Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
Dating apps are a scourge, I call the process "tap-dancing for fat chicks".

It's really alarming if you do well in person to go on apps and suddenly it's just like one word responses from women, if that. They put no effort in and wonder why the only guys they end up meeting are weird sex pests. The entitlement and then the complaining that there are no good men is nauseating. You passed on 50 good men who were interested in you this morning while you were on the toilet because they were only 5'11", come on. And the follow-on effect is that these men are less sexually confident in person because these apps are so demoralizing. I used to come on these threads and try to encourage younger guys because having a woman you care about who cares about you genuinely makes you a better person (and I care about you all), but there's no good process to get there anymore. Men aren't welcome in female spaces so there aren't shared hobbies like there used to be, men are discouraged from higher education, office work is remote so there are no after-work hangouts, all of the ways you'd find someone in person who you'd get along with are gone.

And that story about the woman talking about kids on the first date...I know this site is the official home of morally faggotry, but let's make sure we can spend more than an hour or two together enjoying each other's company before deciding if we're having kids, otherwise that kid will have to decide what toys to keep at Mom's house and which to keep at Dad's and the whole sad cycle continues.
 
I find the concept of ‘dating’ like this a bit odd in itself. Putting two people who’ve never met in an awkward situation and expecting them to sound each other out enough to decide if they might form a permanent pair. That’s just odd. It must wear you down constantly doing that. Either constant rejection or constantly meeting people who are rubbish. It takes time to get to know people. This kind of thing just works on immediate physical attraction rather than getting to know someone and realising they’re a lovely person
It’s quite an American thing, or it was when I was younger. Here you just kind of knew people and if you liked them you might see if they fancied going out for a pint/film/coffee somewhere and take it from there, but this idea of meeting people out of nowhere and auditioning them seems odd to me. I’d hate it.
We’ve lost a lot of the places young people naturally got to know each other and realised they might like to take it further. Dating like this is just artificial and weird. If anything ever happened to mr. Otterly, God forbid, I’d probably just remain in a nunnery or something. I would have no idea how to meet anyone.
This is something I don't think I've heard/read before. In the past, it's always the people east of the Atlantic telling the obese burgers how uptight they are.
 
Putting two people who’ve never met in an awkward situation and expecting them to sound each other out enough to decide if they might form a permanent pair.
Yeah, I can't think of a single marriage in my life that was the result of a spontaneous app-based date. Well there was one but it ended horribly.
Apps for flings makes sense, but people tend to meet their life partners through happenstance and don't tend to  realize it without repeated exposure to the person, at least ime.

Maybe this weird date culture that used to be a meme for not-so-young professionals is a result of people getting pickier across the board? In trying to tilt the odds more in favor of your standards you're essentially having to take the naturalness out of dating. Sure you can corral your 8/10 dream dating pool via app, but without natural interactions beforehand, you're actually souring your odds.
 
I think most guys problem is that it's one sided. Like it depends on where ya look, but on dating apps like 95% of women have a profile like this

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While offering nothing themselves outside of looks and usually not even that.
>Wants to be seen as strong and independent
>Wants their male date to cover the bill and hold the door

:stress:
 
“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.
Good move, brother. Tell that shady golddigger to get bent.

This whole situation reminds me of a quote from Samuel Pepys.
Discoursing concerning what if the Duke should marry her, my Lord told me that among his father's many old sayings that he had wrote in a book of his, this is one—that he that do get a wench with child and marry her afterwards is as if a man should shit in his hat and then clap it on his head.
Fuck her, chuck her and move on lol
Yeah like he is 28 fucking years old and still just wants to have flings? Dude is a red flag and absolutely no marriage material.
Honestly, you're 100% right although I do think 28 isn't that old to still be messing around single, especially nowadays. Too many people got shoehorned into marriages in years past due to pointless cultural conventions only for them to fall apart due to adultery. At least he's honest with himself and not cheating on his actual wife or ruining the lives of his children due to a nasty divorce stemming from adultery.

