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[Flexo]

OMG, Shaun/Nerdskull??? @Georgio Cocklord you've got to warn us before you post raw, unfiltered lolcows like that.

 

[TVB]

Cute.

I'm a sucker for the silent stuff though.

That one was adorable.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

You sure? I have no idea which of the 41 books it's in, but there's a quote about the black skinned humans and the white skin humans setting aside their differences to discriminate against the green-skinned

Not quite, it's more that humans put aside their ethnic differences to gang up on trolls (and dwarves, gnomes etc.). Of course he then showed the other side of that in Jingo where it turned out that yes there was still standard issue racism which was in that book specifically taken advantage of by the non-white nation to frame the white one for a crime they committed and avoid blame because the assumption was that brown on brown crime could not possibly be the explanation. Cue SJW screaming.

Lot of breadtube seems to worship him, his cowriter was Neil Gaiman, he wrote a book about pooners in 2003 called Monstrous Regiment, theres the dwarf commander who wears drag called Corporal Littlebottom. Lot of his books are very social justicy like Equal Rites, Monstrous Regiment, the flaming elephant one, couple others. Its gone to the point where hes become the real progressive celeb icon of brits after what happened to JKR.

His co-writer was Neil Gaiman for very specific things, not for any of the dozens of Discworld book. Your summary of Monstrous Regiment is either obtained from Reddit or watching the dreadful Watch series as are the others. The interpretations of idiots on the internet are not the actual books.

More on topic for the thread guess what the new perfect movie is?

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a44219784/netflix-movie-nimona-rotten-tomatoes-rating/

https://archive.ph/w7CUz

Netflix's animated LGBTQ+ movie Nimona is a hit with critics, earning a coveted 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

Based on ND Stevenson's award-winning 2015 graphic novel, the story follows shapeshifting teenager Nimona (voiced by Chloë Grace Moretz), who's being hunted by a knight named Ballister Boldheart (Riz Ahmed). And yet, when the assassin is accused of a crime he didn't commit, it's the youngster who may turn out to be his saviour.

The project was previously scrapped by Disney before finding its new home on Netflix.


Below, you can check out a variety of review snippets straight out of Annecy International Animation Film Festival ahead of Nimona's release later this month.

Collider

"Nimona never loses sight of the fun, delivering an exhilarating adventure filled with mind-blowing set pieces. The movie has enough layers to keep adults engaged as it explores the danger of totalitarian states, how tradition often gets in the way of personal achievements, and even gender fluidity.

"However, instead of letting the seriousness of these subjects get in the way of creating a light-hearted story that can be enjoyed by parents and children alike, Nimona masterfully weaves its many themes into a narrative that’s still thrilling and funny."

Screen Daily

"It's a slick, enjoyable package from Spies in Disguise directing duo Nick Bruno and Troy Quane, and Netflix will likely be hoping that Nimona might repeat the animation awards success of last year's Pinocchio. But while it's an enjoyable, high-quality production, Nimona may lack the attention-grabbing originality that could push it into the centre of the awards conversation.

"Still, it is a film that manages to put a distinctive spin on themes that are, it has to be said, very familiar."



Variety

"Not since Shrek has an animated feature had such subversive fun with the 'happily ever after' formula, although there's no way the film's punchy personality would have turned out the same if Nimona had remained a studio toon.

"Easily the most appealing thing about Nimona is the outside-the-box animation style. How often have you flipped through the 'art of' book for some big-budget animated feature and wondered why the movie didn't match the brilliant concept art that went into its making? Well, Nimona won't leave you feeling that way, as it belongs to a new trend of bending computer animation to look more like human drawings."

IGN

"In adapting ND Stevenson's revered webcomic to animation, Netflix makes Nimona's queer content more overt as it tells a tender and bold tale about challenging institutions, being a good ally, and the need to live as your true self.

"It's a beautifully animated film that never loses sight of its goals as it seamlessly blends goofy humour and action, an imaginative setting, and powerful emotional moments to produce a memorable and highly relevant family film."

100% movie right there.
Edit - fucking hell, it's not even 100% in the summary.

"the story follows shapeshifting teenager Nimona (voiced by Chloë Grace Moretz), who's being hunted by a knight named Ballister Boldheart (Riz Ahmed). And yet, when the assassin is accused of a crime he didn't commit, it's the youngster who may turn out to be his saviour."

Who's the assassin?

 

[DeadwastePrime]

"the story follows shapeshifting teenager Nimona (voiced by Chloë Grace Moretz), who's being hunted by a knight named Ballister Boldheart (Riz Ahmed). And yet, when the assassin is accused of a crime he didn't commit, it's the youngster who may turn out to be his saviour."

