Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
I just can't really imagine bothering to find a partner or try for kids, it just seems like a waste of energy, money, and sanity now.
It will use up all of your energy, cost every cent of your money, and leave you trying to remember what sanity ever was. But find the right partner, and having kids is anything but a "waste" of those things. In fact, it's probably the best way to spend them.
 
It is. They've been told for years to adjust their unrealistic expectations and to put SOME effort in actually helping the man to become the man they want him to be, and they couldn't even rise to that even as they begin to feel the urgency of their own eggs rotting. Why should men bankrupt themselves pursuing someone for whom 'contentment' is no longer a word in this decadent hell to which we've been condemned? I really feel for my brothers, you aren't getting a partner or someone who actually wants to put in the effort to love you, but heaven have mercy on your soul if you dare complain.
Tldr stop trying to convince dudes into gay sex, this isn't discord.
 
Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.
Did this make anyone else laugh or chuckle? Might be the only time I've been pleasantly surprised to see "experts agree" or "experts say" since it was a bit of tongue in cheek humor.

My personal experience is it has gotten worse. Social circles are the only place I've had any luck the last 5 years.

For me its somewhere down the list as an issue, I tend to view the elites trying to enslave us as more important. Don't get me wrong - collapsing the birth rate is part of that.
 
This is good advice. I always see these articles about how bad modern dating is and I just don't get why people even try to date those people in the first place. Most women on dating apps are BORING, and I'm sure it's the same with men. Put something weird about yourself out there quickly to filter out the normies. If you don't get any enjoyment out of the initial texting phase of meeting someone through a dating app, what's the point? If the date feels like a job interview, then surely the texting did too, so what the fuck did you think was gonna happen?
The thing is if you quickly filter out the normies you'll be shadow banned because of your left to right swipe ratio. The cute weird girl you want to see it never will. As awkward as it is to try to meet people in person its still easier than finding someone who is worth your time on these dystopian "dating services."
 
This is called courtship, fellas. That's how it is. That's how it has always been. Nobody wants to spend the rest of their life putting hard work into a relationship just to serve a lazy slob.

And this goes both ways. A man will not waste his time with a woman who is not ready to be a wife, and a woman will not waste her time on a man not ready to be a husband. Yes eventually we all need to heed the wisdom of elders, settle the fuck down, and work together than chase the fantasies of romance movies.

Modern dating and fanciful love is a modern concept. For hundreds of years, people have been autistic with relationships and need arranged marriages or their families to push courtship. That's just how it is.
 
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I'm looking forward to all the "where have all the good men gone" rants so that I can indeed get the last laugh. Get ready all your empty egg carton JPEGs for the ultimate trolling experience!
Where have all the good men gone
And where are all the Chads
Where's the streetwise CEO
To fight the rising costs
Isn't there a doormat who will let ride that BBC
On the internet, I screech and Scree
And demand incels be what I need
I need a 6 Man
I'm holding out for a Man 'til the end of my life
He's gotta be Rich, and he's gotta stepdad
And he's gotta let me cheat on him with a Bull
I need a 6 Man
I'm holding out for a 6 Man 'til become a cat mom
He's gotta be cucked, and he's gotta be enslaved
And he's gotta be larger than 5'9
Larger than 5'9

Ree, Ree, Reeeee
Ree, Ree, Reeeee
REEEEEEEEEEEE, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
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I've seen what women have on offer and I pity them. Stupid, dumb men. They've got nothing interesting to say; know almost nothing and are a big fucking bore. Any man knows to fuck a woman you fuck her mind first, so it is no wonder they can't get past second base.

If a woman wants to fuck you they will, try and be interesting and no, talking about sup[er hero films or the most recent administration isn't going to cut it. If you were interesting, she'd fuck you, but you aren't. You are annoying, boring and stupid.
Notice that even women tacitly acknowledge the only thing they have to offer men is sex.
 
nigger you are fucking retarded if you think you can date that easily outside in the west , the west is the easiest to get laid let me remind you a fucking pig named ethan ralph who is drug addict has two different baby mommas and divorcee breathes and reproduced and is literall embodiment of pig in human form btw . I come from a conservative slavic country i have two male cousins and a brother all of them stayed virgin til their 20s and my one cousing that is getting married got a chick after he got set into lucrative career he is marrying now . My brother is literally considered by our standards the top 10% in looks , couldnt get gf untill was able to make decent buck .My other cousing literally looks like model he works out , looks decade younger than he is, well traveled makes semi decent money his family owns several properties and has brother who is willing to help him to set him up. SINGLE fucking single . You are literally backsliding how it was in the 50s you had to be able to support family and show proof in the first three dates since you wanted to bitch and moan. The only places left for westerner where he can pick up easily chicks is literally destitute countries where women hate your guts and trash you on their native language but fuck you and marry you because they think your spoiled retarded assses have money .
I'm literally courting a woman right now, who has made it as simple as possible. The lady I'm currently with has caused issues and instead of blaming me for her "craziness" and "flippiant emotions" she has the humility to literally beg for forgiveness when she goes overboard and even points out she is the one causing issues in the relationship. That's not to say I'm perfect, or that I'm the greatest more than this non-western woman I am with atm (key word) has humility something I never see in the west from women blaming head aches or going to give a blow job to some other man when they don't get their way.

