Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Hitman One]

A decent amount of stuff is pointing to building hype around Unova

Kantochads this is unacceptable. We require at least three more re-makes before Unova can be considered.

 

[Archeops]

double-posting for some news

GameFreak left in placeholders for the Indigo Disk when releasing their patch for the Teal Mask. Baffles me how they still haven't learned better after the disaster that was SM's demo; maybe it's some weird stealth marketing thing. That aside-

The data hints towards- at minimum-
• 4 new abilities,
• 76 new items (seem to be mostly TM materials),
• 15 new moves,
• 8 new species.
If that last part is true, then it means GF have officially revealed about half of the new mon for Indigo Disk already.

Archaludon, Raging Bolt, Iron Crown, and Terapagos take up half those slots...

Going off of GF's retarded insistence on signature abilities regarding new mon, I think there'll be 3 new families of mon. Seeing as both Paradoxes already have abilities shoed-in and Archaludon will likely just keep Duraludon's (since it's not a new form like BM-Ursaluna), alongside Terapagos absolutely having some kind of signature if only for being the flagship Legendary, I think there'll be another convergent of some kind (with its matching evo) and then another cross-gen evo or new form. I highly doubt there will actually be many new mon outside of evolutions or other ties to existing families considering the environment and location.

Yeah… about that species bit…

It’s very likely that Dipplin’s getting it, Kaphotics says that the game data for Dipplin has a defined evolution and it’s been discovered that Eviolite works on it. After that you have to add in Paradox Entei And Paradox Terrakion to complete the trios that Walking Wake and Iron Leaves started. And finally it’s rumored that the final Pokémon in the DLC is based off of Momotaro.

As far as Abilities are concerned it’s been confirmed that Archaludon has Stamina and Sturdy as its two normal Abilities on the official site while its Hidden Ability being unknown as of this writing, Paradox Entei and Terrakion will more than likely have their respective Paradox ’mon Abilities and have no other Ability, Terapagos‘s Ability/Abilities being unknown and said Pokémon possibly having a similar Ability gimmick that Ogerpon has, and the rumored Momotaro Pokémon would have a new Ability (with the possibility of its HA also being new).

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

GameFreak left in placeholders for the Indigo Disk when releasing their patch for the Teal Mask. Baffles me how they still haven't learned better after the disaster that was SM's demo; maybe it's some weird stealth marketing thing. That aside-

The data hints towards- at minimum-
• 4 new abilities,
• 76 new items (seem to be mostly TM materials),
• 15 new moves,
• 8 new species.
If that last part is true, then it means GF have officially revealed about half of the new mon for Indigo Disk already.

Archaludon, Raging Bolt, Iron Crown, and Terapagos take up half those slots...

Definitely minimum... I say that one of those slots i Small Terapagos. Tw of those are definitely Future Terrakion and Past Entei.
Tw other slots... I have two possibilities. One would be those fusions of the Future Musketeers and Past Legendary Beasts. Another would be a Future Keldeo and a Pas Tenshou (my nickname of that design exercise) or something.

 

[Coelacanth]

I don't give a FUCK about doomposting, let's post some jams

>No Gen 2 kino

Shame on all of you. Dishonor on you. Dishonor on your Miltank.

What's that? No HGSS? Get that normie shit out of here this is a soundtrack for men, not remakechuds!

 

[Kari Kamiya]

R&S Pinball's rendition of Rayquaza's theme is the bomb.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

Right, cleared all the Teal Mask bullshit. It’s… alright. Passable enough, but I had incredibly low expectations. I feel like if I hadn’t brought in my actually built Skeledirge, it might’ve actually required some effort, but even then not that much. Some technical fuckery and stutters when the game was trying to load things, ymmv if it’s better or worse than at launch.

Spoiler: In case anyone really gives a shit

The biggest upside is that the autists that make up the player base made Trade Codes specifically for the Trade Evolutions and Exclusives. Close seconds are the Sinnoh Starter Egg that from the looks of it is whatever starter would have type advantage over yours (would probably feel better if I got that early game, assuming that Levels here scaled with Main Story progress, but a free Piplup is a free Piplup), and getting a Hisuian Growlithe as a Sidequest Reward - I have my soft spots.

I’d give it a Meh. It’s about what you’d expect from Gamefreak at this point. Colisseum and XD remakes/remasters when you cowards.

