Why are trannies hated by the rest of the LGBT community?

[Salzig]

Believing yourself to be a different gender than you really are is not sane. Sane trannies is an oxymoron.

What I mean by 'sane tranny' is someone who gets their shit fixed and carries on with life. There are millions of trannies out there and they're not all on tumblr so there's gotta be some ones with thought.

 

[Stardust]

Many in the LGB-part feel it isn't their fight, if you want my simple optimistic opinion. But if you prefer a more cynical opinion, it would be this: the trans-community is a sore spot, and makes it harder for the LGBs to achieve their goals via the majority.

The times I've seriously discussed this, one of those two conclusions are, usually, what it boils down to, at least when it comes to those on the fence or not so inclusive of the T in LGBT. On one hand I get where they're coming from, and can even understand the throwing someone under the bus to get on that bus, but on the other hand the delicious irony that goes over so many of their heads, amuses me. In a macabre sort of way.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Many in the LGB-part feel it isn't their fight, if you want my simple optimistic opinion. But if you prefer a more cynical opinion, it would be this: the trans-community is a sore spot, and makes it harder for the LGBs to achieve their goals via the majority.

The times I've seriously discussed this, one of those two conclusions are, usually, what it boils down to, at least when it comes to those on the fence or not so inclusive of the T in LGBT. On one hand I get where they're coming from, and can even understand the throwing someone under the bus to get on that bus, but on the other hand the delicious irony that goes over so many of their heads, amuses me. In a macabre sort of way.

Yeah, that's what I think gets me. How did gay rights get conflated with the trans issue? To me at least, the connection seems tangential at best.

 

[Dan Abrams]

What I mean by 'sane tranny' is someone who gets their shit fixed and carries on with life. There are millions of trannies out there and they're not all on tumblr so there's gotta be some ones with thought.

"Getting your shit fixed and carrying on with your life" is a pretty simplistic answer to this problem. We can't fix gender dysphoria and it fucks people up mentally. The suicide rates in pre-op and post-op gender reassignment surgery patients are about the same and transgendered people in general suffer from depression and drug addiction at far higher rates than the general population.

If you honestly believe you are the wrong gender then you are just as mentally ill as a schizophrenic who thinks Barack Obama is talking to them through the TV. It's sad and I hope in the future we'll have an actual (non-surgical) way to fix it. Of course, by then, you'll probably have trans people claiming that trying to fix gender dysphoria is a form of genocide or something.

Gender is such a large component of who you are that it's not something that you can just shrug off and be "okay" if you have these problems.

 

[Joan Nyan]

"Getting your shit fixed and carrying on with your life" is a pretty simplistic answer to this problem. We can't fix gender dysphoria and it fucks people up mentally. The suicide rates in pre-op and post-op gender reassignment surgery patients are about the same and transgendered people in general suffer from depression and drug addiction at far higher rates than the general population.

If you honestly believe you are the wrong gender then you are just as mentally ill as a schizophrenic who thinks Barack Obama is talking to them through the TV. It's sad and I hope in the future we'll have an actual (non-surgical) way to fix it. Of course, by then, you'll probably have trans people claiming that trying to fix gender dysphoria is a form of genocide or something.

Gender is such a large component of who you are that it's not something that you can just shrug off and be "okay" if you have these problems.

Exactly, the cure to believing something that is clearly untrue (whether it's that the radio is talking to you or that you're a different gender than you are) is not for everyone else to pat you on the back and tell you that your delusion is true, it's therapy and medication.

 

[Salzig]

"Getting your shit fixed and carrying on with your life" is a pretty simplistic answer to this problem. We can't fix gender dysphoria and it fucks people up mentally. The suicide rates in pre-op and post-op gender reassignment surgery patients are about the same and transgendered people in general suffer from depression and drug addiction at far higher rates than the general population.

If you honestly believe you are the wrong gender then you are just as mentally ill as a schizophrenic who thinks Barack Obama is talking to them through the TV. It's sad and I hope in the future we'll have an actual (non-surgical) way to fix it. Of course, by then, you'll probably have trans people claiming that trying to fix gender dysphoria is a form of genocide or something.

Gender is such a large component of who you are that it's not something that you can just shrug off and be "okay" if you have these problems.

There are varying levels of shit fixed, is my point. I think that having gender dysphoria is pretty crippling as far as conditions go, and most trannies aren't gonna turn normie once their willies are inside out/tits chopped off. But if it keeps them from killing themselves and it relieves their gender dysphoria enough so they can hold down a job, that's 'fixed' enough for me.

