just rates of sexual offense among incarcerated troons, but among ALL troons in the UK. Holy shit that's bad.

I looked up that 48,000 number just to make sure it was accurate (it is). It comes straight from a recent UK census that included gender identity, as quoted in this Guardian article:


Yeah this one's going in my Hate Facts folder. Thanks again.
 
The "science" affirms trannies right now
You probably know this, but the science absolutely does NOT establish that child genital mutilation and sterilization and the affirmation of delusions are appropriate interventions. The Cass Review in the UK has highlighted how inadequate the evidence base is. Other countries in Europe (most recently Norway) are walking back recommendations for insta-transing. The US medical establishment is the outlier. It has dilators in its ears and its head up its neo-vagina.

"Puberty blockers are reversible" - expect to see this laughable claim scrutinized in future malpractice lawsuits.

There are NO studies on the impact of puberty blockers on brain development and cognition. It is highly likely that puberty-blocked children who make the decision to get surgery when they turn into an adult, are making decisions without the benefit of pubertal cognition development, i.e. they still have a child's capacity for emotional regulation, judgement, planning, and consent.

There are NO studies on trans regret that control for Post-purchase rationalization. This is the phenomenon whereby the more heavily invested in something you are, the more likely you are to think that investment was a good idea, because the alternative is the psychological pain of admitting you were wrong, and particularly intense psychological pain if it was a decision that can't be undone. There is no heavier investment than having your cock sliced off. When you ask post-chop MtFs if they are happy with their chop, they HAVE to say yes, because the alternative is admitting to themselves that they did a supremely insane thing, and have to live the rest of their lives as a mutilated cockless freak that will never have another orgasm. When the individual is also heavily invested in trans-rights rhetoric, it's a doubly whammy, because they have to admit to being wrong about all that too.

Detransitioners deserve a lot of credit for coming clean.
 
Thing is, since the current wave of transgenderism is a new phenomenon, we simply DON'T know about the long-term effects of transitioning, and especially if the lesson that young children learn is "better living through pharmaceuticals and cosmetic surgery".

We used to think that self-acceptance was the better route than constantly trying to change yourself.

Think about it: a young kid learns that in order to make things "right" they need to take a drug. Well, then, the drugs aren't helping, so more drugs it is. Don't pass well enough? Well, not only get more cosmetic surgery, but demand the public subsidize it for you.

At what point in these discussions, honestly, do we say: okay kid, remember, there's a limit here, and if there's a certain amount of stuff you did that didn't work, you might want to accept that it's never going to work?

Frankly, if a person screams and cries and threatens to self-delete if they're trans, it's less likely I'm going to believe they actually ARE. Because anyone who believes they're trans sure as fuck doesn't need anyone else to believe it, nor all the crutches now being pushed to support it.
 
It all came to a head for me when I saw someone pitch a hypothetical that said "If there was a button that you could press that could get rid of all your gender dysphoria and made you happy as a "cisgendered" person, would you press it?"

Now most rational people would probably go "yeah why would I want to feel like the only way to be happy is by mutilating my own genitals". Instead, every tranny ever got extremely mad at the question. Not because they said they wouldn't press the magic button, but they were mad at the hypothetical in the first place. Instead of proposing reasons why they wouldn't press the hypothetical magical button that could cure them of depression and the desire for medical intervention to live a perfect life, they started to get mad because such a button was a preposterous proposition. They got mad at a fake magic button rather than defending why they'd choose to not press the Cis button. They would rather choose to be mad over something that didn't exist, rather than argue a case where there's a world where they could have been mentally stable. Imagine a world where cancer patients got mad that someone would dare come up with a "Cure Cancer" button and started poking holes in it rather than saying "fuck yes smash that button".

The vast majority of arguments from internet troons now defend the idea that they choose to be trans without directly saying they're choosing to be trans. The bar for identifying as trans gets pushed lower and lower. You no longer have to feel any dysphoria, any euphoria, any whateverphoria, you can even straight up say you're cisgender and have no desire to transition, but the very next day do it to transparently advance your career (Ollie Thorn, Jim Sterling etc). And I think the bigger voices are scared of setting a line in the sand because if they say anything negative about anything even tangentially related to the trans community, they'll be excommunicated from the community because to them the argument is black and white rather than a complicated array of medical issues.