Also Jesus fuck Bloodmoon Ursaluna is hilariously overtuned, Smogon nerds have fun with that one

 

[Archeops]

It appears that, in addition to the Ability/attack/item/Pokemon species text data that was discovered two days ago, we have habitat data that basically spoils the entire Blueberry Academy Pokedex.

Spoiler: The leak in question

Do take note that this doesn’t include Pokemon only found in the text data (Pokémon species numbered 1013 and 1017-1023) and Pokêmon that don’t have Dex entries like returning Legendaries.

I feel like if I hadn’t brought in my actually built Skeledirge, it might’ve actually required some effort, but even then not that much.

That's pretty much what I'm hearing from people on Twitter, they're basically suggesting that you should bring in a new team if you've already completed the base game.

Some technical fuckery and stutters when the game was trying to load things, ymmv if it’s better or worse than at launch.

The technical side of Pokémon Twitter did some testing and it's apparently worse, if you date-skip (in order to refresh raid and outbreaks) for 30 minutes or more the framerate takes a nosedive and the game still crashes if you walk in and out of "gated" spaces like the labs in Area Zero for too long. I've also personally noticed that the game's been crapping out more often than it used to in general.

Spoiler: In case anyone really gives a shit

The biggest upside is that the autists that make up the player base made Trade Codes specifically for the Trade Evolutions and Exclusives. Close seconds are the Sinnoh Starter Egg that from the looks of it is whatever starter would have type advantage over yours (would probably feel better if I got that early game, assuming that Levels here scaled with Main Story progress, but a free Piplup is a free Piplup), and getting a Hisuian Growlithe as a Sidequest Reward - I have my soft spots.

Eh, the trade evolutions can be obtained in 5-star and 6-star raids (Trevenant can also be found in the Timeless Woods, Kitakami Wilds, and as a fixed spawn at the Crystal Pool) while the version exclusives can be obtained via online raids with enough persistence. I do concede that they can be good if tradebacks (in order to evolve any Shiny Pokémon) are allowed.

I’d give it a Meh. It’s about what you’d expect from Gamefreak at this point.

I can agree with that, it was kind of the same story with SWSH’s DLC: a mid-tier Part 1 DLC and hopefully an acceptable-to-good-tier Part 2.

Colisseum and XD remakes/remasters when you cowards.

I mentioned it earlier but Colosseum/XD remakes are out of the question for multiple reasons (the big two being the “death” of Genius Sonority and main line games having reached Stadium/2/Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution’s “Pokémon battles in a 3D space” gimmick and main selling point back in Gen 6).

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Do take note that this doesn’t include Pokemon only found in the text data (Pokémon species numbered 1013 and 1017-1023) and Pokêmon that don’t have Dex entries like returning Legendaries.

>my BW bros Zebstrika, Scrafty and Reuniclus are in
Dex is officially SAVED
also lol @ Alomomola being included for some reason

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Colisseum and XD remakes/remasters when you cowards.

Ever since Paper Mario: the Thousand Year Door emake got announced, Collosseum/XD remakes are much more likely.

I feel that would be an end of life thing, since Pokémon rereleases were used in boosting sales in low or troubling times.

 

[Anonitolia]

Spoiler: The leak in question

Spoiler: breakdown of everything available

I now see why they had to advertise all the starters returning
EDITING IN SOME NUMBERS FOR THE VISUALLY-IMPAIRED:

• 105 families included (single-stages counted as "families")
• of these, 24 are starters (approx. 1/4 of the dex)
• 46 can be achieved through regular, non-DLC gameplay (includes 7-star raid events and previously-mentioned starters; approx. half the dex)
• 12 can be achieved through HOME transfer (includes Hisuian Braviary, Kantonian Tauros)
• 7 were already re-added in Teal Mask
• 38 families are "truly returning", excluding starters, having shown up nowhere else in the game in any form (only about 1/3 of the dex)
• including starters, this number goes up to 49
• 14 of these "truly returning" families are from Kanto (includes the two starters), 8 are from Unova.

seeing as this excludes legendaries these numbers will obviously go up later, but for now these are the stats

 

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[Lone Star]

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I have to admit, the concept of sort of "cryptid" Pokémon is kind of neat on paper. But since Pokémon can basically come in any shape or form, it'd be hard to make a cryptid one feel out of place aside from going totally alien like the Ultra Beasts, and even some of them just felt like Pokémon. Also catching the "cryptid" and then taking selfies with it and taking it on picnics would ruin its atmosphere.

