David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

[Falcos_Commisar]

Ya know what, fuck it. I have spent over a decade repressing the urge to gatekeep military history and culture and trying to bridge the civ/military divide, only making points when I felt I had to. This one little faggot has made me change my mind and go full Vietnam vet. I'm buying one of those bright red OEF baseball caps and pinning my ribbons to a motorcycle vest. 111,000 Americans died in the Pacific to keep this faggots island safe. The Enterprise was crewed by living men who fought and died across the largest front in human history. Reducing their story to fucking anime tropes is disrespectful as hell, especially from a college kid with a meme political ideology. Show some fucking respect for those who came before and undertook something your sheltered ass couldn't possibly understand. Holy shit. This isn't ancient Rome, it's what our Grandfathers went through.

I like Bill. He reminds me of a teacher I had in HS who was also a former USN O-6. But those guys record stuff ages in advance and I think Bill is doing that tour of the South Pacific, assuming he recorded the Pearl episode a month or two ago.

Agreed, gatekeep HARD as keep know nothing retards from shitting up the space.

Without getting too much into it, I have a master's in military history, and I can say, without exception, nobody takes him seriously. I'm not talking about LazerPig the character, I'm talking about David Steel the """historian.""" A good way to sniff out a bullshit historian or a historian that is trying to bullshit you is by trying to peg what exactly their specialty is. For example, I am interested in and like to talk about stuff all the way back to the Peloponnesian War, Rome, the Middle Ages, and all that, however the stuff I actually consider myself an expert in is a small handful of counterinsurgency conflicts during the cold war.

If you listen to David, however, he will regularly opine on the entire World War era, and every aspect, from armor to ships, he'll talk about the Cold War, he'll talk about current events, he'll talk about fucking failed spy satellite programs, and he will throw around his """credentials""" as a historian, essentially making an appeal to authority where he is the authority. I would personally advise anyone wanting to learn about military history, even casually, to not take him seriously.

Yep, he spreads himself extremely thin and purports to be an expert on most everything he blabbers on about.

Oh and his utter inability to show his sources..... very suspicious.

Eh, I think its overengineered as shit, russians should've gone with an evolutionary version of the T-95 keeping the manned turret and autoloader but with blast doors, more engine power, better transmission, better optics and put far more resources on the ARENA system.

The T-14 is too big of a departure and while having a guy inside just to load the cannon its dumb having a completely closed unmanned turret its just as dumb IMHO.

Just my 2 cents.

Or even the Object 187

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obiekt_187

That is what the T-90 should have been but it was JUST different enough that it wasn't backwards compatible with the rest of the Russian tank fleet.

T-14 isn't really all that advanced. It's an all digital vehicle yes but it really isn't a giant leap forward as some think it is compared to say Russia's own T-90M. It's better and from what we know it has some decent advantages over western tank but its a marginal to decent advantage at best.

The biggest issue for the Russians is that the T-14 is an entirely new vehicle that requires entirely new tooling and separate production lines and suppliers. Lot more money is needed as well. T-90M still shares a lot in common with the T-72B3Ms and by extension the rest of the 72 lineage.

Unmanned turrets are likely the future in general. South Korea's K3 concept features one. There are talks that Europe's MGCS (Main Ground Combat System) will reduce the crew to two and implement an unmanned turret. US' DLP (Decisive Lethality Platform previously called OMT) has had concepts with low profile and unmanned turrets. The M1E3 which is a recently announced major iteration of the Abrams will likely have an unmanned turret or at the very least a low profile one.

What the T-14 lacks is major advancements in optics and surveillance. Stuff like augmented reality and AI assistance. This stuff is being looked at for the programs I've listed above and even Israel is now putting these features on their AFVs. Though a new T-14 iteration is apparently in development. Perhaps we'll see such advancements there.

Ehhh AR and AI assistance is probably over hyped as hell, especially in ground combat vehicles. Too many things to trip it up.

The Israelis are just manpower constrained and are looking for an easy win. They could just put autoloaders in their tanks but that probably sounds boring and some Israeli officer wants to sound cool for his post service startup job so "AI tank" is thrown around.

Unmanned turrets to the scale of an MBT turret sounds fussy

The ones we've seen in service are usually on IFVs with access hatches or even backup controls in the turret so gun issues/mechanical issues can be dealt with under armor and the crew can look out of a hatch of the optics are destroyed.

