Why are trannies hated by the rest of the LGBT community?

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Idosometimes sounds like an angry tranny.

By the way: It's gay and lesbian children who are dragged to gender clinics en masse to block their puberty and pump their bodies full of hormones although studies show that they become normal gay and lesbian adults if left alone.

 

[0xBADB17E5]

I have a friend who's MtF and thankfully she's given a wide berth to Tumblr and the like. She doesn't go two seconds without saying how much she's being discriminated, or pointing out at everybody she meets how much of a tranny she is. As far as I know, in fact, she tries to bring it up as little as possible because surprise, she does have a legitimate, diagnosed neurological disorder and just wants to live her life. I'm not going to go ahead and fuck her just because she's female-passing and we've known each other for well over a decade, but this is what brings me to the next point.

In my opinion, the hatred towards transsexual people stems both from how attention-grabbing they're perceived to be, especially the SJW types, and how unnatural they look. Think about it: we, as human beings, have deeply ingrained mechanisms to tell at a glance, no matter the race, whether a person may be healthy or not. We have an active response we have to consciously fight back against every time we see someone with a big, ugly scar on their bodies or any kind of deforming disease or condition, because we know that person is no longer healthy and our instinct tells us to get away. That response is closest first to fear and disgust that we have more or less tamed into something akin to pity, because that's what society dictates to us. Androgyny is confusing, but that's rarely the response most of these trannies entice on normal people. They look weird, deformed... unhealthy. And the way they act merely confirms that gut feeling.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

As an evil cishet shitlord, maybe I'm not best qualified to answer the question, but the impression I get is that including the T with the LBG was an issue of convenience because they were loosely affiliated - discrimination was coming from the same people for largely the same reasons, and trans people weren't morally objectionable like, say, NAMBLA.

Since then, there's been a divergence. The gay rights crowd, on the whole, settled on wanting basic equality and focused on that. I think part of the reason for this was that the Internet didn't really exist for most of the fight, so the people who got the word out were the ones who were more serious and organised, who had to think about what they were doing.

The trans movement has come to the fore more recently, and now every idiot's opinion carries the same weight. So while you have the sensible ones saying, "Can we talk about transphobic violence?", you've also got idiot teenage girls saying, "Someone called me 'Miss' even though I'm 40% male-identifying and 10% angelkin now I'm off to cut myself! #transissues #translivesmatter #whygodwhy" The extreme fringes are as vocal as the sane ones, none of them can come up with a focused goal, and I think a lot of gay activists feel like it's time to unhitch this car from the train.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

There is a video were a detransitioned woman (a woman who was once a trans man) talks about how weird she got during her transition - seeing "violent" transphobia everywhere when being misgendered or when someone questioned her identity and so on. Basically she became an obnoxious crazy tranny like so many others.

 

[sourrascal]

There is a video were a detransitioned woman (a woman who was once a trans man) talks about how weird she got during her transition - seeing "violent" transphobia everywhere when being misgendered or when someone questioned her identity and so on. Basically she became an obnoxious crazy tranny like so many others.

Trannies act like detransitioning NEVER happens or is just a rare occurrence. Sadly with the way being trans is in right now I think there's going to be a lot more cases of people making a regrettable decision.

If you decide you're gay but later change your mind, there isn't that much harm to it. For instance, I knew a girl who was pretty heavily being into lesbian in high school, and she got mad at me once for saying that sexuality could be affected by factors after birth. She said it was disrespectful because her mom would say things like that to demean her lesbianism, and it seems like she was on very bad terms with her parents for being a lesbian. A few years later, I bump into an acquaintance of hers, and he tells me she is dating a guy now. So I think being a true lesbian for her was just a phase. Who knows? Even if it was, saying she was a lesbian didn't really have any long term effect on her.

I read an article (I could find it again if anyone is interested) about a woman who was pushed into transition and got a mastectomy with incredibly little oversight. I guess she could always get surgery again but she'll never have her natural breasts ever. Just awful.

 

[Wallace]

I read an article (I could find it again if anyone is interested) about a woman who was pushed into transition and got a mastectomy with incredibly little oversight. I guess she could always get surgery again but she'll never have her natural breasts ever. Just awful.

For some of our tranny lolcows on this site, could declaring yourself trans be a manifestation of self-loathing? They hate themselves so much, they need to express it in such an outlandish way. It’s done in a way that promotes martyrdom and to attract attention.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

For some of our tranny lolcows on this site, could declaring yourself trans be a manifestation of self-loathing? They hate themselves so much, they need to express it in such an outlandish way. It’s done in a way that promotes martyrdom and to attract attention.