 

[Anonitolia]

rip "hysterical" post
TL;DRing it because I can't remember the whole thing:

• it's hardly even been 4 days (since its release at time of writing) and Serebii is already out of things to cover (after he was already scrambling for anything major on day 3); your $35 at work ladies and gentlemen
• you can change the menu borders on the game's UI to always be Paldea's/Kitakami's, but only if you talk to a very specific NPC in the Community Center of the Kitakami region. Laughed my ass off because to me it's even worse than the retarded earbuds in SwSh where you had to speak to a completely random dude an hour into the game to unlock the sound options in your options menu.
• 40+ returning Pokémon had their battle idles plopped into the water instead of being given either that butt-ugly floatie that non-swimming mon use or actual new swimming animations (one of these mon was Milotic, which made me sad because it was already done so dirty in BDSP). Distribution of the new swimming animations is also very haphazard- as an example, Slowpoke doesn't swim but Slowbro + Slowking do.
• patch 2.0.1 added different borders in the Rotom Phone menus based on which phone case you had, which I enjoyed but bemoaned for so obviously being content that was cut from the base game either due to being unfinished or to be used as update fodder. Some of my favorite cases at the time were the Scarlet/Violet Book borders and the BDSP-exclusive Poketch skin.
• After I made the post, Ramotith argued that Slowpoke having its battle idle plopped in the water was in-character, to which I agreed but stated that it didn't matter because I still found it lazy and the rest of the mon that were plopped into the water had no excuse.

 

[Anonitolia]

in more recent (and totally unrelated) news: some of the HOME sprites got updated to look worse
the replies here are saying that it's probably to match the SV DLC better, but mon like Arbok and Nuzleaf are a tragedy man
These things already looked bad enough when tracing over the same terrible idles we've seen in every game for about 10 years now, why would you ever redo them to match the far more boring out-of-battle idles introduced in SV?


here's the original tweet if you want to see the discourse

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I am annoyed that Hyper Trained note on Mew does not get replaced after the Raid when it should get it’s stats buffed to be best naturally.

Also, I hope GF realise how shit a hard raid is with completely random people and never do it again.

 

[whatever I feel like]

I have to admit, the concept of sort of "cryptid" Pokémon is kind of neat on paper. But since Pokémon can basically come in any shape or form, it'd be hard to make a cryptid one feel out of place aside from going totally alien like the Ultra Beasts, and even some of them just felt like Pokémon. Also catching the "cryptid" and then taking selfies with it and taking it on picnics would ruin its atmosphere.

I mean, they've had cryptids since gen 1- Mew was one.

Edit: I am playing Scarlet right now and I like it.

 

[Lone Star]

I mean, they've had cryptids since gen 1- Mew was one.

Edit: I am playing Scarlet right now and I like it.

Eh, I mean yeah, but I meant morel like how Bloodmoon Ursaluna is handled about some sort of freaky Pokémon that, even by their standards, is like a monster and only appears at night and blah blah blah. More Bigfoot and Nessie and less mythical being older than all other Pokémon.

 

[Archeops]

it's hardly even been 4 days (when I wrote it) and Serebii is already out of things to cover (after he was already scrambling for anything major on day 3); your $35 at work ladies and gentlemen

To be fair to Joe the main story for The Teal Mask can easily be done in 4 hours or s.o, after that it'd take a few days of testing (going through enough rounds of Ogre Oustin' to check the general prize pool, taking part in Tera raids, date jumping to see what items regenerate, etc.). After that point you're kind of stuck with data-mining and I don't think Joe would do that after the legal butt-raping Nintendo and TPCi more than likely brought onto him after he reporting on Pokemon Black & White with pirated copies.

Now, when you actually add on data-mining the DLC you get some interesting stuff...

Spoiler

Remember how I mentioned that one of the new Pokémon being introduced in the second-half of the DLC would be based off of Momotaro? Well apparently someone noticed that there's a fourth figure that pops up in the "true" tale of Ogerpon and The Loyal Three with the upper half cropped out. Skeptics assumed that it was part of the Okidogi illustration (specifically his fist) but a lot of people were quick to point out that it the illustrations of The Loyal Three don't load at the same time and same is true for the fourth illustration.