Funny considering many poor people had children in the 50's because women were willing to compromise on "making the big bucks" for a wholesome family experience, my own grandfather can attest to that.

The lady I talked to literally knows I have no money. lol. It's the first thing I brought up, but she also understood the reason she had problems with relationships prior was her own actions and that's why I'm ok with her causing issues as long as she realizes that.
I know several men in the family literally have to tell what they own both the man and his family,,how many family members they have and if they are connected or working in whats considered good companies or state job if they even want a whiff of pussy near them. YOU THINK THIS IS HARD try outside of the west where every decent woman would not touch you with a 10 foot pool unless you pay her if your mom is a bdp whore or your family doesnt own a house or your dad is alcoholic or there is bad gossip about you. And yours and hers family are involed directly or indirectly . Fucking hell you are so stupid.
Ah yes, because poor broke drunks never have children in third world countries. Your actually presenting why many think women shouldn't have rights, it's not that men shouldn't have to improve to some degree to get a woman but this is basically if you have any one flaw you're out, and at that point maybe women deserve the hate they are getting in recent times, a self inflicted injury.

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Fatherless behavior on all sides.
  • dating apps function as a gene pool filter against the lazy, stupid, and mentally ill.
  • each sex pointing fingers and yelling about how the other sex is to blame for the ills of society propagates the behavior they complain about and fixes none. literal cope and seethe
The second point is disingenuous though. Men have had to atone for every little issue under the sun for years, yet when men expect compromise then it becomes "Well you're both pointing fingers."

It's the argument of false magnitudes, or to make an easy comparison: It's like saying the issues in todays society spring from both the left and the right. Yes the right are cowards and weak, but it's majorly the left causing issues. Going "Both the left and right are pointing fingers at each other and solving nothing" is also disingenuous.

It ignores the severity one side continues to push and cause. That doesn't mean the other side hasn't caused issues but that one side will give no compromise any further than they already have. Men are falling behind in every facet in society, men are being disenfranchised, being painted as toxic, having their children ripped from family courts, and woman are not satisfied not every man makes more money, continue to feed a self-fulfilling feedback loop and no one wants to draw attention to one side gaining while the other side has nothing. But yes both sides should fix issues so that the one side can fall further down on its face. It's nonsensical. The issues can't be solved until one side is willing to admit their faults.
 
If you don’t have friends, how do you expect to date, have relationships, and marry? Do you all not have a group of high school or college friends any more? Did you really need your Gen X parents to explicitly tell you to nurture social ties early in life? I know some real nerdy fucks, they’re all married with kids, from the Catholic kid who covered all his possessions in duct tape to the kid who tried to make everyone in class call him “Genius”.
 
For a homosexual? Better to ask how many stds you've gracefully gifted to others in the past month. Did you manage to break a record yet?

Oh THERE it is. You were seething so hard about not being able to default to 'incel' or 'lol tiny dick' that you finally played the poz card! Classy girl. Considering I believe in monogamy and seem to exhibit more cleanliness than modern women, I don't know what you believe you're on about with these plural terms. Whores have no self control or self respect, no matter how much they like to pretend to be empowered.
 
To be fair, this same friend got sucked into the Cutco scam when we were in high school, and liquidated his 401k to open a Liberty Tax Service franchise in his 30s which subsequently failed. He's always been one to look for shortcuts to make money, and is obviously pretty gullible as well.
Coincidentally we are talking about another scam: dating! I hate scammers as much as the next guy, but come on, how do you not know what a pyramid scheme is and fall for it more than a couple of times.
Doesn’t help that most zoomer women are also fucking insane borderline schizos who see every piece of media, no matter how innocuous, as political.
The worst thing about "everything is political" people is that they not only inject their garbage about Democrats and Republicans or whatever, they literally cannot enjoy anything because of some massive guilt complex mostly found in white suburban types who have little to no real world knowledge of anything.
If you don’t have friends, how do you expect to date, have relationships, and marry? Do you all not have a group of high school or college friends any more? Did you really need your Gen X parents to explicitly tell you to nurture social ties early in life? I know some real nerdy fucks, they’re all married with kids, from the Catholic kid who covered all his possessions in duct tape to the kid who tried to make everyone in class call him “Genius”.
Because every girl I wanted to smash "sees me as a friend." I can't have friends for this reason, it reminds me of all the girls and women I wanted to screw in my teens and twenties who would never go out with me. I'm so sad thinking about it!

Also, being a nerd sucks and if you are one your life is gonna suck and you're probably going to die a virgin.
I'm in the back half of my 30s. Still having the same group of friends from high school would be infinitely more pathetic than having no friends at all.
It's like being a real life Jay and Silent Bob, hanging out in front of places with no discernible purpose. But there are people who still act like they're in high school because their lives are, and always will be, headed nowhere.
 
Well, to be fair, a gay dude will actually put effort into jerking you off unlike a woman. So you know, you got that going.

Also I guess you can share jeans and not worry about knocking them up and instead just getting AIDS.

On the downside, they will will get hella VD and constantly complain that getting weiner 24/7 just isn’t enough.
 
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