Quite a lot of them seem to misguidedly go tranny because they hate themselves and feel the need to change somehow. Jennifer Diane Reitz is a well-documented example of this: he went crazy encouraging people to transition if they were anything less than the manliest dudes on the planet, but then later admitted transitioning didn't help and he just didn't want a humanoid body at all.

A very good indicator of whether someone is faking (or lying to themselves) is that their actions appear to be based on a pathological hatred of being identified as their original gender, rather than an understanding and desire to fit in with their target gender. It's a big reason why you get rat kings - they can't successfully integrate with the normies, so they just hang out with each other.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Trannies act like detransitioning NEVER happens or is just a rare occurrence. Sadly with the way being trans is in right now I think there's going to be a lot more cases of people making a regrettable decision.

This doesn't worry me so much, because it seems to me that most of the transtrenders are either too young to get SRS or are so fucked in the head in other ways that they'd never get through the psych exams. For all people seem to think that doctors are obliged to go with whatever you've decided your gender is, they really aren't. What I would hope is that the rise in transtrenders will also bring about more stringent guidelines for doctors dealing with those claiming to be trans.

If you decide you're gay but later change your mind, there isn't that much harm to it. For instance, I knew a girl who was pretty heavily being into lesbian in high school, and she got mad at me once for saying that sexuality could be affected by factors after birth. She said it was disrespectful because her mom would say things like that to demean her lesbianism, and it seems like she was on very bad terms with her parents for being a lesbian. A few years later, I bump into an acquaintance of hers, and he tells me she is dating a guy now. So I think being a true lesbian for her was just a phase. Who knows? Even if it was, saying she was a lesbian didn't really have any long term effect on her.

Yeah, I remember about ten or twelve years ago, there was a bit of a fad for fake bisexuality, which I think came from the same place as the transtrenders - a formerly vilified minority group (homosexuals) were now largely accepted, but were still "outside" enough to be chic, and you too could be part of this exciting new opportunity to be cool and oppressed. At the same time, I knew a couple of fake lesbians - bisexuals for whom bisexuality was no longer cool enough now everybody was claiming to be one.

 

[Wallace]

Yeah, I remember about ten or twelve years ago, there was a bit of a fad for fake bisexuality, which I think came from the same place as the transtrenders - a formerly vilified minority group (homosexuals) were now largely accepted, but were still "outside" enough to be chic, and you too could be part of this exciting new opportunity to be cool and oppressed.

Ah yes, "metrosexual". Truly, the 00's were a dark time. I'm old enough to remember the early 90's, when the cool lefty trend was environmentalism. How'd that turn out?

I think a lot of genderspecials are in a similar spot, desperate to identify themselves as "not cis", just because it's hip and trendy.

 

[sourrascal]

This doesn't worry me so much, because it seems to me that most of the transtrenders are either too young to get SRS or are so fucked in the head in other ways that they'd never get through the psych exams. For all people seem to think that doctors are obliged to go with whatever you've decided your gender is, they really aren't. What I would hope is that the rise in transtrenders will also bring about more stringent guidelines for doctors dealing with those claiming to be trans.

As much as trannies complain about gatekeeping, it seems very lax these days. As long as you don't seem completely crazy, I think there are ton of therapists who would sign off on SRS or whatever. If you have some time to listen to the youtube video above, the woman mentioned she was cleared for HRT after two sessions with a therapist. Then she went to an informed consent clinic. It's bizarre - people can't take SSRIs on their own, but you can get hormones no problem. I also know someone who goes to an informed consent clinic despite being fucked in the head. A lot of transtrenders are merely troubled kids, not obvious crazies like ADF or Chris chan. And I think there are some therapists who would clear CWC for HRT anyways. It's fucked.

Yeah, I remember about ten or twelve years ago, there was a bit of a fad for fake bisexuality, which I think came from the same place as the transtrenders - a formerly vilified minority group (homosexuals) were now largely accepted, but were still "outside" enough to be chic, and you too could be part of this exciting new opportunity to be cool and oppressed. At the same time, I knew a couple of fake lesbians - bisexuals for whom bisexuality was no longer cool enough now everybody was claiming to be one.

idk there are still lots of "fake" bisexuality. In fact, I think more people than ever are starting to identify as bisexual these days. I think most women are somewhat bisexual, but I don't think they would really want to pursue a female partner or get involved in the lesbian community.

Sexual orientation is weird. Remember the term homosexual didn't exist until the 1800s or so and people didn't have the modern conception of sexual orientation back then.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Quite a lot of them seem to misguidedly go tranny because they hate themselves and feel the need to change somehow.

Nowadays - being trans is seen as the reason for mental health problems like depression, self harming and so on - not as a symptom of an illness. That means that people transition in an attempt to cure themselves. But it doesn't work and they end up as just another crazy tranny while their mental helth gets worse.