His claims on the AK are even far more retarded than AK being an StG clone. According to his twitter he is going to claim that the AK is a Thompson clone designed by Kalashnikov's apprentice.

Holy Christ only a Brit could be this ignorant in terms of firearm design.

I think its gonna be another overhyped solution that will not pan out just like at one point all tanks were going to have turbine engines but only 2 did and the results were underwhelming at best.

When the autoloader in a regular tank gets jammed you un-jam it, how you do that with a closed unmanned turret? ask the people outside for a time out so you can get out of the cockpit and into the turret to fix it?. We already don't use autoloaders because "what if it fails?!" and we're going with an autoloader that can't be fixed in the middle of battle?.

Agreed. The only reason most Western tank turrets are so tall is because they have to support a human loader that stands up in it.

Meanwhile the autoloader equipped Leclerc, Type 90, Type 10 and K2 have lower profile turrets.

 

[The Foxtrot]

The Enterprise was crewed by living men who fought and died across the largest front in human history. Reducing their story to fucking anime tropes is disrespectful as hell, especially from a college kid with a meme political ideology. Show some fucking respect for those who came before and undertook something your sheltered ass couldn't possibly understand. Holy shit. This isn't ancient Rome, it's what our Grandfathers went through.

This is something that's bothered me for years. Especially with Azur Lane making every damn ship a big tiddy waifu, it cheapens the real world impact of historical events and makes the ships too abstract.

What do I mean? Well I've been on more than one of those museum ships on display across the USA, and the Yorktown and Laffey both made the biggest impression on me. Running your hands on various spots on the bulkheads, walking all throughout the ship, seeing all the little imperfections really makes the ships seem more...I don't know how to describe it, but it hammers home the fact that these weren't built by some unknowable force, they were designed by men and built by men, crewed by men who were barely old enough to qualify as such.
You can still feel the pride in the workmanship, the strength of that old steel, still smell the oil from the hangar decks and machine shops. See all the little comic strips and newspapers preserved in the berths and the Galley from the 1940s-1960s when the Yorktown was in service and realize that for over 3,000 Americans, this was home.

Then go in the third turret mount on the Laffey and go through the simulation of what it was like during that one Kamikaze attack, hear the sounds of the guns firing and the lights blinking and flickering as the ship takes damage, feel the steel you thought was sturdy and unmoving...and it's vibrating and rattling from the force of those impacts...then the final explosion that signaled the original third turret mount being destroyed that day. Then you read how many men were killed in that attack (35), and realize that one of those men could have been you, 78 years ago. It's a sobering experience.



But no, why bother with any of that when you can write a shitty ecchi fapfic because your brain is so fucking rotted you can't comprehend the real world with the gravity it deserves? There's no difference between faggots like this and morons on Twatter who compare everything to Harry Potter.

His claims on the AK are even far more retarded than AK being an StG clone. According to his twitter he is going to claim that the AK is a Thompson clone designed by Kalashnikov's apprentice.

Anything to not have to give a Russian credit on anything, eh? Has Lazernig never seen an AK disassembled? The AK bolt/piston's basically just the M1 Garand's bolt/piston flipped upside down...which Mikhail Kalashnikov had said was his inspiration for what would become the AK-47.

The Avtomat Kalashnikova and Thompson SMG have basically nothing in common, so where the fuck did Lazernig get this retarded idea?

 

[Jewthulhu]

The Avtomat Kalashnikova and Thompson SMG have basically nothing in common, so where the fuck did Lazernig get this retarded idea?

I'm pretty sure he thinks the only good ideas in military equipment has come from the west. He's a westophile to a retarded extent.

It's one thing to like western equipment and think it's generally pretty good, it's another to pretend that the Challenger is literally invincible and that Kalashnikov Kalashnikov's apprentice could have only gotten design of the AK from the glorious Thompson.

 

[The Foxtrot]

I'm pretty sure he thinks the only good ideas in military equipment has come from the west. He's a westophile to a retarded extent.

I guess nobody tell him a bunch of firsts in military technology were done by the USSR, like composite armor (Qvartz) and ERA (Kontakt-1). Hell, the BMP-1 basically invented the concept of an IFV and it took the USA almost 20 years to realize that making our own analogue to it wasn't a bad idea.