If trans people wanted to be taken seriously, it would be being pushed as a method to treat a medical condition. I'd actually be willing to accept trans people if the vast majority of them just said "yes, there is something wrong me. The only way I can feel normal is by trooning out. I realise I'm a biological male wanting to be identified differently but unfortunately, that's what's wrong with me and until science comes up with a way to get it out of my brain this is the most effective method of treating me." But it's never about that. It's literally "I'm going to change literally every definition of every word until I, a person who chose to become female yesterday, am treated exactly like a natal woman, and you deserve to die if you say I'm different". They don't seem to realise "YWNBAW" is a warning, not an insult, and are absolutely livid when actual science refutes things (like trans women in sports being superior to cis women because they were born dudes). They can't concede that, like others with disabilities, they can't do everything. So they want to change everything by force. It's like a guy with a wheelchair wanting to enter the 100m with his super charged electric motor scooter.

The arguments you see from troons wanting kids to transition come from people who believe the qualifying factors for being trans is a verbal statement, rather than any actual feelings, emotions or anything actually wrong with you, and are happy to fuck up kids lives because it's score one for Team Troon.

Adds to the fact they are absolutely willing to accept anybody that identifies as a slither of trans because it's always been like a sports game where the most people wins. Which makes it funny when you watch how literally every part of their self ID culture falls apart when an event happens like that fat non-binary shooter coming along and faking being non-binary. Then all of a sudden, because they looked bad, they switched.
 
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Thing is, since the current wave of transgenderism is a new phenomenon, we simply DON'T know about the long-term effects of transitioning,
The thing is, they KNEW it was going to be very very bad, we just don’t know to what extent that harm would precisely be. Opposite sex hormones, lupron, hormones blockers are not recent inventions, and they were only either extremely sparingly used, or used to chemically castrate sex offenders, or dope up Soviet athletes. They know the side effects of these drugs in extremely low doses for extremely limited time, and what high doses do to the castrated sex offenders longer term. Well, its not looking good at all. It doesn’t take a genius to assume if they are given in astronomically high amount for extended period of time, theoretically forever, it could be very very bad for the person. We know it’s going to be very very very bad, we just don’t know how bad exactly that’s going to be.

Bones are very very sensitive to hormone levels, and I remember my doctor warning me when I was on oral birth controls. Yk how you can keep taking the active pills to skip a period? My doctor told me not to do that for more than three months consecutively, because it’ll be bad for the bones. Now the harm of hormonal birth control is another problem, but even that, a range of hormone that my body is built to endure, can be bad if sustained for more than 3 months. Now imagine if I block all my estrogen and progesterone and get my testosterone level up to a man’s level… I don’t even need to go through it to know it’s going to be very very bad. It’s like if we know eating shit is bad, we don’t need to know how bad it’s going to get if someone only eat shit for every meal for 10 years. There’s no excuses for the medical authorities really.
 
The "science" affirms trannies right now, because that's what politicians want.
there is a big difference between science as told and used by politicians and the media, and actual science. most science is funded by national research councils such as here in the UK, EPSRC, BBSRC, in the US NIH, the EU has a lot of joint funding options etc. these funding sources place no restrictions on publications, and grants are supposedly offered based on the merit of the application and the priority of the subject matter, though in reality there is a lot of who you know etc.

legitimate scientists doing publicly funded research are supposed to be immune from politics, mostly politics is involved in determining what avenues to pursue, it should never influence the results. so it doesn't affirm anything and if you go in presupposing your conclusion, or selecting your data to guarantee the answer you want, it should be very difficult to publish anywhere respectable (but peer reviewers are unpaid and can miss a lot, so its less difficult than it should be). there are issues if you want to publish something that massively contradicts the status quo, even if you have water tight evidence you might find it hard to find a journal willing to stick their neck out.

if by 'science' you mean whatever the fuck goes on in sociology departments, or studies run by pharma companies and published very selectively, then i wholeheartedly agree with you.


You probably know this, but the science absolutely does NOT establish that child genital mutilation and sterilization and the affirmation of delusions are appropriate interventions.
it does not establish it for adults either: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/a...&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=mandiner_202101
 
Now most rational people would probably go "yeah why would I want to feel like the only way to be happy is by mutilating my own genitals". Instead, every tranny ever got extremely mad at the question. Not because they said they wouldn't press the magic button, but they were mad at the hypothetical in the first place.
When your entire identity revolves around being oppressed by imaginary threats, hypothetical threats become oppressive.
 

