Thoughts on conservatives who say "Nobody cares about gay people, it's the trans stuff we're against"?

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The slippery slope from faggery to troonery being as slippery and slopery as it turned out to be turned me anti-gay. I'm not exaggerating when I say it made me rethink everything. At this point, I think that public acceptance of homosexuality is symptomatic of much deeper sickness, that of prioritizing coom over family formation in a society's sexual morality. Any healthy society will see homosexuality as something that belongs in the closet at best, and homosexuals as disturbed individuals who should not be allowed around children.

I've ended up pretty much unwinding all my beliefs. No-fault divorce should be repealed. Common law marriage should be reinstated. Bring back morality tests for welfare. Etc.

Homosexuality is natural in so far as been an observed behavior in dozens of species, that is to say, it isn't a human or artificial behavior.

Same can be said of cannibalism and incest. The animal kingdom is a poor guide to what laws and norms make a healthy civilization.
 
Bull-shit, maybe if you were a patrician you could get away with having a slave buttboy but if you were lower class and got caught fucking with a dude you would get ostracized, probably get your dick cut off by relatives of the other guy as a way to save their honor. And don't get me started on other cultures of the time.
Utter rubbish, what was shunned was being 'sexually passive', that is to say, being the bottom; being the top was seeing as masculine and virile, values that were in high demand in the expanding roman empire.
You got turkeys walking in circles until they die, entire pods of dolphins getting stranded on beaches for no reason, lions and tigers self-mutilating, etc, if some animals go gay it doesn't means its not abnormal and thus unnatural behavior.
Homosexual behavior has been observed in over 1500 species. In many instances, the prevalence of homosexuality is comparable to heterosexuality, for example in giraffes, it is pure cope to scratch this off as abnormal behavior.
There were men identifying themselves as women too, problem is it wasn't until plastic surgery arrived in the 20th century that they could go about butchering themselves to complete the look.
You confuse 'dress as a woman' and 'identify as a woman'. Perhaps there were a few instances throught history, but they are extremely rare especially compared to the 20th century when the thought became 'academic', moreover, nobody believed the deillusions that make possible transgenderism today.
Same can be said of cannibalism and incest. The animal kingdom is a poor guide to what laws and norms make a healthy civilization.
Agreed, but others in this thread don't understand this and think homosexuality is a degenerate human behavior so I figured I'd debunk that notion.
 
They conserve nothing and should embrace neo-conservatism instead.
Half-assed degeneracy is still degeneracy. If you're appalled by men in drag but fine with buggery, then give it 15 years and you'll no longer have a problem with neither.
Neoconservatism was how we got oil wars and Big Brother. We need a system that abhors pointless wars and government overreach but also cracks down on faggotry.
 
what was shunned was being 'sexually passive',
So homosexuality, else they would be raping straight men that would come back and kill them.

Didn't you know the city of rome didn't have a police force? it was all eye for an eye.
I don't believe in that rag ever since they published articles saying people should go outside and cough on each other because looting and burning after a career criminal drug addict getting what was coming to him was more important than containing a global pandemic.

As far as I'm concerned its just a propaganda outlet for politically-motivated "articles" only.
it is pure cope to scratch this off as abnormal behavior.
Animals have tons of abnormal behaviors caused by a myriad of reasons from stress to parasites, and homosexuality is one for the simple fact that animals that are homosexual-only don't reproduce, a huge abnormality in a planet where the main task of every lifeform is to reproduce, else they go extinct.
and 'identify as a woman'. Perhaps there were a few instances throught history
There were several, some cultures even had names for men who did this, and there were even instances of women doing it too.
and think homosexuality is a degenerate human behavior
By your own reasoning its a degenerate ANIMAL behavior, and that includes hominids.
 
Utter rubbish, what was shunned was being 'sexually passive', that is to say, being the bottom
Do you even listen to yourself? That means they shunned faggotry as it always requires a "bottom", so the act will always shame at least one man and by association the other one, except you want to argue slave boys being raped by Epstein tier perverts is actually brave, stunning and empowering.
being the top was seeing as masculine and virile, values that were in high demand in the expanding roman empire.
"Top" a woman you weirdo
lol vaxxie cites Nature
In many instances, the prevalence of homosexuality is comparable to heterosexuality, for example in giraffes,
Giraffes lick each others necks so you should let me spread diseases and molest boys
regards AIDS looking mf with a PhD
You confuse 'dress as a woman' and 'identify as a woman'. Perhaps there were a few instances throught history, but they are extremely rare especially compared to the 20th century when the thought became 'academic',
Oh dont worry Nature or some tranny will publish a book where they will show it was actually totally normal throughout history soon enough
And then what do you have?
moreover, nobody believed the deillusions that make possible transgenderism today.
Like sodomy being acceptable behavior thats should be celebrated and cherished?
Agreed, but others in this thread don't understand this and think homosexuality is a degenerate human behavior so I figured I'd debunk that notion.
So you are saying its universally degenerate? I am confused.
 
I'm not "conservative," but to me, it's pointless for me to be against homosexuality between two consenting adults. I know it's a cliche answer, but I cannot control or stop who people should be attracted to. The general line I have that society should have adopted long before this turned south is: don't force it onto others and don't use it to harm or abuse innocents/children/adults.