It's one thing to like western equipment and think it's generally pretty good, it's another to pretend that the Challenger is literally invincible and that Kalashnikov Kalashnikov's apprentice could have only gotten design of the AK from the glorious Thompson.

Even by WW2 standards, the Thompson was a subpar design compared to the MP-38/MP-40, PPSh-41, or PPS-43. The Thompson was/is heavy as shit, had a firing rate that was way too fast for its own good, and had a pretty big kick to its recoil. There's a reason it didn't really see much use post-WW2 in the US Military while the M3 Grease Gun was still issued until Desert Storm.

 

[AeroGavin Rossdale]

This is something that's bothered me for years.

Well, I'm going back on my pledge to gate keep military history. I'm not a ship guy, but I'm glad you could understand the seriousness of what was happening. It's something missing in our understanding of WWII. It wasn't the good war, set apart for the good guys to win. It sucked, really hard. There was no predetermined good end, just people doing the best they could to survive and following the best.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

>Open-bolt pistol caliber blowback operating system
>Closed rotating bolt intermediate caliber gas piston system
>Clearly these are the same thing.

Good God this is going to be entertaining if he goes through with it.

But still going with the bullshit claim that Kalashnikov didn't do anything himself, lmao.

I'm going to go ahead and leave this little pre-rebuttal courtesy of Mishaco on the history of the AK design and the claims that it's a copy of the STG or anything fucking else for that matter, or the claims that Mikhail Kalashnikov was a dumb drunk vatnik orc that was too stupid to make anything on his own and just claimed credit.

There's more M1 Garand in the AK than StG44

 

[WULULULULU]

But no, why bother with any of that when you can write a shitty ecchi fapfic because your brain is so fucking rotted you can't comprehend the real world with the gravity it deserves? There's no difference between faggots like this and morons on Twatter who compare everything to Harry Potter.

Azur Lane and its consequences have been a disaster for military history. Not even WoT or GuP have done such damage compared to that.

 

[Scout Trooper]

Great job on this so far, team.

I love that the pro-Ukraine and pro-Russia posters can work together and finally give this cow the thread he's been practically begging for with his unhinged faggot antics.

In addition to the suspect nature of a lot of his takes, I second Nicholas Moran and others here who've criticized the tone where this guy (and frankly a lot of similar personalities) turns military matters into some UwU faggot anime shit or whatever other cutesy bullshit.

I don't find it funny, clever, or appropriate when we're talking about the business of killing to turn it into some weird fetish.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Well, I'm going back on my pledge to gate keep military history. I'm not a ship guy, but I'm glad you could understand the seriousness of what was happening. It's something missing in our understanding of WWII. It wasn't the good war, set apart for the good guys to win. It sucked, really hard. There was no predetermined good end, just people doing the best they could to survive and following the best.

I was a young boy and would listen to my great grandfather tell me in detail about his time spent as a Marine in the Pacific. Most of my family has served at some point or another, so for me, as I have said before on why I don't support going to war again out of "LOL FUCK RUSSIA USA USA!", I am too familiar with the human cost of war. Especially since my dad's suffered from Gulf War Syndrome my entire life, and he only recently got awarded partial disability for it.

For most dumbass Zoomers, it's something they play a troonshit Call of Duty game about. For me, it's stories from family members, pictures, a diary, and little mementos passed down from that generation until mine from those times.

Another fun fact about the Yorktown? Even today, she's not just a museum ship, she's a designated emergency shelter in case of a hurricane, so in a small way she is still protecting the people of the United States of America.

Azur Lane and its consequences have been a disaster for military history. Not even WoT or GuP have done such damage compared to that.

I'm not against waifu and weebshit in general as an idea...but you are too fucking correct. Doubly so since Russian ships have always been referred to as "He", same with Bismarck and Tirpitz, yet they can't help but moe the fuck out of them and give them comically large boobs and make them typical otaku bullshit stock anime characters.

 

[WULULULULU]

I'm not against waifu and weebshit in general as an idea...but you are too fucking correct. Doubly so since Russian ships have always been referred to as "He", same with Bismarck and Tirpitz, yet they can't help but moe the fuck out of them and give them comically large boobs and make them typical otaku bullshit stock anime characters.

