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[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

What's you guys' take on the MH370 video that's been circulating?

Glows more than I do. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't put it past feds to manufacture stuff like that and let it simmer in dark corners of the internet until useful. As far as I'm aware every time something comes out to debunk it, even more info calls it into question. Even Mick and the metabunk boys aren't quite sure how to tear it apart. I call that a distraction...

Or it's real, I suppose? Which if that does wind up being the case, it's par for the course in clownworld. Shit feels more like a bad movie every month.

 

[The Gene Genie]

Glows more than I do. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't put it past feds to manufacture stuff like that and let it simmer in dark corners of the internet until useful. As far as I'm aware every time something comes out to debunk it, even more info calls it into question. Even Mick and the metabunk boys aren't quite sure how to tear it apart. I call that a distraction...

Or it's real, I suppose? Which if that does wind up being the case, it's par for the course in clownworld. Shit feels more like a bad movie every month.

Distraction from what? I don't think it's a distraction. If it is, considering it's only been doing the rounds at the usual UFO woo-woo communities on both ends (schizo and deboonker), who really don't need any form of outside influence to distract themselves anyway, it is extraordinarily bad. Even this UFO shit doesn't really work as a distraction because everyone IRL I talk to about this believes it's a fake/psyop/distraction from the economy/Trump/Jews/etc. Worst orchestrated psyop distraction if that was the goal since no one is taking it seriously.

As for the MH370 videos itself, I really do not know what to make of it. I don't know shit about VFX/CGI stuff nowadays, let alone what was possible and available in 2014 when the video was first posted online. On the surface it seems obviously fake, but a lot of evidence (posted on /x/ and Reddit, since those seem to be the only places where this is being discussed and not as a "lol it's fake" on metabunk) seems to indicate it's possibly real.

I don't know. If it's real, it's a big deal. Possibly the biggest deal ever in our species' history. And not in a good way.

 

[RadioactiveMonkeyMan]

Distraction from what? I don't think it's a distraction. If it is, considering it's only been doing the rounds at the usual UFO woo-woo communities on both ends (schizo and deboonker), who really don't need any form of outside influence to distract themselves anyway, it is extraordinarily bad. Even this UFO shit doesn't really work as a distraction because everyone IRL I talk to about this believes it's a fake/psyop/distraction from the economy/Trump/Jews/etc. Worst orchestrated psyop distraction if that was the goal since no one is taking it seriously.

Not to distract the ufo community or the debunkers. As you pointed out, talking about uap/ufo stuff in general to your average person results in "Oh, look at those ufo kooks. I suspected those congress hearings are phooey." and this MH370 craze just confirms it to an outsider.
You know how it goes; think of the families! What's wrong with you!? Yada yada, Q-anon, blah blah.

It kills the story because it's unfalsifiable or able to be proven real. There was recovered debris, that's enough of an answer for your everyday person. That's my opinion anyway. It's not about the people already invested. It's everyone else.

 

[The Gene Genie]

Not to distract the ufo community or the debunkers. As you pointed out, talking about uap/ufo stuff in general to your average person results in "Oh, look at those ufo kooks. I suspected those congress hearings are phooey." and this MH370 craze just confirms it to an outsider.
You know how it goes; think of the families! What's wrong with you!? Yada yada, Q-anon, blah blah.

It kills the story because it's unfalsifiable or able to be proven real. There was recovered debris, that's enough of an answer for your everyday person. That's my opinion anyway. It's not about the people already invested. It's everyone else.

But no one cares, is what I'm saying to you. Even before this, evidenced in this very thread, basically no one cares about the UFO thing. Or if they do, it's to say it's a fake shill psyop distraction and they move the topic along to something else. I just don't buy this or anything in general involving the UAP/UFOs to be a fake distraction psyop campaign. Because, again, everyone already thinks this anyway so it's an ineffective psyop.

If I had to say that there IS a psyop involved in all of this, it's the endless stream of bullshit about UFOs for the past 60+ years that has poisoned the well and conditioned everyone to kneejerk that UFOs are fake/distraction/psyop.

 

[F_Break]

So I guess you didn't like his article in JFQ? I thought it was pretty good for open source; my only real quibble is that this isn't 1948 and the proliferation of drones, balloons, and other adversary aerospace systems means we probably should securitize UAPs, to a point.