I could be wrong, though. Have a source/link to those stats?

 

[AnOminous]

I could be wrong, though. Have a source/link to those stats?

The stats are controversial but they're cited a lot by psychiatrist Paul McHugh, one of the primary medical opponents of SRS. He claims suicide rates spike something like ten years after transition and that outcomes are no better than doing nothing, and that therefore, such surgeries should not be performed.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I remember reading a paper many years ago, before being a tranny was envouge, that SRS wasn't the be all cure simply because most individuals who suffer from "gender disphoria" also tend to suffer from a host of other conditions.

the patient tends to fixate on SRS as the cure to their unhappy lives but after the surgery was complete their lives didn't miraculously get 100% better they go into a tailspin.

Turns out chopping off your dick/tits and pretending to be something your not doesn't grant you pure happiness, who'd a thunk it.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

Yeah, that's what I think gets me. How did gay rights get conflated with the trans issue? To me at least, the connection seems tangential at best.

I think the main reason we have the T in the LGBT is that transgender folks used to be conflated very often with gay folks, and they would inhabit the same general communities (drag shows and such). Now we're very aware of the difference, but the communities have such a long history together that many of them see no reason to separate.

Just an educated guess, though.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

the patient tends to fixate on SRS as the cure to their unhappy lives but after the surgery was complete their lives didn't miraculously get 100% better they go into a tailspin.

Well, if you dangle a carrot stick in front of yourself for several years, and when you finally get that stick you realize it is not some romantic fantasy, you are going to have some problems. It sounds like dopamine fixation and is kind of similar to Chris-Chan's life upgrade. I am not saying this is true for all trannies, I am just saying that this is behaviour only emotionally unintelligent people engage in. I have also seen this way of life in the mainstream community; materialistic people place a high value on opulence and luxury and when they finally achieve it, they ask themselves, "Is that It?" A lot of the suicide can just be from people who are emotionally uneducated about life in general. As well, this suicide spike could be happening because everyone is so content on telling someone that they're trans because of stupid reasons such as: liking the color pink, enjoying certain TV shows, or because they might effeminate. Trying to throw propaganda at impressionable and developing youth is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Hypodermic Johnny]

The shortest and simplest explanation, I've found:

People, regardless of their ideological leanings, are scared of things they don't understand. People hate being scared. Ergo, people hate what they don't understand.

 

[MW 002]

Probably because trannies often have cohabiting mental illnesses and as a result, many times end up wrecking havoc in interpersonal relationships. I'm mostly basing this off of personal experience from the majority of trannies I have met- most of them have Borderline Personality Disorder, which in a nutshell means they're emotionally unstable people obsessed with self identity along with a massive fear of abandonment (I'm aware BPD is a lot more complicated than that, I'm just giving a really brief definition). Because of such, it's not uncommon for them to get into legal trouble due to their emotional instability- hence why there's an overwhelming number of them who have criminal records. #Obviouslynotalltrannies

Because of their cohabiting mental illnesses along with gender dysphoria, a good portion of the LGB movement doesn't want to be associated with them (they did after all spend seventy years establishing that homosexuality/bisexuality isn't a mental disorder). It's understandable; gender dysphoria in itself is a mental illness no matter how you slice it whereas homosexuality is natural since it is observable in nature.

Power level: having been in and out of the psychiatric hospital for the last four years, I have a hard time not seeing MtFs as violent and emotionally unstable. Many of them were pretty violent towards staff and myself

 

[Zoobles]

If you're gay, you gotta suck dick to earn the title. If you're lesbian, you gotta eat some pussy. If you're bi, you gotta do both. But if you're trans, you only have to make a tumblr post about it.

 

[Terrorist]

Because they're poseurs. They're trying to be something they never can be. This rubs people the wrong way because people, in general, don't like dishonesty. They also don't like being forced to accept dishonesty either.

And when it's a group of abrasive, mentally ill, sexually depraved social rejects who vocally hate them doing the forcing, they super, super don't like it, because why should they listen to those people? They think, "That smelly fat man in bondage gear who shat on a holocaust memorial insists on being called a latina woman-and we're supposed to believe him? What the hell?"

