SCOTUS OVERTURNED RACE BASED COLLEGE ADMISSIONS

[MirnaMinkoff]

I think the point everyone is missing is this isn't really about blacks in Harvard, but they are being scapegoated and it's an easy target for race baiting. But it's not going to make much difference to white students, this is about Asian parents mad that their kid didn't get into Harvard, or whatever Ivy League school momma wanted them in. They felt (maybe correctly) they would have made it over the line had it not been for Affirmative Action policies because they had the necessary test scores and grades on paper to be admitted.

Asian schooling, for centuries, was based upon passing exams. All schooling was in China until 1900 was preparing for arcane civil service exams. So when Asians see you need this ACT/SAT score, and this criteria, they knock it out of the park. Harvard and the other Ivies got sick of the influx of Asian students and used Affirmative Action as a way to help prevent the schools from becoming majority Asian. Ja'Mizel got with good scores while Yeng Lo was denied with excellent scores.

Notice the first pivot announced at these school in the wake of the decision is to say they will now highly weight personal essays. Which is a lethal blow to Sen Yung Lo's momma because their skills aren't moving or inspirational, just perfect grammar.

I'm not sure how many of you have hung around near any Ivy League campus, but there isn't some huge population of black students, at all. There is a huge influx of Asian and Asian-American students. (This includes the UK version of Asian too - people from India.)

Little known fact, Appalachian Americans (white and black) where considered a marginalized group that got preference too.

 

[Still Exceptional]

Found a great thread on Twitter about the sort of suboptimal tards that Affirmative Action inflicts on society featuring the New York Times' original posternigger for how great affirmative action is. I'm leaving the formatting as it is because I can't be fucked to decide on what gets turned into which paragraphs, so I'm quoting for length.
Link to the Twitter thread/Link to Threadreaderapp

The most perfect (and almost unbelievable) metaphor for affirmative action: The lives of Allan Bakke (a white guy who challenged racial quotas at UC Davis) and Patrick Chavis (a black guy admitted to UC Davis under affirmative action the year Bakke was rejected).

After Bakke won his SCOTUS case in 1978 (which ended the use of *overt* racial quotas in university admissions), he finally was accepted at UC Davis medical school. He graduated and eventually began practicing medicine. He kept a low profile, and didn't give interviews.

Years later, the NY Times, still stinging from Bakke's victory, published a long and glowing account of a “thriving” black UC Davis medical school graduate named Patrick Chavis, noting how he had benefited from the school's old affirmative action quota system.

Dr. Chavis' story was also featured on TV programs, and senator Ted Kennedy called him a “perfect example” of affirmative action. It was even suggested that Dr. Chavis had achieved more than Dr. Bakke, who graduated a few years after Chavis at UC-Davis.

State Senator Tom (“Mr. Jane Fonda”) Hayden asked his fellow Californians: “Who made the most of his medical school education? From whom did California taxpayers benefit more?"


Here's Dr. Chavis. He seems nice, doesn't he?


But Dr. Chavis wasn't nice — he was a terrible and spectacularly incompetent doctor, and perhaps, if this is possible, an even worse human being. If the fawning reporter for the Times had done his job and just asked around a little, he would have gotten an earful.

At the very least, the reporter might have at least been bothered to go down to the court house and dig up records that showed that Dr. Chavis had been sued for malpractice twenty-one times, and had paid settlements on some of those suits.

But when the NYT has a thesis as important as this one, it usually doesn't want to be hobbled by contradicting evidence or cognitive dissonance.

Highlights from Dr. Chavis' storied medical career included botched operations at his clinic which killed patients and left others in permanent pain, and — this is rather striking — hiding a patient in his home for two days after she nearly bled to death at his clinic.

Dr. Chavis' incompetence and disregard for human life finally caught up with him in 1997 when a patient bled to death after he performed a “fly-by-night liposuction” on her and then “disappeared.”

Patients later said they were afraid to report him because of his celebrity.

With an obviously dead patient and a conspicuously missing doctor on their hands, the California Medical Board California finally acted. Later, that same year, they revoked Dr. Chavis' license.