Like, if breeding is that important to you (as opposed to fatherhood) just make a deposit at the sperm bank. You don't have to do anything but jerk off and your genetic material is passed to the next generation.
 
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ITT nobody read this article literally fuckboys crying that women wont play along anymore and demand a ring on the finger before getting laid. You fuckers shitted on women for casual sex now you got what you asked for women not fucking anyone who doesnt want to get married . Enjoy,
Is there a term for this kind of thing? If not I propose "smirking smugly as the ship burns."

Massive structural and societal issues exist and are causing damage but you get to feel smug and morally superior to people you dislike for a brief time so who cares right?
 
ITT nobody read this article literally fuckboys crying that women wont play along anymore and demand a ring on the finger before getting laid. You fuckers shitted on women for casual sex now you got what you asked for women not fucking anyone who doesnt want to get married . Enjoy,
But a woman demanding a ring to be put on her finger before "putting out" is respectable and honestly an attractive trait. Casual flings and hook-ups are cancer and create this absolutely mental battle of the sexes shit.
 
Yea this is basically where I'm at. Dating isn't fun, pursuing women isn't fun.

Negative experiences outnumber positive ones like 50 to 1

It's not an incel hatred thing, I don't hate women, the process just isn't worth it.
This is where the majority of single guys are right now.

Between Woke shit, Covid destroying the usual social spots, and online dating being miserable, dating is pretty much a doomed venture.
 
The whole concept of dating is stupid, you take two complete strangers and have them meet in person, expect them to hit it off and spend the rest of their lives together, but it turns out they have nothing in common and aren't even physically attracted to each other, rinse, repeat. As a society, we've sold this idea that "there's someone for everyone, you just haven't found her yet" yet scenarios like this are all too common. Of course, there's the guys who think it should be like one of those dating sim games, where you raise your stats, choose the correct options in the dialogue tree, and everything should just come together like a perfect puzzle with all the pieces there.

Real talk here, people try to sell you the idea that "dating is fun" but that's not for the majority of people, incels are just fucked in the head with "grass is greener" delusions, when in reality it would probably make things worse for them.

Just learn how to be okay with being alone, as you have no control over whether or not someone is interested in you. I certainly don't believe that everyone has a perfect match waiting for them out there or anything, but considering there are a lot of people in the world, I kinda get where the blue pilled people are coming from.
 
Is there a term for this kind of thing? If not I propose "smirking smugly as the ship burns."

Massive structural and societal issues exist and are causing damage but you get to feel smug and morally superior to people you dislike for a brief time so who cares right?
what i am suppoused to tell you ? You are so insuferrable and useless that your women would rather get child via sperm donnor and fuck a dog than deal with half of your bs. FFs you dont bring anything on the table and constantly insult them for two decades now about everything and anything there is no winning if they put out whore if they dont its horrible torture how dare they if they stay in the kitchen and you pay the bills she is a goldigger is she pursues career i dont want business woman+ roastie . Dating suppoused to be hard because you do in once in few years and grab the first person you can stand waking up next to thats it . Preferably you have to do it once. Instead you treat it as a fun game to put notches on your dick and collect stories to share and laugh with your bros . So now you are getting treated like this . And you fucking worked hard for it.
 
The whole concept of dating is stupid, you take two complete strangers and have them meet in person, expect them to hit it off and spend the rest of their lives together, but it turns out they have nothing in common and aren't even physically attracted to each other, rinse, repeat. As a society, we've sold this idea that "there's someone for everyone, you just haven't found her yet" yet scenarios like this are all too common. Of course, there's the guys who think it should be like one of those dating sim games, where you raise your stats, choose the correct options in the dialogue tree, and everything should just come together like a perfect puzzle with all the pieces there.

Real talk here, people try to sell you the idea that "dating is fun" but that's not for the majority of people, incels are just fucked in the head with "grass is greener" delusions, when in reality it would probably make things worse for them.

