Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[lolcow yoghurt]

Their whole existence offends me.

 

[Abella]

The way they and their useful idiots conflate their mental illness with morality. If you disagree with them or their stances as being "good" then you are immediately a uber nazi who stomps closeted gay teens to death. Its very tiresome, and makes me predisposed to dislike any of them I encounter.

The thing that goes along with this for me, in regards to troons and their sycophants, is that they use this as a way of corrective bullying if you let them. They’ll tell you phrases like “do better” or try to call you their brother in Christ while trying to demand you tolerate and accept troons. There is no honesty with them, they don’t even know how to be honest, only to lie, consume pornography, gaslight and make demands.

They’ve ruined social media by using hall monitor tactics and abusing the automated moderation to shut up anyone they dislike. It’s still the same on twitter, even after musk took over. They’ll still spam reports for hateful conduct until you’re suspended. They’re liars and narcissists and can’t stand to be in the same spaces as those who see them for what they are.

 

[FinnSven]

Wow, this blew up quickly, even 10 pages later there still is very little actual "hate".

This I think is the general consensus on Kiwi farms.

The members and posters who are motivated by genuine hatred are in the minority.
Most just find Troons to be obnoxious but pitiable creatures.

I think this also could be why so many troons are determined to end the site and routinely smear the forum as a breeding or rallying ground for fascist bullies who think nothing of hounding people to suicide.
The troons know that most of what is discussed here is valid criticism, but they really can't face the possibility of their fantasies and imaginary worlds falling down around them.

One of my favourites, Kevin Gibes, even if he is dumb as a post, unable to understand the politics and philosophy he tries to espouse, but he has shown occasional self-awareness when he has seen parody pictures made of him. His constant cope over his surgically constructed approximation of a vagina shows that he really wants it to be real, is very likely aware that it is fooling no one, but if he ever admitted it to himself, he would have to admit that he is an overgrown child chasing an impossible dream.

Another key factor is that many of the Troons mocked here are actually first mocked for their arsehattery and lolcowhood, with the trooning out a secondary
feature.

This unfortunately for them, lends credence to the fact that most troons are just fucking insane and deluded.

 

[FarmVille]

Wow, this blew up quickly, even 10 pages later there still is very little actual "hate".

oh, I hate trannies

 

[Cringey Edgelord]

I've got several - but the fact that they've been allowed to weaponize their "persecuted victim" status into a literal get out of jail (and criticism) free card ranks pretty close to the top.

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

oh, I hate trannies

I guess it had to happen somewhere.

 

[Jacques1194]

This is one thing that I genuinely don't understand about why gender dysphoria being declassified as an issue somehow makes it...ok now? The declassification of the chemicals that went through East Palestine didn't change the fact that they were toxic. Someone who believes this argument please tell me how this is any different than just taking something off a list to make things more fluid.

Going into it more.It's because most TRAs argue that those other mental illnesses like anorexia or schizophrenia aren't cured by affirming the patients delusions.Whereas with gender dysphoria they claim it improves their mental health, and decreases their suicide rate by affirming their identities.Honestly, whether or not this is true, can anyone explain to me what does this prove?I dont understand this weird logic that them being happy affirms they really are women trapped inside a man's body and vice versa?I can guaranteed you that there's probably studies that show people who believe in a God are happy, and it decreases suicide rates, but no atheist would be convinced that it's proof of one existing.So why do TRAs use a trans person's happiness and mental health decreasing as proof they're whatever gender they identify with?

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

Going into it more.It's because most TRAs argue that those other mental illnesses like anorexia or schizophrenia aren't cured by affirming the patients delusions.Whereas with gender dysphoria they claim it improves their mental health, and decreases their suicide rate by affirming their identities.Honestly, whether or not this is true, can anyone explain to me what does this prove?I dont understand this weird logic that them being happy affirms they really are women trapped inside a man's body and vice versa?I can guaranteed you that there's probably studies that show people who believe in a God are happy, and it decreases suicide rates, but no atheist would be convinced that it's proof of one existing.So why do TRAs use a trans person's happiness and mental health decreasing as proof they're whatever gender they identify with?

