General GunTuber thread

[Trig.Point]

I like forgotten weapons, but at some point Ian McCollum who has never served in a military bought into the idea that military equipment is over engineered because it has to compensate for soldiers 'figuring out ways to breaksstuff'.

A military rifle doesn't live in a rack in the Armory, or in some gun safe. It has to be lugged around by a soldier for weeks or months on end, whether slung or within arms reach. He could be a Mechanic working on a vehicle or a clerk in an office. Whatever the soldier is doing the rifle goes with him, it gets banged around, slung unslung, knocked against vehicles as they mount or dismount. They're not purposely fucking trying to fucking destroy them. It's just they have other things to fucking do.

In the 2010's after the 'Battle of Bastion' when the RAF waved a load of Taliban onto the camp. The weapons policy changed so that everyone had to carry a weapon with them 24/7 (anyone well connected got a pistol). Previously to that rifles were left in Armories often wrapped in sandbags. All of a sudden levels of faults started shooting up, and the monthly check zero shoots became an ordeal.

Anyway it's probably Ian's single most obnoxious characteristic. I suspect fostered by mainly talking to former SF operators (who incidentally usually have a team of Armorers and Store men supporting them).

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

I like forgotten weapons, but at some point Ian McCollum who has never served in a military bought into the idea that military equipment is over engineered because it has to compensate for soldiers 'figuring out ways to breaksstuff'.

A military rifle doesn't live in a rack in the Armory, or in some gun safe. It has to be lugged around by a soldier for weeks or months on end, whether slung or within arms reach. He could be a Mechanic working on a vehicle or a clerk in an office. Whatever the soldier is doing the rifle goes with him, it gets banged around, slung unslung, knocked against vehicles as they mount or dismount. They're not purposely fucking trying to fucking destroy them. It's just they have other things to fucking do.

In the 2010's after the 'Battle of Bastion' when the RAF waved a load of Taliban onto the camp. The weapons policy changed so that everyone had to carry a weapon with them 24/7 (anyone well connected got a pistol). Previously to that rifles were left in Armories often wrapped in sandbags. All of a sudden levels of faults started shooting up, and the monthly check zero shoots became an ordeal.

Anyway it's probably Ian's single most obnoxious characteristic. I suspect fostered by mainly talking to former SF operators (who incidentally usually have a team of Armorers and Store men supporting them).

He's right though. Weirdest ways to break a gun happens when it's in the hands of a Soldier let alone a Marine. Weirdos will have a cable cutter in their bag and out of sheer laziness will try to use their gun to break the wire off of a crate and usually ending up raping the threads on their gun's buffer tube

 

[Trig.Point]

He's right though. Weirdest ways to break a gun happens when it's in the hands of a Soldier let alone a Marine. Weirdos will have a cable cutter in their bag and out of sheer laziness will try to use their gun to break the wire off of a crate and usually ending up raping the threads on their gun's buffer tube

Their 'gun' ?

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

I like forgotten weapons, but at some point Ian McCollum who has never served in a military bought into the idea that military equipment is over engineered because it has to compensate for soldiers 'figuring out ways to breaksstuff'.

A military rifle doesn't live in a rack in the Armory, or in some gun safe. It has to be lugged around by a soldier for weeks or months on end, whether slung or within arms reach. He could be a Mechanic working on a vehicle or a clerk in an office. Whatever the soldier is doing the rifle goes with him, it gets banged around, slung unslung, knocked against vehicles as they mount or dismount. They're not purposely fucking trying to fucking destroy them. It's just they have other things to fucking do.

In the 2010's after the 'Battle of Bastion' when the RAF waved a load of Taliban onto the camp. The weapons policy changed so that everyone had to carry a weapon with them 24/7 (anyone well connected got a pistol). Previously to that rifles were left in Armories often wrapped in sandbags. All of a sudden levels of faults started shooting up, and the monthly check zero shoots became an ordeal.

Anyway it's probably Ian's single most obnoxious characteristic. I suspect fostered by mainly talking to former SF operators (who incidentally usually have a team of Armorers and Store men supporting them).

The one thing Ian has done that has never sat well with me was when he stuck the tip into the forward assist debate and the way he moved the goalposts after the Rittenhouse shooting.

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

Yankee Marshal is a known retard. Forever lol when he got BTFO'd of CHAZ.

The last time I paid any attention to Yankee Marshall was back when Johnny B was still Gun Drama Johnny, so I missed that. What happened?

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

The last time I paid any attention to Yankee Marshall was back when Johnny B was still Gun Drama Johnny, so I missed that. What happened?