In their decision, it cited the doctor's "inability to perform some of the most basic duties required of a physician" and his "poor impulse control and insensitivity to patients' pain."

Special weight was given to that last item.

A tape recording surfaced of Dr. Chavis chanting "liar, liar, pants on fire” at his patients while they screamed in agony — an extremely idiosyncratic way, to say the least, of soothing them and expressing disbelief at their claims of excruciating pain.

All told, the California Medical Board brought 90 counts of misconduct and “gross negligence” — probably fair to say a bludgeoning of the Hippocratic Oath — against “the perfect example” of affirmative action.

If you're finding any of this a little hard to believe, well, I can't say I blame you — it *does*strain credulity.

But wait, it actually gets weirder — PREDICTABLY weirder.

Because, you know, racism.

That's right, the truly lousy doctor and even lousier human being, now-just-plain-Mr. Patrick Chavis, reached into his back pocket and pulled out the race card, blaming his bad fortune on a particularly virulent strain of structural oppression — “white envy.”

That sounds interesting. Maybe something the NY Times might want to investigate?

You'd think so, but no — this time the suspiciously silent Times didn't feel it necessary to send a reporter to Cali to capture the thoughts and feelings of its former cover boy.

So whatever happened to Allan Bakke? Dr. Bakke is retired, finishing his career the way he started it, quietly and with integrity — as an anaesthesiologist at the world-renowned Mayo Clinic.

Postscript: Patrick Chavis was murdered by carjackers on the streets of Hawthorne, California in 2002, at the age of fifty. He had gone out for an ice cream cone.

Bakke decision legacy: Very little changed in the UC system. It continues to quietly practice (and quietly celebrate) institutional racism against whites and (especially) Asians.

Just ask the Korean kid who got a 1530 SAT and didn't get in, and the Hispanic with a 960, who did.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

The only legal theory that has any merit is textualism. Like, if we're supposed to know what the law means, you'd think you'd look at what the text says and what the idea/intentions behind those words was, right? But that's controversial to leftists, who invented out of whole cloth a "Living Document" theory that says that the words don't mean what anyone thought they meant, they should be radically reinterpreted as far as you can stretch them, or even farther, to do and allow things based on how much you want them and not based on what laws are actually on the books.

The left's main and favorite legal theory, in a roundabout way, basically is: "the law is whatever we think is good for society." That's really it. They intellectualize it in their pretentious faggy way as they do to justify the bullshit and then try to shame and claim anyone who doubts this idea is an idiot. You argue against it publicly, the only responses will be smug insults about how great legal minds agree with them and you're just a pleb.

Imagine having a book of rules and knowing that the words don't mean anything, it's how authority is going to creatively interpret those words to get what they want. If you don't know what the law means only up until someone creatively interprets it, you don't have a law, you have the say of authority.

And that's exactly what liberals want. Just like Ketanji Ooga Booga Brown's opinions--preciously light on actual law, full of authority and pleading.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

Little known fact, Appalachian Americans (white and black) where considered a marginalized group that got preference too.

Appalachian isn’t a race

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Appalachian isn’t a race

No shit, but they were considered a "minority group" and/or worthy of special consideration due to poverty levels and the history of economic hardship in the Appalachians plus the low overall student applications/ higher education attainment from the region in general to the elite schools. There is a big void for student applications from those states outside the region. Most kids in the region think they can only afford or get scholarships to in-state schools and they are usually right about the "afford" part of the equation.

I believe most white liberals on the coasts would be far more vocally prejudiced against a white guy from Tenn or Arkansas than any POC. It would be great if southerners or appalachians could be designated as a minority groups worthy of special protections due to rampant liberal prejudice against them. You can insult poor rural white people all day, but if you used the same language towards any POC it would get you shitcanned and canceled.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

No shit, but they were considered a "minority group" and/or worthy of special consideration due to history of economic hardship in the Appalachians and low overall student applications/ higher education attainment from the region in general.