So all I have to do to enable my disorders is say YAAAAY I am happy now? Thats really it? Wow, science be damned.

 

[Mob Boss Barbie]

They take up so much space and are so grotesque about it, especially the AGPs. Tranny with a dick in the locker room, tranny in cheap-looking pornstar makeup, tranny with their gross braless moobs out. It's so clearly a fetish and I also hate the handmaidens who enable it. All these freaks do is make a caricature of your sex for their own masturbatory fantasies in public and you let them. There's something so primally infuriating about seeing a man with long greasy hair in a dress and unshaven legs. Wearing a Halloween costume won't give you a real vagina.

 

[FinnSven]

Going into it more.It's because most TRAs argue that those other mental illnesses like anorexia or schizophrenia aren't cured by affirming the patients delusions.Whereas with gender dysphoria they claim it improves their mental health, and decreases their suicide rate by affirming their identities.Honestly, whether or not this is true, can anyone explain to me what does this prove?I dont understand this weird logic that them being happy affirms they really are women trapped inside a man's body and vice versa?I can guaranteed you that there's probably studies that show people who believe in a God are happy, and it decreases suicide rates, but no atheist would be convinced that it's proof of one existing.So why do TRAs use a trans person's happiness and mental health decreasing as proof they're whatever gender they identify with?

As a committed atheist, I actually see some weight to this point about belief in a God to help with happiness and general well being.

One glaring omission in modern society and culture is there is very little which fills the gap of morality and spirituality welfare which a community level religious worker filled.

Therapy is not necessarily an equivalent or substitute in this regard.

Spirituality is not automatically about whether or not you believe there are faeries and phantoms guiding the world, it is often about feeling value in yourself and what you are doing.

Organized religion at least provides a framework on which people can feel that their lives have a meaning.

I wonder how many people who "found God" after a period of drinking, drugging, criminality, etc, would have trooned out if that was more of an option for them?

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

As a committed atheist, I actually see some weight to this point about belief in a God to help with happiness and general well being.

One glaring omission in modern society and culture is there is very little which fills the gap of morality and spirituality welfare which a community level religious worker filled.

Therapy is not necessarily an equivalent or substitute in this regard.

Spirituality is not automatically about whether or not you believe there are faeries and phantoms guiding the world, it is often about feeling value in yourself and what you are doing.

Organized religion at least provides a framework on which people can feel that their lives have a meaning.

I wonder how many people who "found God" after a period of drinking, drugging, criminality, etc, would have trooned out if that was more of an option for them?

This is an interesting way to see things. Yeah spirituality is not just ghost n goblins but the actual idea's that people can relate to/use in real life are very hard to communicate to people or have them see day to day.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

The biggest red flag for troons is them saying "Don't listen to any detransitioners, they don't know what they're talking about because they were never REAL trans people!"

It's the same tagline as every cult, "Don't believe exmembers, they were never REAL believers, they're just bitter because they didn't have the strength of character to stick with it! Only listen to people still in the thick of believing it, that's a more credible source!"

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

The biggest red flag for troons is them saying "Don't listen to any detransitioners, they don't know what they're talking about because they were never REAL trans people!"

It's the same tagline as every cult, "Don't believe exmembers, they were never REAL believers, they're just bitter because they didn't have the strength of character to stick with it! Only listen to people still in the thick of believing it, that's a more credible source!"

Cult and more specfically a virus is really similar to the troon mindset. It's both fascinating and pathetic. A Lil truth and the melt like a virus with an antidote.

 

[TruffleSpark]

The biggest red flag for troons is them saying "Don't listen to any detransitioners, they don't know what they're talking about because they were never REAL trans people!"

It's the same tagline as every cult, "Don't believe exmembers, they were never REAL believers, they're just bitter because they didn't have the strength of character to stick with it! Only listen to people still in the thick of believing it, that's a more credible source!"