Just learn how to be okay with being alone, as you have no control over whether or not someone is interested in you. I certainly don't believe that everyone has a perfect match waiting for them out there or anything, but considering there are a lot of people in the world, I kinda get where the blue pilled people are coming from.
Fuck you I'm bluepillled as fuck and I still believe in love. I'll track you down and force feed you bluepills you miserable grinch

Evidence of being wounded and jaded from men
Listen, I'll feed you choccie chip ice cream by the fire. I can save you, all you gotta do is let me in.
 
what i am suppoused to tell you ? You are so insuferrable and useless that your women would rather get child via sperm donnor and fuck a dog than deal with half of your bs. FFs you dont bring anything on the table and constantly insult them for two decades now about everything and anything there is no winning if they put out whore if they dont its horrible torture how dare they if they stay in the kitchen and you pay the bills she is a goldigger is she pursues career i dont want business woman+ roastie . Dating suppoused to be hard because you do in once in few years and grab the first person you can stand waking up next to thats it . Preferably you have to do it once. Instead you treat it as a fun game to put notches on your dick and collect stories to share and laugh with your bros . So now you are getting treated like this . And you fucking worked hard for it.
Whatever meds you're on you need a much larger dose.

I read this BPD schizo word salad three times and I still have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make or what you are trying to say.
 
what i am suppoused to tell you ? You are so insuferrable and useless that your women would rather get child via sperm donnor and fuck a dog than deal with half of your bs. FFs you dont bring anything on the table and constantly insult them for two decades now about everything and anything there is no winning if they put out whore if they dont its horrible torture how dare they if they stay in the kitchen and you pay the bills she is a goldigger is she pursues career i dont want business woman+ roastie . Dating suppoused to be hard because you do in once in few years and grab the first person you can stand waking up next to thats it . Preferably you have to do it once. Instead you treat it as a fun game to put notches on your dick and collect stories to share and laugh with your bros . So now you are getting treated like this . And you fucking worked hard for it.
so you're saying white women do fuck dogs because they are suitable mates for them?
 
I'm really glad that I'm married and no longer have to play the dating game, because shit is fucked.

I feel bad for those that are looking for something long term and want the whole white picket fence and 2.5 kids because they seem to be the minority in the sea of hook up culture on both sides of the equation.

You can't turn a whore into a faithful spouse.
 
I think most guys problem is that it's one sided. Like it depends on where ya look, but on dating apps like 95% of women have a profile like this

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While offering nothing themselves outside of looks and usually not even that.
did you know that they don't even type that themselves? at first i thought this was from tiktok or something that just gave women ideas for what to put in dating apps. but then my gf showed me that these are in the app itself! these are probably the same women who complain that there just aren't any good men left. when i would see bios like that i'd immediately swipe left (unless super hot of course) because it's the most boring thing you could possibly put.
 
Fuck you I'm bluepillled as fuck and I still believe in love. I'll track you down and force feed you bluepills you miserable grinch
The pill terms never existed when I was a teenager, nor did contemporary incel forums. Probably a good thing. Many guys are stuck in a high school mentality about dating because they haven't advanced a day over 17 in their thinking there. Then again, you don't get many frames of reference outside of that and shitty comedies if you have few opportunities to meet someone you'd actually like.
I'm really glad that I'm married and no longer have to play the dating game, because shit is fucked.

I feel bad for those that are looking for something long term and want the whole white picket fence and 2.5 kids because they seem to be the minority in the sea of hook up culture on both sides of the equation.

You can't turn a whore into a faithful spouse.
That dream of a suburban residence, minivan, white picket fence, loving wife, and 2.5 kids is what many people aspire to because "society expects them to." It's not necessarily something a person actually wants I would think.

All the shit talking aside, things didn't work out for me the few times I dated but I'm glad I got to experience at least a little bit of it before everything went to hell. It's increasingly likely I'll never meet anyone ever again but I've become okay with it, considering the cheating, drama, and diseases out there.
 
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