I have several issues with the article, but the most glaring is the intentional misuse of "debunk". Offering an alternative hypothesis does not mean you've debunked anything. Nobody can effectively debunk the incidents referenced in the article because a lot of the relevant data that would help prove or disprove their claims is still classified. The entire Star Trek section is the academic equivalent of schizo ramblings about "predictive programing" in popular entertainment. Reports of rod, cigar and pill shaped UFOs go back several decades. There is no proof that anybody involved in the Nimitz incident has ever watched this show. A page or two ago I attached a heavily redacted FOIA obtained report that confirms that the Sentient satellite surveillance program recorded a new tic tac incident in May of 2021. Whatever the fuck it is, the "tic tac" is not a Star Trek induced LARP from the Nimitz crew, and our government has satellite imagery of it.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I have not watched the above The Hill "event" yet (it's 1:24:52), but here's the article about it:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4157124-bipartisan-house-group-pushes-for-select-committee-classified-hearings-into-ufos/

https://archive.ph/wzbiy

I think the US Senate are going to be the ones to bust this open if anyone does, but they are trying over in the House.

By the way, I find most articles by hitting Google News. Instead of using the "Past hour" and "Past 24 hours" options it gives you, you can search, for example, the last 8 hours of stories by putting "when:8h" in the search.

https://news.google.com/search?q=ufos%20when%3A8h

 

[F_Break]

I have not watched the above The Hill "event" yet (it's 1:24:52), but here's the article about it:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4157124-bipartisan-house-group-pushes-for-select-committee-classified-hearings-into-ufos/

https://archive.ph/wzbiy

I think the US Senate are going to be the ones to bust this open if anyone does, but they are trying over in the House.

By the way, I find most articles by hitting Google News. Instead of using the "Past hour" and "Past 24 hours" options it gives you, you can search, for example, the last 8 hours of stories by putting "when:8h" in the search.

https://news.google.com/search?q=ufos%20when%3A8h

There really isn't anything new beyond some extra insight from the reps that set up the hearing on what they plan on doing moving forward and an odd anecdote from Ryan Graves that some pilots are reporting sightings of UAPs that look like they're dogfighting with each other in space.

 

[CoolFool]

I listened The Hill event while working, and the main two points I took away was that Grusch has not been allowed to give the SCIF meetings because he had his clearance taken away, which is BS. The other thing brought up was that pilots have reported seeing UAPs that appear to be "dogfighting" in space. Big if true. There was other stuff but I was multitasking so I don't remember what they were.

Re: MH370 plane video. I kept seeing this pop up and willfully ignored it because it looks incredibly fake and stupid. Then I read an article claiming it was a hoax and debunked. As I read the article, I expected to get a solid debunk, but it never actually debunked it. So, me being curious and distrustful of journos making claims without any actual evidence, I began reading up on this for the past week.

The consensus seems to be that this is either a hoax made by some VXF artist with an autistic level of knowledge about UAPs, MH370, military satellites, etc., it's a hoax made by someone who actually works in the field, or it's partially real, in that someone grabbed a real video of the plane, but the UAPs and teleportation bit at the end is fake. Finally, the last possible scenario is that it's completely real and someone leaked this.

I have to admit that I'm not sure what to think at this point. I don't think it's real (as in, the teleportation shit) but I also can believe it's not a simple troll video. It's been interesting reading the research people have done on this, and fun to think about what it would mean if it was real. At this point, I'm just seeing this as entertainment and not taking it too seriously.

Whatever the case, I think the most interesting thing that has come of this research is learning about how advanced and crazy military spy technology is. Like, I already knew it was bad, but damn.

 

[The Gene Genie]

I listened The Hill event while working, and the main two points I took away was that Grusch has not been allowed to give the SCIF meetings because he had his clearance taken away, which is BS. The other thing brought up was that pilots have reported seeing UAPs that appear to be "dogfighting" in space. Big if true. There was other stuff but I was multitasking so I don't remember what they were.

Re: MH370 plane video. I kept seeing this pop up and willfully ignored it because it looks incredibly fake and stupid. Then I read an article claiming it was a hoax and debunked. As I read the article, I expected to get a solid debunk, but it never actually debunked it. So, me being curious and distrustful of journos making claims without any actual evidence, I began reading up on this for the past week.

The consensus seems to be that this is either a hoax made by some VXF artist with an autistic level of knowledge about UAPs, MH370, military satellites, etc., it's a hoax made by someone who actually works in the field, or it's partially real, in that someone grabbed a real video of the plane, but the UAPs and teleportation bit at the end is fake. Finally, the last possible scenario is that it's completely real and someone leaked this.

I have to admit that I'm not sure what to think at this point. I don't think it's real (as in, the teleportation shit) but I also can believe it's not a simple troll video. It's been interesting reading the research people have done on this, and fun to think about what it would mean if it was real. At this point, I'm just seeing this as entertainment and not taking it too seriously.

Whatever the case, I think the most interesting thing that has come of this research is learning about how advanced and crazy military spy technology is. Like, I already knew it was bad, but damn.