 

[polonium]

No true Scotsman, huh?

Nope, that's not even similar to what i said, so i guesss improve your reading comprehension before engaging the adults.

 

[Urban Superstition]

Nowadays - being trans is seen as the reason for mental health problems like depression, self harming and so on - not as a symptom of an illness. That means that people transition in an attempt to cure themselves. But it doesn't work and they end up as just another crazy tranny while their mental helth gets worse.

One could argue that their other mental illnesses are caused by the circumstances around being transgender (e.g., being transgender made them get bullied/abused/etc, and then they developed a host of mental illnesses because of that).

However, there's no denying that other mental problems themselves can cause someone to think they are/should be a different gender. People with an unstable sense of identity like those afflicted with BPD may try to find themselves by becoming a man or a woman or declaring that they're a demi-xeno-reverse-boy, even when there are bigger problems festering under that.

And of course, there are the psychotic ones who are just out of touch with reality.

 

[AnOminous]

idk there are still lots of "fake" bisexuality.

Like the enby bullshit, it's a way you can claim to be somehow queer without actually having to take any dicks in the ass or anything you might not like. But you get to claim to be oppressed anyway.

 

[ScrewTheRules]

There are three types of mentally ill trannies: those who are mentally ill because they're trans, those who are trans because they are mentally ill, and those whose mental illness and transness are unrelated.
There are measures taken to keep the second one from transitioning under the NHS, but there isn't a huge amount that can be done for those who can afford to go private, and there is always one asshole who lies to the nice doctor at the gender clinic. Just be prepared to point and laugh at the idiots who get HRT/SRS despite KNOWING they aren't trans for the tumblr oppression points, because they really do bring it upon themselves.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Same reason everybody else seems to hate them, it's outside of their comfort zone and they don't understand it. Most people think of gender in very strict either/or terms and the idea that such a rigid dichotomy doesn't apply to some people strikes them as off in the sense that they don't take it seriously and think these people must be mentally ill or something. At worst they think they're violating some sort of societal taboo about how men/women are "supposed" to act and why.

I never really understood hating trans people in general. It's such a complete non-issue and it only impacts the people living it. We're talking like, less than 1% of the population here. Most people probably haven't even met a trans person. And if they have they probably didn't even notice outside of thinking "hey that's a kind of manly looking woman". For some reason though our culture is obsessed with telling other people how they should look at themselves. Whether transexuality has some sort of genetic cause, whether its psychological, whether it's a mix of both, is legitimately nobody's business but the individuals in question. Ironically you'd think homosexuals would understand this more than most, but it turns out no, they don't.

Yeah, I remember about ten or twelve years ago, there was a bit of a fad for fake bisexuality, which I think came from the same place as the transtrenders - a formerly vilified minority group (homosexuals) were now largely accepted, but were still "outside" enough to be chic, and you too could be part of this exciting new opportunity to be cool and oppressed. At the same time, I knew a couple of fake lesbians - bisexuals for whom bisexuality was no longer cool enough now everybody was claiming to be one.

If you want the real analog to that "bisexual until graduation" shit it's "genderqueer", which is legitimately fucking nothing as far as I can tell other than a hipster being really specific about pronouns. People can do whatever the hell they want, but everytime I meet somebody who throws that one at me I have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. "Listen, I know I look, act, speak, and dress like a woman stereotypically does, I know I have a vagina, but I'm actually NOTHING and you need to respect that!"

It appears to be an identity built around semantics

 

[sourrascal]

People act like trannies only hurt themselves. But then they get mad when:

• women don't want to see sissies in the bathroom
• people don't want to sleep with them
• you don't ask what everybody's pronouns are
• you think that transitioning kids isn't a good idea
• you don't think they are 100% a man or woman
• you don't respect them for enforcing gender stereotypes
• you don't think they are the most oppressed blameless minority on earth
• you don't want to listen to their whining

idk I don't think the trans right movements has been completely positive. I think there's been an increase in the amount of gender dysphoria people feel even though society has been more accepting than ever.

 

[Ariel]

Gender dysmorphia is co-morbid with other psychological illnesses that make people hard to deal with.

 

[Wallace]

Gender dysmorphia is co-morbid with other psychological illnesses that make people hard to deal with.

Question is, are those co-morbid illnesses symptoms of gender dysmorphia, or the cause?

 

[ScrewTheRules]

Question is, are those co-morbid illnesses symptoms of gender dysmorphia, or the cause?

There are three types of mentally ill trannies: those who are mentally ill because they're trans, those who are trans because they are mentally ill, and those whose mental illness and transness are unrelated.