Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
ITT nobody read this article literally fuckboys crying that women wont play along anymore and demand a ring on the finger before getting laid. You fuckers shitted on women for casual sex now you got what you asked for women not fucking anyone who doesnt want to get married . Enjoy,
You actually believe that's common? There are plenty women giving into fucking without requiring a ring, if it were majorly more along what you are saying in this post I'd be glad women are finally taking control of themselves and their impulses, but this article or the point there in is not reality.
what i am suppoused to tell you ? You are so insuferrable and useless that your women would rather get child via sperm donnor and fuck a dog than deal with half of your bs. FFs you dont bring anything on the table and constantly insult them for two decades now about everything and anything there is no winning if they put out whore if they dont its horrible torture how dare they if they stay in the kitchen and you pay the bills she is a goldigger is she pursues career i dont want business woman+ roastie . Dating suppoused to be hard because you do in once in few years and grab the first person you can stand waking up next to thats it . Preferably you have to do it once. Instead you treat it as a fun game to put notches on your dick and collect stories to share and laugh with your bros . So now you are getting treated like this . And you fucking worked hard for it.
Men used to decry women causing them stress and anger in men's clubs, and men social spaces but women wouldn't let men have that. Which is their own fault for removing any private time for or about men. Also men literally bring most of the table. Which is why women when dissatisfied over one contrivance leave thanks to divorce courts and going to the next man parasitical in nature.

Also gold diggers are those who focus on only money, and what car you drive and how much you can spend for keeping up with Jonses. Women who would make a meal, and take care of the kid while a man is at work are sought after to such a degree it's hilarious you claim they aren't wanted and not even in a trad sense. The reason why guys don't like women who pursue careers is 1) Other men will try to fuck them and succeed often times, or they 2)make more money and then become demotivated of staying with that man they were so fond of before making more. That's a woman issue even in that regad.

The men who do notches aren't trying to have a long term commitment.

Also you're wrong, dating is supposed to be easy, it's just western women and many other nations have made it a nightmare with some insane requirements. In the old days woman chose a man, made compromises with her wants vs. needs and let her feels go instead of making them the predominant decision. Now women get their cake and eat it too and then end up miserable and therefore making men miserable, but it's men fault women make bad choices in dating and decision making.

Women just fuck dogs because dogs don't make demands or expect women to compromise it's more of the same getting their cake and eating it too. It's even funnier becaues men will put up with a lot of hardship from women before losing feelings for women if they care, but women just want a pet that will love them no matter how shitty they behave. Peak modern women in 2023.
 
Fuck you I'm bluepillled as fuck and I still believe in love. I'll track you down and force feed you bluepills you miserable grinch


Listen, I'll feed you choccie chip ice cream by the fire. I can save you, all you gotta do is let me in.
Both bluepills and choccie chip ice cream are going to be laced with meth, aren't they?
 
I find the concept of ‘dating’ like this a bit odd in itself. Putting two people who’ve never met in an awkward situation and expecting them to sound each other out enough to decide if they might form a permanent pair. That’s just odd. It must wear you down constantly doing that. Either constant rejection or constantly meeting people who are rubbish. It takes time to get to know people. This kind of thing just works on immediate physical attraction rather than getting to know someone and realising they’re a lovely person
It’s quite an American thing, or it was when I was younger. Here you just kind of knew people and if you liked them you might see if they fancied going out for a pint/film/coffee somewhere and take it from there, but this idea of meeting people out of nowhere and auditioning them seems odd to me. I’d hate it.
We’ve lost a lot of the places young people naturally got to know each other and realised they might like to take it further. Dating like this is just artificial and weird. If anything ever happened to mr. Otterly, God forbid, I’d probably just remain in a nunnery or something. I would have no idea how to meet anyone.
Can confirm that "dating" is pretty american.
My hypothesis about why is because mobility in america is way higher than in Europe. Here, many people move away from their hometown, but they move like 20 kilometers away. Your friend network from school, your family are always reachable.
Americans much more often live in anonymous, huge cities with no community, and they move thousands of km to move to another job or for a university they want to visit. Without a social circle, meeting potential mates in an organic way is really hard.
 
A lot of this isn't new, like the tension between men seeking hookups and women seeking relationships.

The job interview comparison is actually not a bad one though. These are some of the few places where modern society actually requires you to sell yourself to someone else and have then accept or reject you.

