Spunt's helpful guide to Britain for fat Americans - Learn about Anglos so you can hate them better

[Spunt]

As for leaving your country, while I understand, it's still a shameful thing. For as much as I hate what's going on in the US, I love my country and will do my utmost to stay and try to improve it rather than leaving. That's probably naive, but if somethings worth fighting for, then I think you should fight.

The USA stands for something. European countries don't. I'm not sure you can grasp either of those cultures when you're part of the other unless you have lived in both places. I'm one of the limited number of people who have. America is a country founded on a set of ideals. That's incredibly rare, and what makes the USA special. I can think of maybe only three other countries that are or were an idea first, and a place second - the Vatican, the USSR and Liberia. Really that's it, and the USA was the only one that really worked. If I was American, I wouldn't leave, because there's something to fight for, something to defend. Europeans don't get that, they just see an inexplicable level of patriotism for such a relatively young country. They genuinely find it baffling.

The UK isn't like that. It's just a couple of rocks in the North Atlantic. There's no British ideal, not even an English one. There's not really an English nation in the broader sense. Even the whitest English people are a mixture of Anglo-Saxon, Nordic and Celtic stock. It's why we struggle so badly to have a sense of identity that we don't even have a written constitution. Its people have no sense of connection to the place they live, that's the major reason why the British are such awful people. In terms of loyalty, there isn't really something to be loyal to, especially when the country isn't loyal to you. Everybody here is in it for themselves, and it makes this country utterly fucking miserable to be in, and why there is no bright future - even if we guillotined the entire establishment, their replacements would still be British, as lost and rootless as the people they replaced.

I've served my time in the trenches here, trying to do my best to fix this broken fucking country, but trying to bring about even the smallest improvement is like banging your head against a wall, because the people here are not only angry, miserable cunts, they are determined to remain angry, miserable cunts and will fight anyone trying to fix anything with every fibre of their being.

Jeremy Clarkson, a man who has lived and worked on both sides of the Atlantic, understands this. He said something like: "If an American sees a man in a Ferrari, he says to himself, "One day I will have one of those". If a Briton sees a man in a Ferrari, he says to himself, "One day I'll have him out of that.""

I don't expect everyone to agree with my decision. In particular I don't expect Americans to even understand it, such is the cultural gap between the two nations. But, ultimately, there comes a point that when you're in a burning building and the fire is out of control, you put down the fire extinguisher and get your family out of there.

Especially if the house is shit anyway.

 

[soy_king]

@Spunt I hate to quote Sargon, but the philosophies of Locke, John Stuart Mill, and the ideas of representative government and classical liberalism are the flunding basis for the British ethos. Disraeli, Pam, and Gladstone stood for that ideal, and the fact that it got lost die to entrenched corruption, self interest, and fifth columnism doesn't mean it didn't stand for something.

 

[NerdShamer]

Europeans don't get that, they just see an inexplicable level of patriotism for such a relatively young country. They genuinely find it baffling.

It's kind of understandable when most of the countries were managed by several families of rich old farts who enforced the status quo.

 

[Spunt]

@Spunt I hate to quote Sargon, but the philosophies of Locke, John Stuart Mill, and the ideas of representative government and classical liberalism are the flunding basis for the British ethos. Disraeli, Pam, and Gladstone stood for that ideal, and the fact that it got lost die to entrenched corruption, self interest, and fifth columnism doesn't mean it didn't stand for something.

This is what I mean about Americans not understanding Europe. Those people indeed stood for something laudable, but their influence barely lasted a century. That's a long time for Americans, but we've been stuck on this nasty little rock for 3000 years. In a historical context, those ideas are little more than a passing fad. There is no "British Ethos", not in Britain. Those ideas were much more influential in America than they were here. See what happened to Carl Benjamin when he tried to revive them. Yes, he's a lolcow and did some stupid shit, but having those ideas post-1945 has you labelled as a crank at best and a dangerous subversive at worst.

When you're outnumbered a thousand to one and losing the battle, you don't fight to the death out of principle. You yield the ground, retreat, and regroup to fight another day. If I was 20 years younger, maybe I'd put myself on the line like I did back in the day, but I have a family and I am responsible for their wellbeing. They come first, and it is my primary responsibility, above all else, to ensure their welfare, and have them live somewhere where they can thrive. That place is not the UK.