He went down to CHAZ to express his solidarity and they told him to fuck off. He might still even have the video on his channel.

 

[Corn Flakes]

The one thing Ian has done that has never sat well with me was when he stuck the tip into the forward assist debate and the way he moved the goalposts after the Rittenhouse shooting.
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I get what you mean, but I don't think he was making a serious point there. Given that he's pinned that reply, looks more like he was just joking.

 

[Mikoyan]

A military rifle doesn't live in a rack in the Armory, or in some gun safe. It has to be lugged around by a soldier for weeks or months on end, whether slung or within arms reach. He could be a Mechanic working on a vehicle or a clerk in an office. Whatever the soldier is doing the rifle goes with him, it gets banged around, slung unslung, knocked against vehicles as they mount or dismount. They're not purposely fucking trying to fucking destroy them. It's just they have other things to fucking do.

It's a matter of tone. Banging around due to incidental handling is still finding ways to break stuff.

Also Ian's background is in truly historic arms, WW2 and back. When you were conscripting hoards of uneducated yokels on the regular I bet you got many even more creative ideas about weapons use than we get now.

 

[Corn Flakes]

It's a matter of tone. Banging around due to incidental handling is still finding ways to break stuff.

Also Ian's background is in truly historic arms, WW2 and back. When you were conscripting hoards of uneducated yokels on the regular I bet you got many even more creative ideas about weapons use than we get now.

Sure, but that gun was designed for an army that operated on a conscription system at the time. I've heard some horror stories from a friend who served as an armorer, and that's with our volunteer force. I can't imagine how much damage the average 18-year old farm boy from the late 70s in Spain could do to whatever equipment he was issued.

 

[Trig.Point]

Sure, but that gun was designed for an army that operated on a conscription system at the time. I've heard some horror stories from a friend who served as an armorer, and that's with our volunteer force. I can't imagine how much damage the average 18-year old farm boy from the late 70s in Spain could do to whatever equipment he was issued.

Mate Armorers in most militaries are a bunch of whinging little goblins, shut up in their little workshops with a complete inability to understand that equipment will fail due to normal daily use. They're not actually gunsmiths, mostly it's a non job which can be learned with a few weeks on the job training.

To give an example when the British Army bought Sig P226 for the first time ever the docs had to keep track of the number of rounds fired, and the Armorers were expected to do preventative maintenance and they just couldn't fucking cope with having to do work that didn't involve them whinging about operator abuse or insufficient cleaning. They were the reason the Army then bought Glocks even though the small arms instructors preferred the manual of arms for the Sig.

tl/dr your friend should hang himself.

 

[BaldAndMorallyBankrupt]

I like forgotten weapons, but at some point Ian McCollum who has never served in a military bought into the idea that military equipment is over engineered because it has to compensate for soldiers 'figuring out ways to breaksstuff'.

A military rifle doesn't live in a rack in the Armory, or in some gun safe. It has to be lugged around by a soldier for weeks or months on end, whether slung or within arms reach. He could be a Mechanic working on a vehicle or a clerk in an office. Whatever the soldier is doing the rifle goes with him, it gets banged around, slung unslung, knocked against vehicles as they mount or dismount. They're not purposely fucking trying to fucking destroy them. It's just they have other things to fucking do.

In the 2010's after the 'Battle of Bastion' when the RAF waved a load of Taliban onto the camp. The weapons policy changed so that everyone had to carry a weapon with them 24/7 (anyone well connected got a pistol). Previously to that rifles were left in Armories often wrapped in sandbags. All of a sudden levels of faults started shooting up, and the monthly check zero shoots became an ordeal.

Anyway it's probably Ian's single most obnoxious characteristic. I suspect fostered by mainly talking to former SF operators (who incidentally usually have a team of Armorers and Store men supporting them).

Ian suffers from this in two fronts.

One being that he's a military weapons expert with no military experience, a gap which he will rarely addresses and when he does he usually puts himself above people with actual military experience unless he is blatantly glazing someone like Vickers or that French GIGN dude he interviewed. On the other side i'm sure a lot of his takes and opinion are tainted from competition shooting, a field that can teach us a lot about short term ergonomics but is otherwise far removed from any sort of military reality.

This leads him to a lot of questionable assertions and ideas. His whole vendetta against FAs and the entirety of the WWSD program come to mind.

It's one of the reasons i like Jonathan Ferguson so much, he doesn't have any delusions or pretences about what he is or what he knows.