For what it's worth, dumping someone is a lot like firing someone too, and it's not a coincidence that these direct social rejections are some of the riskiest things that regular schmucks have to do. Evictions, too.
 
OP knew exactly what they were doing
  • Article get's posted on A&N regarding how dating sucks
  • KF men posters in thread agree due to real life situations and/or facts
  • women/trolls come in thread, call the men that posted in it incels/losers/etc...
  • gigantic amounts of spergatory ensures
lather, rinse, repeat
If an rdrama user ain't cataloging these for an effortpost on how easy A&N is to bait I'll be disappointed in them. C'mon, guys, sometimes articles of this genre are shared without intent to ragebait, but this article is 4 months old.
 
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The whole concept of dating is stupid, you take two complete strangers and have them meet in person, expect them to hit it off and spend the rest of their lives together, but it turns out they have nothing in common and aren't even physically attracted to each other, rinse, repeat. As a society, we've sold this idea that "there's someone for everyone, you just haven't found her yet" yet scenarios like this are all too common. Of course, there's the guys who think it should be like one of those dating sim games, where you raise your stats, choose the correct options in the dialogue tree, and everything should just come together like a perfect puzzle with all the pieces there.

Real talk here, people try to sell you the idea that "dating is fun" but that's not for the majority of people, incels are just fucked in the head with "grass is greener" delusions, when in reality it would probably make things worse for them.

Just learn how to be okay with being alone, as you have no control over whether or not someone is interested in you. I certainly don't believe that everyone has a perfect match waiting for them out there or anything, but considering there are a lot of people in the world, I kinda get where the blue pilled people are coming from.
Dating as we understand it today is stupid because the concept of Romantic Love was created by musings of Grass is Greener women with too much time on their hands. Also a reminder that Romantic in this case refers to the idealization of reality, not passion. In the process, the natural means of regulating dating and marriage, the parents, were done away with for the thrill of eloping and other such impulsive activities. The result is that whenever a fight in a relationship gets bad, instead of free mediation, they go for divorce as the first option and it's granted because muh oppression. That's why feminists ree so hard against arranged marriages; they don't want to build families, they want to max out gibs and feels. Now everyone is atomized and uninvested in the society they live in.
 
The whole concept of dating is stupid, you take two complete strangers and have them meet in person, expect them to hit it off and spend the rest of their lives together, but it turns out they have nothing in common and aren't even physically attracted to each other, rinse, repeat. As a society, we've sold this idea that "there's someone for everyone, you just haven't found her yet" yet scenarios like this are all too common. Of course, there's the guys who think it should be like one of those dating sim games, where you raise your stats, choose the correct options in the dialogue tree, and everything should just come together like a perfect puzzle with all the pieces there.

Real talk here, people try to sell you the idea that "dating is fun" but that's not for the majority of people, incels are just fucked in the head with "grass is greener" delusions, when in reality it would probably make things worse for them.

Just learn how to be okay with being alone, as you have no control over whether or not someone is interested in you. I certainly don't believe that everyone has a perfect match waiting for them out there or anything, but considering there are a lot of people in the world, I kinda get where the blue pilled people are coming from.
I whole heartedly agree with this post and will offer a bit of advice/feedback from a based AF female.

The new concept of dating is fucked mostly due to it being primarily online. The only method of judgement of character is a heavily filtered picture and a few generic words. Prior to this, even blind dates were usually set up by people who knew both parties, and at least had some idea if they would share interests.
Of course back then, things weren't as superficial as they are now. Women wanted to have a family and raise children and men wanted to provide for that wife and children.

Its my belief that the radical feminist movement swung the pendulum so far in the other direction, most women who ascribe to this belief are entitled, lazy and miserable.
Much like niggers, they believe that they are owed something for some sort of oppression they experienced on a societal level. So the expectation is that they should be able to sit on their pillows and have a man who not only supports them financially, but also doesnt expect anything in return.
This is not how relationships work.

I am someone who believes that people need to experience relationships and sex with other people before settling down if you want to avoid divorce. People change and if you are with the same person from high school and never experience anyone else, you are obviously going to get curious, especially when the shine wears off the marriage. Their quirks you thought were cute in year one make you homicidal in year 20.