Yet they also get mad at the truscums for "gatekeeping" when they say "hey maybe there are people who shouldn't be allowed to transition because they aren't really trans." If there's such a thing as a person who transitions but isn't "really" trans shouldn't gatekeeping to keep those people out be exactly what you would want? If only to make sure those people don't go on to become detransitioners who end up providing propaganda for your enemies.

 

[FinnSven]

One thing that is quite puzzling is that a not insignificant number troon out seemingly for the purpose of pulling lesbians.

Seems a hell of a lot of effort for a terrible return.

I know that they can get the surgeries done on insurance or under state healthcare if they can "prove" that they are dysphoric etc, but surely if they resort to surgery to increase their chances of pulling, then saving up for plastic surgery to improve their looks as a man would have a better return?

I know applying logic is futile, but hey ho!

 

[caffeinated Chihuahua]

One thing that is quite puzzling is that a not insignificant number troon out seemingly for the purpose of pulling lesbians.

Seems a hell of a lot of effort for a terrible return.

I know that they can get the surgeries done on insurance or under state healthcare if they can "prove" that they are dysphoric etc, but surely if they resort to surgery to increase their chances of pulling, then saving up for plastic surgery to improve their looks as a man would have a better return?

I know applying logic is futile, but hey ho!

They think getting lesbians is super easy because women have to put in no effort to have admirers left and right, so if they become a "woman" they will automatically get lots and lots of pussy. What they don't get though is that even if they really would become women, the average woman puts in a lot of effort in her appearance single or not. So even if they were a real woman they would still be at the absolut bottom of the dating pool for being uggo af and not putting in ANY effort to look good or stylish or finding clothes suitable for their body type.

 

[FinnSven]

They think getting lesbians is super easy because women have to put in no effort to have admirers left and right, so if they become a "woman" they will automatically get lots and lots of pussy. What they don't get though is that even if they really would become women, the average woman puts in a lot of effort in her appearance single or not. So even if they were a real woman they would still be at the absolut bottom of the dating pool for being uggo af and not putting in ANY effort to look good or stylish or finding clothes suitable for their body type.

Thing is, I and I thought most people, understand that while even uggo af get attention from men for just having a vagina, this doesn't extend to attention from other women.

How brain dead and socially stunted they must be to go through with all this!

 

[caffeinated Chihuahua]

Thing is, I and I thought most people, understand that while even uggo af get attention from men for just having a vagina, this doesn't extend to attention from other women.

How brain dead and socially stunted they must be to go through with all this!

I mean ye, if they would be willing to date men they could get men (don't need to transition for that though) but women have high expectations for other women. Trannies shun "chasers" though

 

[Maginot]

They think getting lesbians is super easy because women have to put in no effort to have admirers left and right, so if they become a "woman" they will automatically get lots and lots of pussy. What they don't get though is that even if they really would become women, the average woman puts in a lot of effort in her appearance single or not. So even if they were a real woman they would still be at the absolut bottom of the dating pool for being uggo af and not putting in ANY effort to look good or stylish or finding clothes suitable for their body type.

Incels reinventing their identity and "changing" their sex but changing nothing about what makes them an incel.

 

[Jacques1194]

Yet they also get mad at the truscums for "gatekeeping" when they say "hey maybe there are people who shouldn't be allowed to transition because they aren't really trans." If there's such a thing as a person who transitions but isn't "really" trans shouldn't gatekeeping to keep those people out be exactly what you would want? If only to make sure those people don't go on to become detransitioners who end up providing propaganda for your enemies.

This goes back into the whole trans brain argument.If there really are studies that prove a mind/body mismatch with trans people why dont doctors do brain scans to prove who's trans and who isn't?That way, doctors wont make a mistake of misdiagnosis a non trans person, and there would be 0 detransitioners.How is it that these people go on about how neuroscience backs them up, but some how doctors aren't using it to 100% be sure the patient's problem is that they're really trans and not having another psychological issue?