My feeling on the video is that at first it seems like an outright bullshit fake. But every attempt to "debunk it" or to analyze it has added to its credibility. The level of detail on it, and the quickness for how fast the original was put online (within a few weeks of the initial disappearance) is just out of this world for me. Like I said earlier, I'm unsure of how advanced VFX/CGI was in 2014 but all the details are there. It seems far too well done for a lame attempt at a hoax that didn't even surface for almost ten years. The tic-tac design of UFOs wasn't even common knowledge at the time even though now it's everywhere. And onto that, if you look at the FLIR drone footage, it shows the heat signature blooming at the bottom. Which, to my knowledge, has only been brought up as a unique feature of the UFOs by Matt Gaetz during the hearings.

 

[CoolFool]

My feeling on the video is that at first it seems like an outright bullshit fake. But every attempt to "debunk it" or to analyze it has added to its credibility. The level of detail on it, and the quickness for how fast the original was put online (within a few weeks of the initial disappearance) is just out of this world for me. Like I said earlier, I'm unsure of how advanced VFX/CGI was in 2014 but all the details are there. It seems far too well done for a lame attempt at a hoax that didn't even surface for almost ten years.

Just to be clear, new evidence found puts that video being posted a few months after the plane went missing, not two weeks. And to be fair, even back in 2014 a video like that could be made by CGI. The current argument isn't that this video couldn't have been completely made up by CGI back in 2014, but that if it was, it was made by someone who added autistic details that the average troll wouldn't think of. Plus, some of the details added appears to have come from information that was not available at the time, or at least was not common knowledge among the public. Again, if this is completely fake, whoever made it is a literal UAP, Military, and plane autist, or someone working on the inside.

It is fun to read about and I'm keeping an open mind. The Tic-Tac video looked fake too, and it was ignored for a while when it was first posted. Plus Grusch said that there was another public UAP video posted that no one noticed, what if this is it? Would be crazy if it turned out to be true. But even if it was true, I doubt you could convince most people to accept it.

 

[not william stenchever]

He correctly says most stars are longer lived.
But those are brown and red dwarves which are usually very solar storm active.

This would either strip the atmosphere at worst, or at best carrington the planet so hard that its unlikely they could get an electric civilisation going.

I don't know so much about the propensity of red and brown dwarf stars to shit charged particles into their solar system but if you want to be interstellar Uncle Ted then digging into the crust of a planet orbiting that type of star seems like a good idea. You'd probably have to keep the water supply up by bringing in comets from the outer system, which would increase observability to outsiders

 

[The Gene Genie]

Just to be clear, new evidence found puts that video being posted a few months after the plane went missing, not two weeks. And to be fair, even back in 2014 a video like that could be made by CGI. The current argument isn't that this video couldn't have been completely made up by CGI back in 2014, but that if it was, it was made by someone who added autistic details that the average troll wouldn't think of. Plus, some of the details added appears to have come from information that was not available at the time, or at least was not common knowledge among the public. Again, if this is completely fake, whoever made it is a literal UAP, Military, and plane autist, or someone working on the inside.

It is fun to read about and I'm keeping an open mind. The Tic-Tac video looked fake too, and it was ignored for a while when it was first posted. Plus Grusch said that there was another public UAP video posted that no one noticed, what if this is it? Would be crazy if it turned out to be true. But even if it was true, I doubt you could convince most people to accept it.

On the bolded: They could wheel Spock or whatever out on international television and allow anyone and everyone to come and prick his skin to see the green blood or whatever and there would still be people who would deny the very reality in front of them.

The details are just too much. If it's a hoax it's the most well-done hoax in history. That's how detailed it is. I don't know what to think of it. I remember seeing the tic-tac videos online YEARS ago, before it surfaced on the MSM, and thinking it was the fakest shit ever. But turns out, and this thread kind of helped prove it to me, it's real. If this is real, it's bigger than those videos by a country mile.

 

[AgendaPoster]

What's you guys' take on the MH370 video that's been circulating?

It's one of the best likely fakes out there. The biggest deboonk I've seen yet is that the satellite in cause doesn't have a camera payload, and that the drone might be a 3D model due to some wireframe points allegedly being visible.
The UFO dance around the plane looks quite convincing. The 2014 date of the videos adds some credibility too.
I'd like a team of actual VFX specialists to take a look at the two clips, should be interesting. Personally I don't know enough AfterFX and the sort to make a judgement, and the resolution is also very low, with compression artifacts from 2014 YT. We need the original sources.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Ross claims that Hillary Clinton was meant to be the disclosure president and that Tom delonge was right about a lot. Delonge communicated with podesta regarding ets:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tvmhu/wow_ross_coulthart_claims_tom_delonge_is/

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Ross claims that Hillary Clinton was meant to be the disclosure president and that Tom delonge was right about a lot. Delonge communicated with podesta regarding ets:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tvmhu/wow_ross_coulthart_claims_tom_delonge_is/

Well that's over an hour long so I don't know what he said yet, but it doesn't sound too new. I think I first heard about Podesta's interest in UFOs around the time Obama got elected. Ross's book In Plain Sight talks a lot about Hillary Clinton being intended to be the Disclosure President:

https://archive.org/details/in-plain-sight-an-investigation-into-ufos-and-impossible-science-ross-coulthart-z-library

Spoiler: page 141

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It also discusses Tom DeLonge's and To The Stars Academy but IMO he does not end up making firm conclusions about the credibility of his information in the 2021 edition:

Spoiler: page 219

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A new 2023 edition is coming within a few weeks, and it could be interesting to see what changed.