Not to mention AL is notorious for its yuri. So you heard it right, its lesbo shit combined with warship-to-coombait weebshit.

 

[make_it_so]

The Avtomat Kalashnikova and Thompson SMG have basically nothing in common, so where the fuck did Lazernig get this retarded idea?

The closest case in which Mikhail Kalashnikov could be argued to have cribbed from the Thompson was in the case of his unsuccessful submachinegun design that he developed and submitted for the 1942 trials.

Just from a quick glance you can see the influences, and it makes sense that it would've been as the USSR at that time had received sizable quantities of Thompsons from the US via Lend-Lease, and Kalashnikov - ever the inquisitive mechanical tinkerer - no doubt had access to them and probably popped one open to see how it worked. (You can also see the obvious influence of the German MP-38/40, which the Soviets had captured a fair number of examples of and Kalashnikov also would've had access to)

Much like the Thompson it was a blowback system, and also much like the Thompson Kalashnikov's design would've been too complex and expensive to mass produce under Russia's wartime constraints, which is why it was rejected in favor of Sudaev's PPS-43. However the people that did review the gun noted Kalashnikov's obvious talent and creativity, and him sent to the Soviet Main Artillery Directorate (the GAU, today the GRAU) to receive more formal education and training on firearms design and engineering and give him more hands on experience. This is what would ultimately open up the door for Kalashnikov to participate in the future design competition for an intermediate-cartridged "assault rifle" and develop what would become the AK-47.

It's one thing to like western equipment and think it's generally pretty good, it's another to pretend that the Challenger is literally invincible and that Kalashnikov Kalashnikov's apprentice could have only gotten design of the AK from the glorious Thompson.

More than anything it speaks to Lazerfag's absolute ignorance. Mikhail Kalashnikov had a very prolific and successful design career that went beyond just the AK-47, not only refining his rifle into both the AKM and later AK-74, but also developing the PK universal machinegun system used in tanks/AFV's as well as in manportable infantry weapons, and the RPK squad automatic weapon. That a guy who likes to fancy himself online as a military history expert would think that someone like that needed their fucking assistant to design weapons for them should be fucking embarrassing.

There's more M1 Garand in the AK than StG44

You take a close look at some of the features and parts of the STG-44, and you'll see that if anything the AR-15 took more design influence the STG-44 than the AK-47 did.

 

[Mr.Bucket]

Reducing their story to fucking anime tropes is disrespectful as hell

This is why I can't stand stuff like Azur Lane, Girls und panzer, etc. etc. Taking these very real things that real human beings fought and died on/in/with and turning them into anime waifus is so stupidly disrespectful I find a hard time formulating the words to explain it. I'd perhaps go as far as 'pissing on graves' level of disrespect.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I just wanna say holy shit, we actually did it. Welcome to the LP thread everyone! Prepare to meet the incarnation of Soy itself!

That lightsaber photograph makes me think: dang, they'll take anyone into the Jedi Order now. I actually heard of him but never really watched his videos much, but just from the little I know he seemed a little bit full of himself.

Damn, good OP. I knew about his really retarded military takes but didn't realize he had this much cow shit in his back ground.

The stuff with The_Chieftain was pretty far into the drama cow direction since it wasn't really like The_Chieftain was picking a fight or anything. He'd just seen a lot of talk about the T-14 engine sperging that Lazer Nig had started and had to comment on it since he kept getting asked about it.

Honestly I think his takes are in the vein of "support the current thing" more than a legitimate criticism of the land of Rus. Like if things were reversed and the West was supporting Russia against Ukraine his videos would reflect that. A bit NPC-ish to say the least.

As always, I thank God for giving me good parents, a good upbringing, and knowing when you're deep in a hole. Because as much of a fuck-up we all can be, at least we're not this pigger.

"The only reason people have kids is so that they can be disappointed in someone other than themselves." I don't remember where I heard this but PlazmaHog or whatever his dumbass name is make a strong case for it.

Holy shit this thread exploded since I last was here.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Yeah he's outright lying on that unless he's using some really funny numbers he managed to twist around to get that. I agree that a CAS aircraft should have a gun or something as precise as a gun, but you'd have to be insane to use that as a primary weapon.