 

[White Devil]

I will say it's always amusing to hear gamer gunners try to tell me how I should shoot and set up my rifle.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I will say it's always amusing to hear gamer gunners try to tell me how I should shoot and set up my rifle.

Still slightly better than the range queen gunners in pretentiousness. And about the same as the mall ninja tacticool gunners in "why do you even exist" level of cringe.

 

[White Devil]

Still slightly better than the range queen gunners in pretentiousness. And about the same as the mall ninja tacticool gunners in "why do you even exist" level of cringe.

Throwing kettle bells simulates real combat, dude.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Throwing kettle bells simulates real combat, dude.

Might take them a little seriously if they had visible scars of where the wrenches hit them.

 

[quaawaa]

It's one of the reasons i like Jonathan Ferguson so much, he doesn't have any delusions or pretences about what he is or what he knows.

I don't like him because he's a typical British cuck who believes that guns are only for the government.

 

[AnyballLecter]

WTF is going on with Garand Thumb?

Watched his podcast with Admin. He looks bloated and dehydrated. I get two recommendations for his videos - same in both. He's like Bert Kreischer but with low body fat.


His face is puffy - alcholol or 'roids?
His eyes are red - hemp smoking?
He looks like he has been crying - suppressed homosexuality?

What is going on with Flannel Daddy?

 

[AGPinochet]

WTF is going on with Garand Thumb?

Watched his podcast with Admin. He looks bloated and dehydrated. I get two recommendations for his videos - same in both. He's like Bert Kreischer but with low body fat.


His face is puffy - alcholol or 'roids?
His eyes are red - hemp smoking?
He looks like he has been crying - suppressed homosexuality?

What is going on with Flannel Daddy?

He said on Reddit he's using TRT. He's also working out a lot to heal previous injuries (don't really understand the specifics of this since he has neck problems, ie how does upping your max bench by 50lbs unfuck that?)

 

[Full Spectrum]

The one thing Ian has done that has never sat well with me was when he stuck the tip into the forward assist debate and the way he moved the goalposts after the Rittenhouse shooting.
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Ian's video kind of glosses over a lot of the background and need for the device at the time and his ignorance on the matter mirrors Karl's and Sinistralrifleman of KE arms too. In the pre 1971 Colt guns they had a stronger extractor spring than any other that has ever been used since, but they also broke almost routinely before the 6,000 round endurance requirement - some in as little as a few hundred rounds. Not a lot of people are familiar with this change since it happened after most of the 1967 A1 changes and no one cares about extractor springs. Since the AR-15 is push feed, a strong extractor spring will increase failures of the bolt to lock into battery but also not allow the operator to extract the round (since the extractor claw hasn't slipped over the rim of the previous case) if they retract the charging handle causing a double feed when feeding the next round, therefore the forward assist will actually be the best choice in such a situation and was why the Army's first immediate action was to use the forward assist first and then last before shooting.

Back in the early M14 vs AR15 trials, it was noted that the AR15 had over 26 times more failures to chamber the first round, which if course stems from this issue (see attached). Later (in vietnam) they decided to change the immediate action procedure to not use the forward assist first, and also gave a general order to download magazines to less than 20 rounds so that this failure would not happen anymore since a full magazine has more tension and drags the bolt carrier so that the bolt has less energy to force the extractor claw over the rim of the case.



All of this is stuff that isn't written about in a book in a single perspective about the forward assist, so you couldn't refer to any actual historian's book on the subject to find this information, which is how Ian is getting most all of his information from aside from the one testing document he references in his video. I've actually been able to call up the real Springfield Armory and they checked a 3 of the AR-15 prototypes for me (S/N 6, 11, and 22) and all three had their original extractor springs, which were all broken, too. The original spring was a 5 coil spring like the fancy sprinco extractor spring, but instead of sprinco's 0.025" wire diameter the originals were 0.032" so they were significantly stronger (and also more strained leading to them breaking early). It's a shame that it's not worth writing a book over, but this isn't in any of the accessible AR-15 historical records or reference books that are available today so I have it on my boring youtube channel that no one will watch either.

The other funny thing is now, if you shoot suppressed with a good gun and good ammo, you're more likely to have a failure to chamber than ever before with all the blowback blowing lube off a gun and adding fouling compared to shooting even thousands of rounds unsuppressed. I estimate shooting something like 100 rounds suppressed is equivalent to shooting some thousands of rounds unsuppressed in terms of fouling and lube blowoff, based on my tests compared against others.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Oh man. Are we going to have the FA conversation again?