When crazy people used to think they were Napoleon, society locked them up- so why would it welcome people who think they're the opposite gender? Politics is the sole reason. If there was no T after the LGB, nobody would give trannies the time of day, because nobody likes a poseur, especially one broken enough to believe their own lies. For the sake of your own social acceptance, you don't want to be associated with poseurs, hence why the rest of the lgbt community hates them.

And that's not even getting into ethical or scientific reasons against- but that basic thought process is what I think can answer your question.

 

[Jubileus]

I'm sure there are all kinds of erudite and insightful answers to this. Mine tend to get more visceral and probably even downright mean.

Being gay, I have sex with men. Not dickgirls. Not twatboys. I don't want a dick attached to something that looks like a girl. I don't want a vagina anywhere near me in any context. Stop lecturing at me for keeping with my wiring on this, I'm really very certain I'm not interested.

When the 6'6" guy who played football in high school and who is married to a woman and has five kids with her comes out and transitions, give me some fucking time and space to adjust to it. The actual people involved were understanding of this, having far more important adjustments of their own to go through, but "misgendering" pronouns in conveying the information to some other friends got me shouted at by an obnoxious not-even-invited-to-the-conversation tumblrina not even old enough to legally be having the drink she was holding. When the non-trender Ts themselves sometimes (rarely, I guess) are okay, their white knights are fucking atrocious and need to fuck off.

I'm spectacle-averse, believe it or not. I came out as a teenager in the 90's, when AIDS was still absolutely fucking terrifying, DADT and DOMA were made the law of the land, and it wasn't fucking popular or attractive to admit to such things in polite company. Pride parades have always made me cringe, but since most of them to contain to specific places I don't bitch about it because I simply don't go there. Today's T's, though, are basically a big loud pile of spectacle in the majority it seems, whereas the spectacle was a minority for L & G despite what those e-mail ads for Providence, Key West, and Mykonos vacations want to paint the picture as.

I feel for the genuinely dysphoric who just want to lead normal lives while dealing with their condition, and I hope they can find their way through a sea of answers that change from correct to incorrect on an almost daily basis. I absolutely loathe the 'trenders and the open-flaunting autogynephiliacs and the attention sluts. They make something already confusing into absolute fucking chaos, and they revel in it.

Rather than there being a split in LGB vs. T, though, I think a good part of the split is "normal life" versus "weird life" LGBT. It's like something out of the Rapp couple's ramblings about wanting weird and crazy lives without being judged for it or having to face consequences for it. I'll happily admit to being a "sellout" if it makes those kinds of folks happy, even though I made my way in a manner they all supposedly embrace and support before switching to a boring life of my own. I define myself; I refuse to be defined by their weirdness, I have plenty of my own that doesn't demand exhibitionism like theirs apparently does.

 

[MW 002]

Also going to post this link here, because it's important: http://violenttransarchives.tumblr.com

Most Transmen (fTm) are usually a lot more chill to be around than Transwomen- but that's just an observation. Funny thing that the gender activists ignore is the fact that Transmen are a lot more likely to face assault than Transwomen are- but of course, to them I guess Transmen don't count because they have an easier time passing for the most part.

I also had a friend who was in a relationship with a Transwoman for two years before leaving because the tranny in question had continuously beat her during chimp outs- and they blamed it on her being a cis-scum of course

 

[Flareon]

Like has been said, gender dysphoria usually has a slew of other disorders to go along with it.
That, and the craziest ones are always the loudest.

 

[Melkor]

Also going to post this link here, because it's important: http://violenttransarchives.tumblr.com

Most Transmen (fTm) are usually a lot more chill to be around than Transwomen- but that's just an observation. Funny thing that the gender activists ignore is the fact that Transmen are a lot more likely to face assault than Transwomen are- but of course, to them I guess Transmen don't count because they have an easier time passing for the most part.

I also had a friend who was in a relationship with a Transwoman for two years before leaving because the tranny in question had continuously beat her during chimp outs- and they blamed it on her being a cis-scum of course

I believe this as well. But I also believe that being transgender is seen as the new "hip and happening thing" nowadays and you get people like Locria Courtright, ADF, and Buffalo Bill who jump on the bandwagon for the sake of oppression points.

Are there sane mtfs out there? Sure, but I can't really name a lot off the top of my head. Blair White comes to mind but that's it.

People care less about ftms because they mostly think they're just women who are denying their femininity or have penis envy, and they think they face the least amount of oppression compared to mtfs because they have male privilege. But then you see instances where a trans man is raped by someone to correct their gender dysphoria. Corrective rape doesn't only happen to gays or lesbians.