I don’t see how that has anything to do with race based admissions. Geography isn’t a protected class, so calm down.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I'm glad the Court ruled this way, but it does leave a bitter taste in my mouth that it took ching-chong whining about this to get it changed after sixty straight years of Whites being second class citizens in their own land.

Only when conservative's heckin chinkerinos complained did they do anything about it.

I'll tell you this all too, I don't particularly want to live under the boot of Asian-Americans even if they are good overlords.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

but it does leave a bitter taste in my mouth that it took ching-chong whining about this to get it changed after sixty straight years of Whites being second class citizens in their own land.

What leaves a bitter taste in my mouth is that this lawsuit was originally filled in 2014, nearly a decade ago.

 

[Thomas Talus]

If the Ivies want to matriculate as much of the talented tenth as possible, they can actually do some legwork, start up talent scouting programs, and go into the inner-city schools to interview and do preliminary tests for students with potential. I don't doubt they'd be able to find a decent number who could hack it and for whom it would be a genuine opportunity. I don't even care if they target "underprivileged urban communities" disproportionately, as long as the students who do get through are the ones who have the grades/scores/indicia of likelihood of success. But that would require doing work instead of looking at which boxes were checked on the application, so they don't wanna. And they have no grounds to complain about the costs of anything when they have tens of billions sitting around in their endowments.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Justice Dankula is back!

 

[Ghostse]

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I think the point everyone is missing is this isn't really about blacks in Harvard, but they are being scapegoated and it's an easy target for race baiting.

No one has mentioned Jews being 2% of the population but something like 25% of ivy league enrollment, and nigger preference was a smoke screen to mask that, because they fear having to compete with chinks.

The Jew fears the Samurai.

Little known fact, Appalachian Americans (white and black) where considered a marginalized group that got preference too.

This is still kosher.
Using socioeconomic status is still fine. You can say "we are setting asside 10% of enrollment for people from families below the poverty line" and that is 100% allowed. What isn't allowed is saying "Blacks are disadvantaged so we're giving every nigger who applies 100 enrollment points" and saying your commitment to equality is done. Rich black kids don't get to cut the line in front of poor white (And asian) ones anymore. California's state colleges can't use race quotas to prioritize spics.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Doing it based purely on admission test scores plus higshchool grades is the best way to go. Rich kids from private schools will still get most of the spots and scholarships even if they don't need them like it literally happens everywhere where such systems are implemented. Posh kids from private school and with private tutors will have an edge but what can you do.
At least there is a semblance of meritocracy because a poorfag could potentially still suceed academically enough to snatch a place and also rich faga can't just buy their way in but have to work for it too.

 

[Hyperbola]

Meritocracy may beat the alternatives, but it's fundamentally palliative for a shitty situation: Your kids are dispossessed serfs in the nation that their grandparents built and owned. They are knife fighting each other for seats on the lifeboat out of corporate slavery. There are no family farms and small businesses and free professions to go back to, only positions, high and low, in shitty ossified centralized hierarchies.

The Chinese civilization seems (from my limited knowledge) to have landed in the same trap (and then doubled down on it for centuries): It's great that the imperial exam is "meritocratic" (gamed to hell and back, but what can you do?), but when did your society turn into a Darwinian Red-Queens race for some microscopic scraps of officially approved "opportunity"?

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

If black and Latino students aren't putting in the effort to get good grades and solid test scores, they don't belong in college.

They'd rather whine about self-perceived oppression and e-beg for gibs and reparations.

More seriously, these groups will continue to be "under represented" until they do more to collectively take their education serious and hold schools accountable when they fail to deliver whethere via incompetence or indifference ( , I know).

I left for another job, so I'm not sure how many came back for sophmore year, but this was how utterly and completely unready they were.

I'd be curious if the school had any sort of support program in place for these students or simply left them to fend for themselves. The university I attended had a program in place for people (mostly minorities) that were admitted with one or more academic standards below average so that they had access to the resources they needed to acclimate to college academic standards and give them a chance to be successful if they took advantage of it. I also believe there were mandatory tutorial sessions until they hit a minimum yet easily attainable GPA.