 

[soy_king]

This is what I mean about Americans not understanding Europe. Those people indeed stood for something laudable, but their influence barely lasted a century. That's a long time for Americans, but we've been stuck on this nasty little rock for 3000 years. In a historical context, those ideas are little more than a passing fad. There is no "British Ethos", not in Britain. Those ideas were much more influential in America than they were here. See what happened to Carl Benjamin when he tried to revive them. Yes, he's a lolcow and did some stupid shit, but having those ideas post-1945 has you labelled as a crank at best and a dangerous subversive at worst.

When you're outnumbered a thousand to one and losing the battle, you don't fight to the death out of principle. You yield the ground, retreat, and regroup to fight another day. If I was 20 years younger, maybe I'd put myself on the line like I did back in the day, but I have a family and I am responsible for their wellbeing. They come first, and it is my primary responsibility, above all else, to ensure their welfare, and have them live somewhere where they can thrive. That place is not the UK.

I would argue they lasted a little longer than that, especially given how they were the foundational ideology of the Empire and had their origins in the proto separation of powers you find in the post Glorious Revolution state. Britain as an island has a millenia long history, but Britain as a country at best has a history of a little over 400 years. The bigger problem is the over a century of retreat from those principles by the elites in your country to the extent supporting those fundamental principles are now viewed as extreme. The same phenomenon is happening in the US, only it really only started in 1933, so the effects aren't nearly as pronounced.

And yes, I get it, and I'm not telling you you're a coward or anything for making that choice for the benefit of your family. I'm just saying it's a shame you feel like you have no stake in your homeland and I'm not entirely sure you won't encounter similar problems in the Antipodes or any other Anglophone country.

 

[Seymour Duncan]

I sure wish there was a collated list of posts for easier reading, so I made it.

• Geography and Population (OP)
  • The Cities of the UK
• Politics and Immigration
  • Northern Ireland
  • Immigration and Ethnicity
• Healthcare
• The British Media
  • British Newspapers
• British Sports
• Transport
  • The Railways
  • (guest post) The London Underground
• The Royal Family
• Why is Britain Collapsing?
  • The Ruling Class is the Enemy of the People
  • Brexit
  • Overcrowding

If this could be edited into the OP for to help out future thread archaeologists, that'd be swell.

 

[Spunt]

Done. Thanks buddy.

 

[Mukhrani]

Murder of Jo Cox - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I remember there being a lot of weird shit surrounding this one - the police calling the dude by name when they went to arrest him, when they had no way to know his name at the time. The SPLC having a dossier ready to release immediately after the murder. His defense lawyer just not fighting at all, but at the same time not entering a guilty plea. I remember reading recently that they still can't account as to how he supposedly got the gun, and the coroner was a sketchy character as well. Is this seen as fishy in Britain? I just remember it being an extremely bizarre case if you looked into any of the details deeper than the parroted media line.

 

[Seafarer]

@Spunt are there any particularly interesting conspiracy rabbit holes to go down when it comes to the UK? I’m not talking mainstream shit like Nonce Charles and his connections to Epstein, I’m talking stuff like “the UK not only knew that the Lusitania was headed for the U-boat and let it happen, but also directly gave the captain orders to take a route that would get them even closer to the U-boat, all in a (successful, unfortunately) attempt to get America involved in WW1“ (something I believe btw).

 

[RACISM]

I remember there being a lot of weird shit surrounding this one - the police calling the dude by name when they went to arrest him, when they had no way to know his name at the time. The SPLC having a dossier ready to release immediately after the murder. His defense lawyer just not fighting at all, but at the same time not entering a guilty plea. I remember reading recently that they still can't account as to how he supposedly got the gun, and the coroner was a sketchy character as well. Is this seen as fishy in Britain? I just remember it being an extremely bizarre case if you looked into any of the details deeper than the parroted media line.

I remember a lot of talk on the net that her murder just before the Brexit vote was a little too convenient in timing, and fully milked for propaganda.

 

[Amin Yamumm]

@Spunt ....I’m not talking mainstream shit like Nonce Charles and his connections to Epstein, I’m talking stuff like....

Charles had no connection with Epstein. It was Charlies brother, Nonce Andrew.

 

[teriyakiburns]

@Spunt are there any particularly interesting conspiracy rabbit holes to go down when it comes to the UK? I’m not talking mainstream shit like Nonce Charles and his connections to Epstein, I’m talking stuff like “the UK not only knew that the Lusitania was headed for the U-boat and let it happen, but also directly gave the captain orders to take a route that would get them even closer to the U-boat, all in a (successful, unfortunately) attempt to get America involved in WW1“ (something I believe btw).