Il Latte Materno

What you said in the first part is true.When i commented on another site about the future, i brought up how impossible sex changes are, and that we'll probably have a way to cure the brain that's causing gender dysphoria.I got replied back by someone saying this "I'm sure by the time you do find a cure you'd get about the same backlash to it as if you tried to cure autism." Why would there be backlash from trans people if there was a way to help fix the part of the brain that's causing them so much pain and confusion?I even had someone else say this bizarre take. "Changing your body to match the way you want to present to the world is a fundamental part of humanity. Wanting to "fix" the desire that people have to change their bodies just seems extremely unappealing." These two comments alone made me realize that this whole movement is not actually about helping trans people but basically trying to play God or nature and having the ability to alt reality to what people want it to be.
 
I got replied back by someone saying this "I'm sure by the time you do find a cure you'd get about the same backlash to it as if you tried to cure autism." Why would there be backlash from trans people if there was a way to help fix the part of the brain that's causing them so much pain and confusion?I even had someone else say this bizarre take. "Changing your body to match the way you want to present to the world is a fundamental part of humanity. Wanting to "fix" the desire that people have to change their bodies just seems extremely unappealing." These two comments alone made me realize that this whole movement is not actually about helping trans people but basically trying to play God or nature and having the ability to alt reality to what people want it to be.
I think there's a direct effort to confuse people with what being trans actually is and isn't for this express purpose. Because if you give a valid reason for how trans people work, it invalidates those that just want to wear dresses because it gives them boners or fourteen year old girls with a desperate need for validation and we can't be having that. Autism can't be "cured" in a way because of how many things can be considered under the autism spectrum. I can understand that reasoning to why it shouldn't really be "cured". But dysphoria is an actual thing with, currently, a direct method for being treated. It's probably easier to find a cure for dysphoria than there being a way to totally change sex at a chromosomal level.
 
It all came to a head for me when I saw someone pitch a hypothetical that said "If there was a button that you could press that could get rid of all your gender dysphoria and made you happy as a "cisgendered" person, would you press it?"

Before the trend hit, when it was just a few freaks on reddit and something awful, and geographically constrained to the Bay area, more than a few truscums said things to the effect of they wish they had such a button. Or things like 'I would happily go around aborting trans babies to spare them this.'

Now most rational people would probably go "yeah why would I want to feel like the only way to be happy is by mutilating my own genitals". Instead, every tranny ever got extremely mad at the question. Not because they said they wouldn't press the magic button, but they were mad at the hypothetical in the first place. Instead of proposing reasons why they wouldn't press the hypothetical magical button that could cure them of depression and the desire for medical intervention to live a perfect life, they started to get mad because such a button was a preposterous proposition. They got mad at a fake magic button rather than defending why they'd choose to not press the Cis button. They would rather choose to be mad over something that didn't exist, rather than argue a case where there's a world where they could have been mentally stable. Imagine a world where cancer patients got mad that someone would dare come up with a "Cure Cancer" button and started poking holes in it rather than saying "fuck yes smash that button".

It's clearly not about dysphoria. They do admit what it is about, but not directly, except for the recent FtMs who are still teenage girls or young females and as such are used to sharing feelings and asking for help.

The same things the FtMs complain about when they desist or just regret out loud as heckin valid pooners are the same things that drove MtFs to troon out.
FtMs were broadsided with males not inherently being privileged and on easy street, but rather judged and if found lacking, are called creepy, ignored, silenced, shit on, and so forth. They are blamed for their loneliness and all of their problems (rightly and wrongly) and even told they're mansplaining to boot.

Men who do speak up about this without putting on womanface, that is, "incels" or "MRAs", who are judged as being creepy for being weak low status males who dare to ask for help and say they're hurt, you know, the start of the incel to troon pipeline, say the exact same things.

By suggesting they 'fix their dysphoria' they have to revert to a state where they're second class at best, forced to fend for themselves, forced to give up the hyperreality of internet friends and support and backpats and attention and care and drama where they're the queen bees, regardless of if their stinger is tucked or cut off. Of course they're going to be furious! Who would want to go from a troon back to an incel? Especially now that they're hormonally fucked up and trained their voice to sound like Kermit.

The vast majority of arguments from internet troons now defend the idea that they choose to be trans without directly saying they're choosing to be trans. The bar for identifying as trans gets pushed lower and lower. You no longer have to feel any dysphoria, any euphoria, any whateverphoria, you can even straight up say you're cisgender and have no desire to transition, but the very next day do it to transparently advance your career (Ollie Thorn, Jim Sterling etc). And I think the bigger voices are scared of setting a line in the sand because if they say anything negative about anything even tangentially related to the trans community, they'll be excommunicated from the community because to them the argument is black and white rather than a complicated array of medical issues.