You'd think an affirmative action hire would have to recuse herself on an affirmative action case.

I thought she had to recuse herself from the Harvard case because of her ties to the school prior to becoming a justice.

How will this ruling work with historically black universities? They've never really been able to just turn non-blacks away (as evidenced by the 2 year degree I got there) but it's very, very obvious by the term "historically black college" and by the fact that the majority of faculty and students are black that there's an obvious push to get a specific demographic going to these schools.

I think the HBCUs will continue with business as usuall. They might not actively recruit whites and other minorities, but they will still admit some while focusing on black students. I don't think that will change.

Gee, here's an idea, strip off any personally identifiable information, and just evaluate each anonymized applicant solely on the basis of their GPA, test scores, and extracurriculars.

"BUT THAT WILL DISCRIMINATE AGAINST NEGROES AND LATINKSES!"

This has been my opinion for quite some time. Admissions agents don't need to know if candidate 23-ABC-9876 is a white male, or a BIPOC person of gender. So long as the candidate has sufficient academic credentials, an offer/acceptance letter should be sent.

Forced diversity rarely works as intended. So why not try to achieve it more organically. If blacks, latinos, and other underrepresented groups want a college education, the onus is on them to show they have the sufficent academic aptitude and background to be admitted to college. If nothing else, they can always go to the local community college and transfer in with an associates. For many students, it's easier to be admitted that way than as an incoming freshman.

 

[Tumbo II]

Affirmative Action is Racist yet Liberals choose not to see that does this mean we can start calling them Racists or is it still too soon?

 

[Ghostse]

I'd be curious if the school had any sort of support program in place for these students or simply left them to fend for themselves. The university I attended had a program in place for people (mostly minorities) that were admitted with one or more academic standards below average so that they had access to the resources they needed to acclimate to college academic standards and give them a chance to be successful if they took advantage of it. I also believe there were mandatory tutorial sessions until they hit a minimum yet easily attainable GPA.

No. Not until they made ass-wiping classes for the hoodrats.
It was a private college that focused on academic performance. The school was fairly small, so no "here is how to hold a pencil" university classes - you showed up ready and able to learn or you ate shit. There is little question as to why hoodnigs went back to Atlanta.

I went to a state school and it was full of those sorts of classes. It was impossible to fail out - you were threatened about it in the 'welcome to university' indoctrination 100 class that was mandatory for freshmen, but how it actually played out was if you were failing all your classes you put in probation and put into probation classes till, as you said, GPA improved or they sent you the affliated community college until you could stop eating paint chips. This place straight up sent non-hackers (who weren't their special white-guilt purging niggers) failure letters if you didn't unfuck yourself within a semester and you weren't allowed to enroll the next semester.
There were academic resoruces - study help, counseling, etc - but it was on the students engage those resources.

 

[TruthSeekingDaimon]

Good job, no more niggers and fags for shitty art and science degrees. They either use that brain or gtfo.

Not science and engineering, thats for aryans, whites, jews, chink and brownskins

The niggers get stuck with art and social studies.
So you can identify them and act with caution.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

If the Ivies want to matriculate as much of the talented tenth as possible, they can actually do some legwork, start up talent scouting programs, and go into the inner-city schools to interview and do preliminary tests for students with potential.

There are none. Anyone with actual potential who might be at those schools was packed up and sent to the local magnet school ages ago. That's how entire schools in Baltimore can have not a single person pass math.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

So this is all well and good. Hopefully it’s a legal stepping stone to someone bringing a lawsuit to attack AA in employment.

Lets outlaw racism for real.

The courts ruling this way is all fine and dandy, except for one little problem. The niggerdick loving faggots who did this are already in power. They're not going to fucking change. These policies will persist, they'll just be unspoken. It's going to be extremely difficult to sue a college over this unless they do something stupid like what Harvard did. The policies are only half the battle. This doesn't end until the admissions people start getting fired.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Justice Dankula is back!

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