There's the very definitely isn't at all murder of Dr David Kelly, a weapons expert under the Blair government, who questioned the government's justification for joining the second iraq war (the infamous "45 minutes" line in particular). He turned up dead miles from his home, after somehow managing to eat a whole packet of co-proxamol and cutting his wrists with a pruning knife, without getting any fingerprints on either. The presence of electrode prints on his upper body, despite having no recent medical appointments, was also never addressed.

 

[Seafarer]

Charles had no connection with Epstein. It was Charlies brother, Nonce Andrew.

Sorry, got my inbred retards mixed up.

 

[Spunt]

@Spunt are there any particularly interesting conspiracy rabbit holes to go down when it comes to the UK? I’m not talking mainstream shit like Nonce Charles and his connections to Epstein, I’m talking stuff like “the UK not only knew that the Lusitania was headed for the U-boat and let it happen, but also directly gave the captain orders to take a route that would get them even closer to the U-boat, all in a (successful, unfortunately) attempt to get America involved in WW1“ (something I believe btw).

Cherie Blair (Tony's Edvard Munch painting of a wife) is an interesting character. I was in a London bar and found a very drunk newspaper journalist (i.e. a normal newspaper journalist) whose tongue had been loosened by Jaegerbombs. There's all sorts of dirt on her, but she's such a powerful lawyer (and friends with even more powerful lawyers) that there's several stories the press are too scared to run about her even though they have plentiful evidence. The one that he was willing to tell us was that throughout the Blairs' time in Downing Street, Cherie was having an affair with Lord (Charlie) Falconer, Tony's former university flatmate and chief crony. Tony appointed him justice secretary and then Lord Chancellor (the government's lead in the House of Lords) even though he knew what was happening throughout.

Tony Blair is a literal cuck.

Apparently there is much worse, Hilary Clinton levels of worse, but even Mr Sozzled Journo wouldn't spill the beans on them because he was afraid he'd get suicided. What @teriyakiburns was talking about with regards to David Kelly may be one of those stories. There's quite a rabbit hole there if you're brave enough to go down it.

 

[Shining Wit]

Charles had no connection with Epstein. It was Charlies brother, Nonce Andrew.

Charles does have links to Jimmy Savile but i'm sure every elite did

 

[Spunt]

Charles does have links to Jimmy Savile but i'm sure every elite did

The impression I get is that Jimmy Savile cozied up to the elites, not the other way around. He was a man who quite literally got off on power, hence his sex crimes. Savile wasn't what criminologists call a "classic paedophile" - someone who wants romantic relationships with children and thinks they can reciprocate. He was what they call a "dominance rapist" - someone who was sexually attracted to weakness and enjoyed a feeling of power over his victims. Such people won't just have children on their CV, they'll have the elderly, the disabled, anyone who they think they can exert power over, and Savile's victims weren't just children, unlike, say Paul Gadd/Gary Glitter, who is exclusively attracted to children and has no interest in adults.

Savile was always described as being creepily close to his elderly mother and I have no doubt he fucked her. His desire for power and dominance is what caused him to use his charity work to get access to the vulnerable, particularly hospital patients. Rubbing shoulders with the great and the good gave him a thrill, because he could get away with more and loved that he had manipulated everyone and got away with everything. A genuine sociopath.

 

[teriyakiburns]

He was what they call a "dominance rapist" - someone who was sexually attracted to weakness and enjoyed a feeling of power over his victims. Such people won't just have children on their CV, they'll have the elderly, the disabled, anyone who they think they can exert power over

Including corpses. He got off on fucking dead people because it was the ultimate power move; the corpse couldn't fight back, and he could get his jollies thinking about how none of the family could know what he was doing to their dead relative.

 

[guidmaker]

Why the fuck would you want to go to Britain, especially since you'll be cunted on by fat Brits who don't realize they're just as fat.

 

[The Grognard]

Why the fuck would you want to go to Britain, especially since you'll be cunted on by fat Brits who don't realize they're just as fat.

I see all of two reasons why a non-anglo would go to Britain. Either you have business to do with the banking sector or you're going to try to get an Oxbridge degree.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I see all of two reasons why a non-anglo would go to Britain. Either you have business to do with the banking sector or you're going to try to get an Oxbridge degree.

Come to the norf m8, there's loads of old stuff to look at. Luv me museums, luv me castles. Simple as.