Who's the assassin?

you fail grammar? the assassin is the knight, man

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

you fail grammar? the assassin is the knight, man

That would be my grammatical assumption. But it is not clarified by the text.
It could be some unrelated character who's never mentioned. From a basic reading as you say the knight is the assassin but there is nothing except for the text suddenly calling him that that makes him one. Who's this knight killed? is it a lot of people? Why's he called a knight and not an assassin? Or is is this some random moral judgement that because he was hunting Nimona he's an assassin?

It's like suddenly referring to him as a murderer. You can work out from the text who is it is meant to be but the summary raises more questions than it answers.

Imagine this summary, "the story follows FBI agent Clarice who's being aided by a criminal expert named Hannibal. And yet, when the cannibal is taken captive it's the agent who may turn out to be his saviour."

There's a fairly swift turn in information about the named characters casually dropped in there.

 

[Anonitolia]

generic girl power movie with alphabet mafia pandering in it earned a 100% from movie critics on rotten tomatoes before it was even out (and from less than 20 reviews)? color me shocked!

 

[TVB]

"the story follows shapeshifting teenager Nimona (voiced by Chloë Grace Moretz), who's being hunted by a knight named Ballister Boldheart (Riz Ahmed). And yet, when the assassin is accused of a crime he didn't commit, it's the youngster who may turn out to be his saviour."

Who's the assassin?

My god, the movie is so bad that even its summary is completely myopic and incompetent. And of course, these so-called "journos" are going to praise the movie and not actually dare say anything negative about a movie with "le progressive views." Imagine muh shock.

 

[Flexo]

There's a fairly swift turn in information about the named characters casually dropped in there.

I'm getting scared people are learning the wrong lesson from the Room.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

So does no one bother to point out in between sucking clit it was Blue Sky's last hurrah before Disney unceremoniously shut it down?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

at least it bothered to have its architecture make even an ounce of sense

I haven't seen Elemental but I did see the trailers. It made me laugh that they have metal and steam and yet "Elements don't mix and I better not see you dating a fucking wetback!" but like, where the fuck does the metal and steam come from then retard?

 

[TVB]

So does no one bother to point out in between sucking clit it was Blue Sky's last hurrah before Disney unceremoniously shut it down?

We've already know that this was originally Blue Sky's swan song before it closed down by Disney in 2021. It actually makes me wonder what Blue Sky's original vision could've been, regardless if the final result would've been good or bad (more likely the latter), yet when Netflix picked it up,, they and the animation team behind it made it much worse. And in terms of writing and such, it's clear as day that she is a shitty writer, but Pedowood keeps hiring people who claim to act as if they have "talent" or "a gift," but they realistically do not.

 

[Yamma Damma]

So does no one bother to point out in between sucking clit it was Blue Sky's last hurrah before Disney unceremoniously shut it down?

Why should we? Scratt enjoying his nut was their last hurrah.

100% movie right there.
Edit - fucking hell, it's not even 100% in the summary.

If it sounds too good to be true, it is. And isn't IGN a "video game journo" site? When did they start reviewing movies?

Netflix will likely be hoping that Nimona might repeat the animation awards success of last year's Pinocchio.

Del Toro's Pinocchio got mild criticism and wasn't a perfect 100 (it was damn close though). I bet based on the "perfect" fluffing alone, "Nimona" will be the next "Turning Red": Hit all the divershitty checkboxes, have a household name branded onto it and then fail where it matters: compelling universal writing. And good visuals, both TR and Nimona look off.

 

[Betonhaus]

Jingo where it turned out that yes there was still standard issue racism which was in that book specifically taken advantage of by the non-white nation to frame the white one for a crime they committed and avoid blame because the assumption was that brown on brown crime could not possibly be the explanation. Cue SJW screaming.

...The whole purpose if Jingo was to have a nation diametrically opposite of the one Ankh-Morpork is in to set the stage for discussing conflicts and resolutions between two groups that have next to nothing in common and fundamentally hate each other. The skin colour is irrelevant, just that making them Russian or Germán-like would've been too much on the nose and distract from the message. it did seem to reference Afganistan, so there are probably nuances I'd find if i re-read it.

 

[Trianon]

Literally the most simple solution to this would just make a film about different races of the same species of animals. Apparently Cats Don't Dance does something like this but I've yet to see it myself.

Cats Don't Dance is great, but it's basically animals vs. humans in an Old Hollywood setting. It doesn't really divide anything by species, just puts you in a world where animals have all the talent that humans have, but they only get freakish bit parts. That makes the racial parallels simple, they don't add a bunch of unnecessary world rules that start to unravel the metaphor. There's no "animals are too dangerous to work in this town," they just flat-out don't like them.