I think this is also present, but I'm not sure which was more common in the past, and what is more common now. Plenty of blatant cases of doing it for clout or preferential treatment in the criminal justice system can be found all over the forum, of course, but if I'd go deep cover on Internet Safaris and butter up a troon or enby enough that they'd spill the beans, I consistently found out that it's really escaping being treated like shit and pining for the perceived (correctly, it seems!) support and love that the other half gets.

This is probably selection bias: someone who is Very Online has different motivations than a gymbro going gymbrosephina, or a twat facing sex charges trooning out in pretrial, etc.

If trans people wanted to be taken seriously, it would be being pushed as a method to treat a medical condition. I'd actually be willing to accept trans people if the vast majority of them just said "yes, there is something wrong me. The only way I can feel normal is by trooning out. I realise I'm a biological male wanting to be identified differently but unfortunately, that's what's wrong with me and until science comes up with a way to get it out of my brain this is the most effective method of treating me." But it's never about that. It's literally "I'm going to change literally every definition of every word until I, a person who chose to become female yesterday, am treated exactly like a natal woman, and you deserve to die if you say I'm different". They don't seem to realise "YWNBAW" is a warning, not an insult, and are absolutely livid when actual science refutes things (like trans women in sports being superior to cis women because they were born dudes). They can't concede that, like others with disabilities, they can't do everything. So they want to change everything by force. It's like a guy with a wheelchair wanting to enter the 100m with his super charged electric motor scooter.

Indeed, they're escaping their former selves, and realize the longer they stay on the path of trooning, the worse it would be if it ever stopped.

Actual science refuting their shit isn't ever going to be a rational thing. It's going to be white hot rage and blinding terror at the thought of being even worse than they were before, all while being forced to remember 'the good years' of having attention and support.

The arguments you see from troons wanting kids to transition come from people who believe the qualifying factors for being trans is a verbal statement, rather than any actual feelings, emotions or anything actually wrong with you, and are happy to fuck up kids lives because it's score one for Team Troon.

Perhaps. It validates their own stance and helps them justify the lie to themselves. Or, maybe they really think they're sparing the kids their own pre-transition pain? Even here I'd give the benefit of the doubt given how miserable and lonely they were and how much they fear returning to it. On the other hand, wishing a hyperreality of "internet womanhood" through the lens of a lonely male is fucking sad. So too is a bunch of teenage girls riding the same wave and thinking they're going to be totally privileged confident heckin valid dudes who grill or whatever the fuck.

They won't stop this madness themselves, and, indeed, I believe that whatever will stop it is going to throw them into a state even worse than the one they left. I leave it to the reader to imagine how awful the result of this will be. I will say that regardless of if we can have a soft landing, the only moral thing to do is end this as soon as possible.

Adds to the fact they are absolutely willing to accept anybody that identifies as a slither of trans because it's always been like a sports game where the most people wins. Which makes it funny when you watch how literally every part of their self ID culture falls apart when an event happens like that fat non-binary shooter coming along and faking being non-binary. Then all of a sudden, because they looked bad, they switched.

Indeed, they have to keep the act up, because otherwise they're just incels in e-girl face desperately chasing having any kind of social standing at all.

The instinct to fit in, not be lonely, to have some kind of cohort and friendship, support, and so on, really is a powerful one. To think that so many people have been thrown into this lie is honestly horrifying, but it leads back to them being a symptom (and more recently a cause, yes) of a greater problem.

Liberalism, atomization, victim-or-victimizer ethics, waving pompoms and tooting the horns of the "oppressed", blind eyes to how stupid it all is? Families and communities and friendships destroyed as people are made into consumers who, at most, have contacts and associates in their careers? People without friendship, community, or meaning become stupid and desperate.

Society is failing most people, this is true, but if young people never get a chance except to do this to themselves, it's really clearly failing them pretty badly. For better or worse, the predictable response to this also has a source of meaning for young men and morals for society to follow built right in! Unfortunately, authoritarianism tends to have an even higher body count, even more restrictions on what people can and cannot do, actually is oppressive, and inevitably leads to its own destruction, so the cycle never ends.

Fuck it all.
 