Another person did some digging through the games files and was able to find the fourth illustration and isolate it. Here's what it looks like uncropped...

People have also noticed that a plush found in Peachy's (the main shop in Mossui Town) has a similar shape to the figure here (and the toxic chains on The Loyal Three). It's also a purplish-pink color which makes it look a bit like a peach.

People have also noticed that the design is eerily similar to Cosmog and that it may have the Ability to change forms while I've noticed that it's similar to the Glimmora line (the face follows the whole "two-featureless-eyes-in-a-black-void" design the line has and a possible Poison-type if its association with The Loyal Three is any indication). I also wouldn't be surprised if it's associated with the Area Zero and Terastallization phenomena like the Glimmora line and Terapagos are.

Also, a well-known dataminer also found text entries for battles and some of them are interesting.

It's basically agreed on that "kodaikame" has something to do with Terapagos while "dokutaro" is related to the Momotaro-themed Legendary that's going to be introduced in Part 2. The real interesting bit is the the entries relating to zombies, it's mentioned in The Teal Mask that the Crystal Pool on top of Oni Mountain has the ability to let people meet those who have passed on if they gaze into its waters and then there's the whole can of worms that are the Professor AIs present in the base game.

 

[Anonitolia]

the face follows the whole "two-featureless-eyes-in-a-black-void" design the line has

i'm sorry to break it to you but this is very far from a Glimmora thing

(this is taking examples only from the first five gens and while being extremely strict about interpretation; any mon with a single feature in the void was excluded, leaving out notable examples like Snorunt, Shellder, Burmy (cloaked), Gastly)
I don't think that specifically hints at any connection to Glimmora. The Poison bit is a much stronger case that I agree with.

Spoiler: getting into spoilery territory

I'd be concerned about this sad excuse for a new legend if I hadn't given up on Pokémon design after gen 9 leaked. Part of me still holds out hope but at this point I'm just willing to accept that whatever the fuck is a Pokémon by now.

A Cosmog reskin with even less to its design and nothing to prompt intrigue other than a connection to the worst Legendary trio since Calyrex and its steeds? Sure, whatever, I don't care. That aforementioned trio which is literally just "a fursuit and its weird brothers with a horrible accessory"? Sure. Don't care.

If Pokémon does actual fucking zombies? Sure, whatever, I really can't bring myself to care beyond my lengthy rants. I'm really starting to feel the fatigue that comes after being angry/disappointed so consistently for this long and at this point I'm honestly considering just ignoring that gen 8+ ever happened outside of extremely selective cases. Genwunners may be retarded in most respects, but in this one I can at least understand their point of view.

I'm still mad though lol. I may be getting fatigued, but I'm not fatigued enough to completely tune out just yet. And if Pokémon seriously does pull a "Terapagos makes zombies" or something like that I'm going to be tuned-in enough to laugh at it. At least for a little bit.

mildly related: was browsing some old forums yesterday and it was so weird seeing people being harshly critical towards gens 4-5
not even just genwunners or anything; I saw people proclaiming their love for Johto or Hoenn before going on to trash what came after because it's "too overdesigned"
I can't say I disagree with those sentiments (in some respects) but it's just really funny considering how fucking low the bar has gotten
Would take something like Dusknoir over 99% of Galar or Paldea's dexes (and probably a good 60% of Alola's) any day

 

[Lurker]

fuckin forum rollback reeeeee

so i'm playing the teal mask dlc and it's good to see that the game still hitches like a motherfucker. gr8 fixes gaiz.

i autistically noticed something pretty subtle, though, in that they fixed the koraidon riding animation. in one of the run cycles your character would wobble like fucking crazy if koraidon ran, which looked awkward as fuck, but it looks like they fixed that.

i don't have anything of actual value to say here, but uh... poltchageist is fucking kawaii as fuck and i didn't even know until just now that there are actual differences between the artisan and counterfeit forms, unlike with sinistea where the only difference is that the "genuine" form has a sticker on the bottom of it, which is very difficult to see.

oh also bloodmoon ursaluna is still cool and i want to see more shit like it. also i know a lot of people hated raging bolt (paradox raikou), but fuck them, i think it looks cool. i like that its neck ruff looks like a stormcloud.


edit: lol I'm retarded, there's no physical difference between the artisan and counterfeit poltchageist except the stupid fucking stamp at the bottom THAT YOU STILL CAN'T SEE