 

[Flan Handler]

I remember a year or two ago, Lue Elizondo was being interviewed by- maybe Curt Jaimungal? and talked about how AATIP had validated certain civilian and military UAP sightings.

He stated that some civilian videos can be corroborated by weather and military satellites from above, which usually isn’t released publicly. But the government knows as much as it wants to.

He also said there are some legit videos on social media, and his coworkers wanted them taken down, but Lue said they should be left alone since removing them would draw attention to them.

Interesting.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Ross claims that Hillary Clinton was meant to be the disclosure president and that Tom delonge was right about a lot. Delonge communicated with podesta regarding ets:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tvmhu/wow_ross_coulthart_claims_tom_delonge_is/

The good stuff is at the end, at 1:06:03.

But, at risk of, and this is going to send incendiary shockwaves I can tell you through the UFO industry. Because, the other thing this guy asked me to say... these are not my conclusions. But I can tell you that this is information that came from somebody who had direct conversations with somebody with direct knowledge of what was then a crash retrieval program involving non-human technology at Area 51.

And he said that his relative never went public cause he wanted to live out a quiet and peaceful retirement. He said Bob Lazar did work at Area 51, but only for a very brief amount of time, and didn't know as much as he states publicly about how the craft functioned. Most of it is fabricated nonsense... this is not my view, please don't attack me. They could never figure out how the craft worked, nor could they even open it. "S-4" is only a group of radio communication equipment on top of Papoose Mountain. There are no hangars built into the base of the mountain housing nine saucers as Lazar claims.

My source said he admires George Knapp, and he's mostly on the right track except for Bob Lazar (Sorry, George).

There was no way he could have smuggled the close-up crystal clear photograph of the egg-shaped craft out of Area 51. Everyone's belongings and vehicles are constantly searched in and out of the facility. No one wants to lose their job or face other repercussions, so no one takes the risk. People work there for the long haul, it's a nice place to work. To retire with companies like "EG&G", and the people who run it currently, "JT4".

So I've got no doubt at all that now we've put that up on the Web, it's going to go nuts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EG%26G

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/JT4-Reviews-E33673.htm

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/jt4

 

[fukefacedog]

What's you guys' take on the MH370 video that's been circulating?

Impressive but needs faces to validate the authenticity of the footage.

 

[CoolFool]

Ross claims that Hillary Clinton was meant to be the disclosure president and that Tom delonge was right about a lot. Delonge communicated with podesta regarding ets:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15tvmhu/wow_ross_coulthart_claims_tom_delonge_is/

I cannot take Tom Delonge seriously. He talks like his an authority and that he knows a bunch of super secret information, yet then he will later go on and make guesses or assumptions, showing that even he doesn't know what's going on. I remember when his book came out, and the wikileak e-mails came out, people tried to read his book but couldn't because it's boring and filled with typos. I have always maintained that Podesta is a Blink 182 fan and he told Tom a lot of things as a fan/friend, but clearly he didn't give him any concrete details.

Since Tom's name keeps coming up, I decided to re-listen to his opinions of what he believes is going on, just to see if maybe I missed something years ago. Maybe he really is the Real Deal and really does Knows Things.

Well, all I feel is that I wasted my time, and my opinion of him has not changed. He thinks the government is not evil, they are the Good Guys just trying to protect us. That right there is a laugh, like I'm sure there are some people in the government trying to do the right thing, but give me a break.

Anyway, I remember listening to his theories and ideas, and I realized something... it sounded familiar. After a few days of looking around, I finally found what I was looking for. If you want to know what Tom Delonge believes, most of it is from this: https://sacred-texts.com/ufo/coverup.htm

It's a short read, I would read it. If anyone here can read that and tell me you believe it, I would ask that you give an explanation, because I can't take it seriously.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

WaPo on NewsNation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/08/18/newsnation-ufo-david-grusch-intercept-coulthart/

https://archive.ph/7njpA

Will Sommer is a media reporter for the Style section, specializing in covering conservative media and conspiracy theories. He's the author of "Trust the Plan: The Rise of QAnon and the Conspiracy That Unhinged America," a book covering the QAnon movement.

Congress.gov URL for the Schumer NDAA amendment, from commenter. It will cook in the conference committee until the end of September, I think.