... They don't address whether animals and humans would play a romantic couple, but whatever! It's probably Roger Rabbit rules.

This guy also makes the point about subspecies probably being the only other way to do this allegory properly.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

...The whole purpose if Jingo was to have a nation diametrically opposite of the one Ankh-Morpork is in to set the stage for discussing conflicts and resolutions between two groups that have next to nothing in common and fundamentally hate each other. The skin colour is irrelevant, just that making them Russian or Germán-like would've been too much on the nose and distract from the message. it did seem to reference Afganistan, so there are probably nuances I'd find if i re-read it.

You're right that it could have worked as easily without skin colour being involved, plenty of the assumptions the two countries have about one another are not specific to any particular country of origin. However at least one section from the book that suggest skin colour might have been relevant.

Spoiler: Jingo quote

“Look, Nobby, when all’s said and done they ain’t the right colour, and there’s an end to it.”
“Good job you found out, Fred!” said Nobby, so cheerfully that Sergeant Colon was almost sure he meant it.
“Well, it’s obvious,” he conceded.
“Er… what is the right colour?” said Nobby.
“White, of course!”
“Not brick-red, then? ‘Cos you–”
“Are you winding me up, Corporal Nobbs?”
“‘Course not, sarge. So… what colour am I?”
That caused Sergeant Colon to think. You could have found, somewhere on Corporal Nobbs, a shade appropriate to every climate on the disc and a few found only in specialist medical books.
“White’s… white’s a state of, you know… mind,” he said. “It’s like… doing an honest day’s work for an honest day’s pay, that sort of thing. And washing regular.”
“Not lazing around, sort of thing.”
“Right.”
“Or… like… working all hours like Goriff does.”
“Nobby–”
“And you never see those kids of his with dirty clo–”
“Nobby, you’re just trying to get me going, right? You know we’re better’n Klatchians. Otherwise, what’s the point?”

 

[Betonhaus]

You're right that it could have worked as easily without skin colour being involved, plenty of the assumptions the two countries have about one another are not specific to any particular country of origin. However at least one section from the book that suggest skin colour might have been relevant.

Spoiler: Jingo quote

“Look, Nobby, when all’s said and done they ain’t the right colour, and there’s an end to it.”
“Good job you found out, Fred!” said Nobby, so cheerfully that Sergeant Colon was almost sure he meant it.
“Well, it’s obvious,” he conceded.
“Er… what is the right colour?” said Nobby.
“White, of course!”
“Not brick-red, then? ‘Cos you–”
“Are you winding me up, Corporal Nobbs?”
“‘Course not, sarge. So… what colour am I?”
That caused Sergeant Colon to think. You could have found, somewhere on Corporal Nobbs, a shade appropriate to every climate on the disc and a few found only in specialist medical books.
“White’s… white’s a state of, you know… mind,” he said. “It’s like… doing an honest day’s work for an honest day’s pay, that sort of thing. And washing regular.”
“Not lazing around, sort of thing.”
“Right.”
“Or… like… working all hours like Goriff does.”
“Nobby–”
“And you never see those kids of his with dirty clo–”
“Nobby, you’re just trying to get me going, right? You know we’re better’n Klatchians. Otherwise, what’s the point?”

... Have you ever had someone you hated so bad that everything about them that's different from you you also hate just for the sole point of being connected to them? That's what's happening here, not the inverse

 

[AnOminous]

... Have you ever had someone you hated so bad that everything about them that's different from you you also hate just for the sole point of being connected to them? That's what's happening here, not the inverse

I dunno, when I hate someone really bad, I hate the things I have in common with them even worse.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

... Have you ever had someone you hated so bad that everything about them that's different from you you also hate just for the sole point of being connected to them? That's what's happening here, not the inverse

Are you referring to the quote? Because that's really not what's depicted there. It's basic racism, not something localised to the individual or culture. The character has negative views of people of a certain skin colour because of his own prejudices. He's therefore assigning negative traits to people with that skin colour based off his own stereotypes. Had the character been talking about all Klatchians, all Uberwaldians, all any nationality found in the setting then it would be tied to the nation but it's not that, it's specifically their appearance.

Like you said in your earlier post that doesn't need to have been based on skin colour alone and in various other books there are plenty of other nations where the hue of their epidermis does not come up at all but various stereotypes do come up, whether accurate or not. But in the case of this book specifically skin colour is brought up.

 

[TVB]

If it sounds too good to be true, it is. And isn't IGN a "video game journo" site? When did they start reviewing movies?

Since 2007 or earlier

 

[Flexo]

So sounds like everything we predicted about elemental was true.