Current block SDBs are more precise than the CEP of the GAU-8. Guns are fine, but the answer isn't forcing people to build planes that waste weight on a gun, the answer is just making them compatible with current gun pods. The most common gun pod the US uses is the M25/SUU-23/A, which has been in service since the 60s and uses a 20mm rotary cannon.

 

[Foltest]

About time this thread was made.
I like some of his content but he is such a prick to everyone that disagree. Throwing insults, calling them vatniks etc etc.
Him blaming on "I was drunk" is something that most people stopped doing when they turned 25, but he is in his 30s! It is not "lol random" or "man, that is based" with being drunk all the time. It is sad and pathetic.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

why the AK47 was not an amazing gun (who the fuck still thinks that? we all know it had some issues).

Ahem, akshully, there's no such thing as AK 47. There were AK type 1 and 3 and AKM, followed by AK 74. And from this one numbers were added into name

 

[RSU 1741]

Ahem, akshully, there's no such thing as AK 47. There were AK type 1 and 3 and AKM, followed by AK 74. And from this one numbers were added into name

Someone should tell the Soviets and their official documentation. I bet they'll be thrilled to discover they are wrong.

(Also, I seriously doubt the Pig is so retarded to waddle face-first into a Kalashnikov discussion: the subject has been extensively researched, extensively discussed, discussed in biographies an' shit. At this point he could resurrect the Schmeisser / AKM myth for the combo. First time ever I read that the AK is Thompson-inspired tho, the Soviets didn't particularly like the Thompson even if Stalin personally did)

 

[Doinker Marmalade]

Great thread! I'm happy more NAFO-adjacent individuals are getting the attention they deserve.
But please, PLEASE, PLEASE can we not turn this into a military autism discussion thread, unless it's directly related to (one of the many) erroneous statements LP makes?

 

[Corn Flakes]

OP really needs a paragraph on LP's "debate" with Gonzo. It's usually considered a W for LP, but I think it's relevant to his story because I'm pretty sure all the praise he's received for Gonzalo Lira's complete fucking meltdown on that stream was one of the catalysts to his ego going from "inflated" to "full-sized Hindenburg replica".

The closest case in which Mikhail Kalashnikov could be argued to have cribbed from the Thompson was in the case of his unsuccessful submachinegun design that he developed and submitted for the 1942 trials.

Just from a quick glance you can see the influences, and it makes sense that it would've been as the USSR at that time had received sizable quantities of Thompsons from the US via Lend-Lease, and Kalashnikov - ever the inquisitive mechanical tinkerer - no doubt had access to them and probably popped one open to see how it worked. (You can also see the obvious influence of the German MP-38/40, which the Soviets had captured a fair number of examples of and Kalashnikov also would've had access to)

Much like the Thompson it was a blowback system, and also much like the Thompson Kalashnikov's design would've been too complex and expensive to mass produce under Russia's wartime constraints, which is why it was rejected in favor of Sudaev's PPS-43. However the people that did review the gun noted Kalashnikov's obvious talent and creativity, and him sent to the Soviet Main Artillery Directorate (the GAU, today the GRAU) to receive more formal education and training on firearms design and engineering and give him more hands on experience. This is what would ultimately open up the door for Kalashnikov to participate in the future design competition for an intermediate-cartridged "assault rifle" and develop what would become the AK-47.

This has got to be it. Even LP's sycophants would tell him that he's wrong if he were trying to claim the AK, for all its perceived or real faults, was a derivative of the Thompson of all things.

Of course, he's guaranteed to go for the character assassination and try to prove that Mikhail Kalashnikov, a man with a gun design and engineering record a mile long, was actually "not that good". Actually, let me put on my Carnac the Magnificent turban and make some educated guesses on the Pig's talking points:
- his uncredited assistants actually designed the gun, not him (designing a gun is a team effort, and IIRC many of Kalashnikov's assistants moved on to be successful engineers themselves)
- the AK isn't the perfect gun with no flaws vatniks claim it is (classic strawman, the gun is highly influential for a reason, it was a great fit for the Soviets' requirements)
- he only worked on one family of guns using similar operating principles (he oversaw the gun going from milled to stamped receiver, adapted it to a SAW form factor, then to a larger belt-fed cartridge, none of this is trivial)

Let's put a pin on this post and wait to see if LP ever releases that video on the AK. I'm sure I'm going to get at least one of these points right.