As far as being alone, learning how to be okay being alone is an important life skill. How can you learn about yourself when you are constantly with someone else? This is why most marriages end in divorce. People hook up who cant stand being alone and who feel they are out of options. They allow certain things that would normally be a hard line to avoid being alone. This breeds resentment down the road.

TLDR: I feel bad for men right now because woman are fucked and need to get a reality check. They need to stop debasing themselves so they dont have work. Men respect women more when they can take care of themselves (without being a cunt about it).
 
Fatherless behavior on all sides.
  • dating apps function as a gene pool filter against the lazy, stupid, and mentally ill.
  • each sex pointing fingers and yelling about how the other sex is to blame for the ills of society propagates the behavior they complain about and fixes none. literal cope and seethe
 
Men are supposed to be providers and in an economic train wreck in slow motion it is becoming harder and harder for men to fulfill that instinctual need. I understand why some of these guys don't want a committed partnership, because they probably know they can't provide stability at the subconscious level. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if that is a reason why young women are dating older men (40-50 years old). Not to mention Dating apps are built like former Twitter; more casino than actually hooking up. They are built to keep people on the app living out fantasies of potential partners. In addition, the MeToo movement and now gender politics have created a toxic brew that will probably not heal for a couple more decades.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.
Also, don't ask this until y'all are at least moved in together and are on board with marriage. The first few dates should be the here and now, not the future. I'm also going to echo others in saying, app dating is nonsensical. My partner and I have known each other for 16 years, dated 4 years and married for 8 years; best part is, we were close friends before we started romantically dating. Just slow your damn rolls people and re-learn to appreciate your fellow human even there flaws and for christ sakes, stop being so centrally selfish or self serving.
 
“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.
Why not just, like, tell her that's an absurd, inappropriate question? It's so much easier to just be truthful.

I'm so glad I lack the biological imperatives to procreate or find a life-long partner. It'd be hell trying to make something work in Current Year.
 
Not sure how I should feel about this. On one hand, bringing out big questions like that right off the bat is can be off putting, but on the other hand, 28 is a time when people should really be thinking about how their life is going to go relationships wise, and it's likely overall a good sign that long term thinking is in play.

You certainly don't want a Borb situation spawning another Chris - bad parenting coupled with geezer gametes from both parents.
I think it’s a valid question but I’d ask a few of my own:
  • What do you think of giving blowjobs after marriage?
  • Have you ever cheated on someone?
  • What do you think of open relationships
Turnabout is fair play of course. But I’m sure for whatever reason those questions are mean and unfair.
 
did you know that they don't even type that themselves? at first i thought this was from tiktok or something that just gave women ideas for what to put in dating apps. but then my gf showed me that these are in the app itself! these are probably the same women who complain that there just aren't any good men left. when i would see bios like that i'd immediately swipe left (unless super hot of course) because it's the most boring thing you could possibly put.
Huh, thought it was tiktok meme and not just the fuckin default suggestion.

I never swipe on em, if they can't be bothered to put any effort into a basic profile then it's just not gonna be worth it.

Not that that's exclusively a women problem, I've seen what generic men's profiles look like and plenty of em are just as shit. Really the main advantage that women have on dating apps is that if they swipe right on someone it's almost 100% guaranteed to be a match where as when a guy swipes right it's more a <1% chance.

Women bitch about receiving so much goddamn attention on apps but I guarantee if they had to pick between that and the average guy's experience of zero responses/attention they'd pick the former.
 
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The thing about modern dating is you have to act like she's not that special at first, because she really isn't. She has to prove she's worth it, just like you also have to do for her. Don't go in grovelling and wanting to be with her, instead go in questioning if she's even suitable. Having said that don't be rude, just have some standards and self respect. It's all much easier with this mindset.
 
It must wear you down constantly doing that. Either constant rejection or constantly meeting people who are rubbish
Going to be 27 soon I've already been burnt out for a while. Had some girls interested in flings with me in college but that never interested me as I only ever wanted a real stable relationship. Few actual attempts at dating I have been on just went no where, wasted my time, and grated at my soul bit by bit. The apps were always garbage, they're just for stroking egos of highly narcissistic people both male and female.