Il Latte Materno

What you said in the first part is true.When i commented on another site about the future, i brought up how impossible sex changes are, and that we'll probably have a way to cure the brain that's causing gender dysphoria.I got replied back by someone saying this "I'm sure by the time you do find a cure you'd get about the same backlash to it as if you tried to cure autism." Why would there be backlash from trans people if there was a way to help fix the part of the brain that's causing them so much pain and confusion?I even had someone else say this bizarre take. "Changing your body to match the way you want to present to the world is a fundamental part of humanity. Wanting to "fix" the desire that people have to change their bodies just seems extremely unappealing." These two comments alone made me realize that this whole movement is not actually about helping trans people but basically trying to play God or nature and having the ability to alt reality to what people want it to be.

People saying curing autism is genocide are just as stupid as the people saying cochlear implants is genocide. Fucking shit. A deficiency is not an identity is not a culture is not "valid".

What's next, saying curing criminality is niggercide?

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Actually something like an order of magnitude more than normal men, even normal criminal men. This is because troonery is a disgusting paraphilia and the thing about paraphilias are they're like Pokemon. People collect them. If you do one disgusting, foul sexual thing, you likely do every one of them that occurs to you.

Hence all the Buffalo Bills out there.

Yeah like a 5 fold difference per His Majesty's Prison Service. This doesn't account for people who get off scot free due to various protections that won't come to light for some time.
 
Claim to be women but have the violent crime/rape stats of men.
Actually something like an order of magnitude more than normal men, even normal criminal men. This is because troonery is a disgusting paraphilia and the thing about paraphilias are they're like Pokemon. People collect them. If you do one disgusting, foul sexual thing, you likely do every one of them that occurs to you.

Hence all the Buffalo Bills out there.
 
This is literally what I thought in 2010 or so when wokeshit started showing up on 4chan and other places. I thought "you people are silly, don't you realize this is clearly just a parody and not reality?" And then it just kept coming and it just kept coming and it just kept coming. . .

And at some point I went full John Trent.
In the Mouth of Madness is fucking awesome. Probably Carpenters best film (close run with The Thing, Escape From New York, and They Live. Big Trouble in Little China was great too actually) and pure Lovecraft in all but name.
Great musician too. The theme music is my ringtone.
 
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People saying curing autism is genocide are just as stupid as the people saying cochlear implants is genocide. Fucking shit. A deficiency is not an identity is not a culture is not "valid".
I couldn't believe it when I heard about the drama with cochlear implants. Some people actually refuse the treatment and get mad at others who don't. They really buy into the whole "differently-abled" thing. Not being able to hear is a disability, a deficiency, and there aren't many upsides to it, other than not getting annoyed by loud noises.
 
I couldn't believe it when I heard about the drama with cochlear implants. Some people actually refuse the treatment and get mad at others who don't. They really buy into the whole "differently-abled" thing. Not being able to hear is a disability, a deficiency, and there aren't many upsides to it, other than not getting annoyed by loud noises.

I keep wondering what the ratio of sour grapes to bought into identity bullshit is. Fuck them for either reason tbh.
 
My first encounter with a fucked up fujoshi back in the early 2000s when I was a minor is what tipped me off to this horseshit.

She pretended to be a gay man online and called herself the "Yaoi God". I was a stupid kid and thought she was really cool because she was a decent artist, had no idea it was a woman or how batshit insane she was.

When I found out she was lying about her gender I tried to have a heart to heart with her because I felt bad and wanted to help her feel better about being a woman.. she referred to not liking being seen as "a creature with tits" and even though I was 12 I was taken back at how misogynistic of a statement that was. The talk went nowhere in the end and she continued being a "gay man" online.
Not only did she hate women but she was pretty much openly a pedophile too because nobody even knew what the hell shota was so she was able to talk about how much she loved it while grooming any minor that walked past her. Go figure she was sexually abused.

Everything about her is so stereotypical narcissitic ultra cunt pooner. She's been called out for being a rampant pedophile multiple times and it did nothing because she's now a protected class by becoming trans.


I think there was a thread about her here actually.
 
can't remember when I hit peak trans
I guess I was always a little bit transphob

but I think it was, when I heard about teens and even children transistioning to the other gender (like Jazz Jennings)
and the whole stuff like non-binary language and that you get a gender/sex "assigned" at birth, not that you are born with one

I must admit, I don't care if a grown-up wants to change his gender, the only thing is, that our current medicine can't do that now, they can only make a more or less good facade of the real thing
(often less good than more good)

so yeah, if a grown-up wants to do that, his choice, he or she should only be aware, that from a biological stand-point, they are still their original gender
 
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