(Also, I seriously doubt the Pig is so retarded to waddle face-first into a Kalashnikov discussion: the subject has been extensively researched, extensively discussed, discussed in biographies an' shit. At this point he could resurrect the Schmeisser / AKM myth for the combo. First time ever I read that the AK is Thompson-inspired tho, the Soviets didn't particularly like the Thompson even if Stalin personally did)

The T-34 has also been extensively researched, extensively discussed, and has multiple books on it.

And yet the guy waded right into it guns-a-blazing and completely lost his shit when he got even relatively mild pushback from someone more serious about history than him.

I really want him to make that video now. Hell, even the Patton video would be interesting, because he can't claim "Russian propaganda" to try to discredit his achievements. Yes, the guy was a major asshole and had an ego that would rival LP's, but everybody with even the mildest interest in history already knows of his flaws. And the people who don't, wouldn't be interested in his video to begin with. I want to see actual WWII biographers tearing into this idiot.

Azur Lane and its consequences have been a disaster for military history. Not even WoT or GuP have done such damage compared to that.

Azur Lane and Girls und Panzer and all those "cute girls doing military things" work perfectly fine as gateway drugs into harder history and that's all they're good for. The problem isn't the T&A so much as immature idiots can't leave their toys behind and grow the fuck up when they move on to more serious subjects. Just like Harry Potter was a gateway into reading for millions of children. Most moved on from it and might still think of it fondly, but they're adults now and they aren't calling politicians "Voldermort". The ones that do are the same kind of children who can't look at a WWII warship and not imagine the silver-haired waifu some Chinese company designed to fleece their money with.

Anecdotes are worth fuck-all, I know, but I personally know of two people who developed a serious interest in military history from weeb shit. One through Kantai Collection (the first girls-as-ships pin-up weeb game to really take off), the other through Girls Und Panzer. They still have their waifus and their figurines on their shelves, but when talking about the actual ships and tanks they're not going bUt In KaNcOlLe/gUp It CoUlD dO [thing]. They can compartmentalize the fiction of the shit they enjoy watching from the actual history they're discussing.

Immature, attention-seeking morons like Animarchy are just trying to cash-in on the ones that can't and muddling the field for everybody else.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

the AK isn't the perfect gun with no flaws vatniks claim it is (classic strawman, the gun is highly influential for a reason, it was a great fit for the Soviets' requirements)

This is the crux of the issue. I cannot stand "muh X vs Y" arguments. They're bad. Military procurement and development is largely determined first by the requirements of the interested party, and secondly the assets that can be leveraged. For instance, and this is a complete hypothetical, if you're say, a developed yet isolationist nation with a small defense industry base yet massive industrial potential due to private civilian sector industries and you find yourself thrust into a massive, civilization-scale war after someone unexpectedly sinks your battleships at dock; you would likely ask those private, until now civilian industrial minds, for tank designs.

Now, if you were to ask this hypothetical Mord Fotor Company for tank designs that can leverage, there's that word again, what they already have, which is skilled welders and auto plant workers used to making Mord Fodel Gs, they likely would scribble up something that uses a modified version of a chassis they already make, which is welded together, and uses a gasoline engine, since they have decades of experience in making easy to maintain, easy to use, relatively efficient engines. This may sound stupid, since you are a very smort boi and are aware that diesel is less prone to ignition during combat and is also 11% more efficient when talking about BTUs per unit of volume, but you need tanks NOW, and you also produce an absolutely absurd amount of gasoline. Additionally, since you have no army armor corps to speak of, you need to leverage the skills of your potential recruit base, which is every military aged male in your country. Now, because your civilian industrial base is so large, Mord's existing gasoline engines are already ubiquitous in your nation's millions of trucks, cars, busses, and machinery, which means you have millions of men that are already potential mechanics for your potential tank, with minimal advanced training.

I could go on but you get the point. The vast majority of "X v Y" arguments are retarded, as the question is never, ever as simple as "what is the absolute best piece of equipment I could possibly make ever of all time?" Even though I'm talking about tanks, the idea can obviously easily translate to literally anything else an army purchases.