Now with my job I just don't have the time or opportunities to meet anyone Completely rudderless and just don't know what to do and I'm too prideful and bitter now compared to where I was in my early 20s to settle for someone who is only going for me now because the clock is ticking. I also share Josh's stubborness about being murican, in fact its more intense cause I refuse to leave this country. My complaint isn't even that I don't have a partner but that I just feel too drained, demoralized, and stubborn to even give it another go, especially with all the political and economic instability I feel like a rat fleeing for safety as I've been focusing more on making sure I'm prepped for if things get bad than anything else.

Even if it is in part my own fault due to my own blend of ODD, I figure I'm not the first or last to die alone I guess, thankfully I at least have a decent job, a place to stay, and a few good friends so I'm not really miserable but I just can't really imagine bothering to find a partner or try for kids, it just seems like a waste of energy, money, and sanity now.

COVID and the over politicization of everything in the last few years really just killed everything, this isn't even dating just making new friends is near impossible. Don't know what this country is going to look like 10-20 years from now with everyone atomized like this. I hope our senile child eating leaders are very very happy dying as rulers of an empire of dirt and ash.

As a side note I feel terrible for a lot of the women who are going to experience what I am starting in their mid 30s or however it works. I don't mean this from a manosphere "hitting the wall" angle but more that I guess I'm lucky I had my 20s to get used to solitude as I've never been the most popular guy regardless. We've all been tricked and scammed and the next few decades are gonna be real messy.
 
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The thing about modern dating is you have to act like she's not that special at first, because she really isn't. She has to prove she's worth it, just like you also have to do for her. Don't go in grovelling and wanting to be with her, instead go in questioning if she's even suitable. Having said that don't be rude, just have some standards and self respect. It's all much easier with this mindset.
This is good advice. I always see these articles about how bad modern dating is and I just don't get why people even try to date those people in the first place. Most women on dating apps are BORING, and I'm sure it's the same with men. Put something weird about yourself out there quickly to filter out the normies. If you don't get any enjoyment out of the initial texting phase of meeting someone through a dating app, what's the point? If the date feels like a job interview, then surely the texting did too, so what the fuck did you think was gonna happen?
 
El Comandante has had experience with online dating from back in the days when match.com was free and had real profiles, and most of the women I met were either extremely mentally ill or were looking for a surrogate daddy for their kid, since the bio father had taken off long ago. And fuck that was the late 90s. Today the vast majority of profiles are scammers using generic pix from Getty Images and whose goal is to get you to put your entire life savings into a fake cryptoshekel exchange. This is called "pig butchering" and they are really fucking painstaking about it, they will lead you on for several fucking months and some cybersex sessions before switching to talking about the gorillions of dollars they're making in cryptoshekels and that they can show you how to do it too. The remainder of profiles are either batshit crazy women or "corporate girls" who approach dating like a job interview. The men become incels and the women become cat ladies. Needless to say, if a society isn't reproducing, it has a problem. The malthusian population bomb worriers have finished building the future and are starting to wonder why it looks so much like a grave.
 
Also you're wrong, dating is supposed to be easy, it's just western women and many other nations have made it a nightmare with some insane requirements
nigger you are fucking retarded if you think you can date that easily outside in the west , the west is the easiest to get laid let me remind you a fucking pig named ethan ralph who is drug addict has two different baby mommas and divorcee breathes and reproduced and is literall embodiment of pig in human form btw . I come from a conservative slavic country i have two male cousins and a brother all of them stayed virgin til their 20s and my one cousing that is getting married got a chick after he got set into lucrative career he is marrying now . My brother is literally considered by our standards the top 10% in looks , couldnt get gf untill was able to make decent buck .My other cousing literally looks like model he works out , looks decade younger than he is, well traveled makes semi decent money his family owns several properties and has brother who is willing to help him to set him up. SINGLE fucking single . You are literally backsliding how it was in the 50s you had to be able to support family and show proof in the first three dates since you wanted to bitch and moan. The only places left for westerner where he can pick up easily chicks is literally destitute countries where women hate your guts and trash you on their native language but fuck you and marry you because they think your spoiled retarded assses have money .

I know several men in the family literally have to tell what they own both the man and his family,,how many family members they have and if they are connected or working in whats considered good companies or state job if they even want a whiff of pussy near them. YOU THINK THIS IS HARD try outside of the west where every decent woman would not touch you with a 10 foot pool unless you pay her if your mom is a bdp whore or your family doesnt own a house or your dad is alcoholic or there is bad gossip about you. And yours and hers family are involed directly or indirectly . Fucking hell you are so stupid.
 
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