But wait! Trans men still aren't as oppressed as trans women! /sneed

It's just a gigantic can of worms at this point. An actual transgender person is better off slipping under the radar rather than shrieking about their identity from the top of a sky scraper. Live a year as the gender you want to identify as, start therapy, get HRT, (maybe) get SRS, and get legal documents changed.

But I digress.

 

[MW 002]

I believe this as well. But I also believe that being transgender is seen as the new "hip and happening thing" nowadays and you get people like Locria Courtright, ADF, and Buffalo Bill who jump on the bandwagon for the sake of oppression points.

Are there sane mtfs out there? Sure, but I can't really name a lot off the top of my head. Blair White comes to mind but that's it.

People care less about ftms because they mostly think they're just women who are denying their femininity or have penis envy, and they think they face the least amount of oppression compared to mtfs because they have male privilege. But then you see instances where a trans man is raped by someone to correct their gender dysphoria. Corrective rape doesn't only happen to gays or lesbians.

But wait! Trans men still aren't as oppressed as trans women! /sneed

It's just a gigantic can of worms at this point. An actual transgender person is better off slipping under the radar rather than shrieking about their identity from the top of a sky scraper. Live a year as the gender you want to identify as, start therapy, get HRT, (maybe) get SRS, and get legal documents changed.

But I digress.

Yeah I'm with you on Blaire White being the only sane transwoman I can think of- but I think her having gotten actual treatment for gender dysphoria (which is apparently still on going) instead of diving into the victim complex plays a pretty big role in over all behaviour. Probably also because her being transgender isn't a huge deal, mainly because she doesn't have any need to make it as such (usually, she only really brings it up to make a joke- because she still has a sense of humour).

I reckon some SJWs on my Facebook claiming that Transmen have plenty of privilege because they usually have an easier time passing off as male... Although that's usually because they put some actual effort into looking like men, even without hormonal therapy- whereas I've seen countless Transwomen shriek about being "misgendered" while having a five o clock shadow and not at least try to dress in the way your average woman dresses. Their usual reason? 'Cause gender roles are apparently super oppressive and promote trans-misogyny or some shit like that.

Honestly, don't get mad about being "misgendered" if you don't even put in the most minut (spelling?) effort into looking remotely like the gender you claim to be.

Also to address another point, which has been brought up earlier- for some reason, Transwomen are often fixated on wanting to date lesbians. Whenever Transmen bitch about gays not wanting to date them, they usually get -rightfully- called out on their homophobia... But if a transwoman bitches about lesbians not wanting to fuck them, somehow it's not homophobia?

I mean shit, why can't these people simply date bisexuals?

http://www.autostraddle.com/im-a-tr...erested-in-being-one-of-the-good-ones-172570/ Also, this kind of attitude that Transwomen have is extremely off putting.

 

[Melkor]

Yeah I'm with you on Blaire White being the only sane transwoman I can think of- but I think her having gotten actual treatment for gender dysphoria (which is apparently still on going) instead of diving into the victim complex plays a pretty big role in over all behaviour. Probably also because her being transgender isn't a huge deal, mainly because she doesn't have any need to make it as such (usually, she only really brings it up to make a joke- because she still has a sense of humour).

I reckon some SJWs on my Facebook claiming that Transmen have plenty of privilege because they usually have an easier time passing off as male... Although that's usually because they put some actual effort into looking like men, even without hormonal therapy- whereas I've seen countless Transwomen shriek about being "misgendered" while having a five o clock shadow and not at least try to dress in the way your average woman dresses. Their usual reason? 'Cause gender roles are apparently super oppressive and promote trans-misogyny or some shit like that.

Honestly, don't get mad about being "misgendered" if you don't even put in the most minut (spelling?) effort into looking remotely like the gender you claim to be.

Also to address another point, which has been brought up earlier- for some reason, Transwomen are often fixated on wanting to date lesbians. Whenever Transmen bitch about gays not wanting to date them, they usually get -rightfully- called out on their homophobia... But if a transwoman bitches about lesbians not wanting to fuck them, somehow it's not homophobia?

I mean shit, why can't these people simply date bisexuals?

http://www.autostraddle.com/im-a-tr...erested-in-being-one-of-the-good-ones-172570/ Also, this kind of attitude that Transwomen have is extremely off putting.

That or if you're like the rat king, you date other trans women so you can wank your girlcocks together.