It should really go without saying, but here we are. I'm willing to bet that there are some gay/bi/lesbian people around that just want to be left alone. I don't know how many times I've outcried against trans degeneracy while Western society has normalized child abuse for brownie points.

It feels like I'm just shouting at the wall with no conviction.
 
Bull-shit, maybe if you were a patrician you could get away with having a slave buttboy but if you were lower class and got caught fucking with a dude you would get ostracized, probably get your dick cut off by relatives of the other guy as a way to save their honor. And don't get me started on other cultures of the time.
Yeah, going to need a source other than /his/ for that. I don't believe it. With Romans, they only looked down upon the dude who was the bottom as far as everything I've heard. /pol/ also has a habit of trying to re-write history to make their idol dead cultures seem less homo including even the Nazis.
 
I've ended up pretty much unwinding all my beliefs. No-fault divorce should be repealed. Common law marriage should be reinstated. Bring back morality tests for welfare. Etc.
I was always against gay marriage. Even though I am not religious, I understood the importance of marriage as properly defined in promoting normal, heterosexual families. Children need a mother and father (I know, given that I was not afforede this thinks to boomerism, devolution of social standards). I had gay friends in high school, some of the music I enjoy are from gay artists. I like Soft Cell, at least Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret, even though Marc Almond is a degenerate faggot. I no longer look at that stuff in the same way though. I even struggle with musicians who dabble in androgyny who are straight. I still love the Cure but in hindsight wonder if the lipstick and eyeliner on a man (Robert Smith) should have been tolerated.
Homosexuality is natural in so far as been an observed behavior in dozens of species, that is to say, it isn't a human or artificial behavior.
Something can be natural but still abnormal. It is natural in humans and animals but still abnormal. Also animal behavior is not influenced by culture and social mores because they obviously do not have have those things or are even capable of comprehending them (perhaps some primates do though?)
Being an unhealthy activity doesn't imply it should be banned, lest we forget the effects of ultra-processed food and booze cause to people.
Alcohol can be consumed responsbily and has been a part of the cultures of the world for centuries, millenia. Goyslop should actually be banned. Yes, I am a right-wing authoritarian.
Same can be said of cannibalism and incest. The animal kingdom is a poor guide to what laws and norms make a healthy civilization.
Precisely. And more to the point, people can be conditioned to do bad things if it gets normalized in the culture.
In many instances, the prevalence of homosexuality is comparable to heterosexuality, for example in giraffes, it is pure cope to scratch this off as abnormal behavior.
I do not anything about giraffes other than we are not giraffes.
I'm not "conservative," but to me, it's pointless for me to be against homosexuality between two consenting adults.
Except it is not. Culture matters. It was a mistake to concede that homosexuality is an immutable characteristic. It may be some very limited extent with men, although I am pretty sure getting molested at a young age contributes to that, but all the universities are so ideologically corrupted that it will be a long time before we find out for sure. Females though are different, much more susceptible to bisexuality and lesbianism and much more influenced by the culture. If being lesbian or bi is deeply taboo, far fewer women will do that. If it is celebrated in the culture the way it is, well there are stats showing a third of zoomer women identify as something other than straight (mostly bisexual). It is also a mistake to assert, as so many Americans do, that "what others do in their own private lives is none of my concern." It is my concern because what people do affects everyone else. That kind of simplistic thinking brought us the plague of single motherhood, and we are only just beginning to feel the full brunt of that, as so many social ills emanate from that one thing.

I will add that I do not advocate trying to eradicate homosexuality from human life. That's not possible. Nor do I think Oscar Wilde's works should be banned because he is gay. But it should be a social taboo, something kept under wraps. Some of you may be familiar with Christopher Hewett, the actor who played Mr. Belvedere. He was a deacon at his catholic church, held himself out as a "lifelong bachelor." He may have had a housemate, but I don't recall for sure. Any worldly person can tell he was gay, but he was discrete about it, didn't go to pride parades, and as far as anyone knows did not indulge in the sort of hyper-promiscuity that gays tend to indulge in when there are no social pressures discouraging that. That is where the societal controls should be.
 
I don't know if I'd call myself "Conservative," but insofar as I'm skeptical of the modern "left" lump me as such: I don't have an issue with individual homosexuals like I do with individual transsexuals, because homosexuals are not by definition a walking ontological nightmare.

If someone says "I'm gay!" then I know they fuck dudes. Just a brute fact. Cool. I might not relate, in fact I think the idea of fucking another guy is repulsive, and depending on what kind of a homosexual they are they may even be quite obnoxious and even a gigantic pervert, but that is all based on the individual.

If someone says "I'm trans!" then at best they are a walking delusion: they assert that they are something that they can not be. Any and all interactions with them are twisted into a careful set of intentionally-misrepresentative word games to save my ass from social disaster, and, if I feel sorry for them, save their mind from suffering a break in their twisted self-image. Or worse, they know they are not literally the opposite sex, but are playing petty games and revelling in the power of coercing others into denying reality.

As for my views on homosexuality as an agenda? That I'm much less decided on; I don't think people who are "naturally" gay (start the debates! If they got raped into gayness, well, keep 'em away from kids but let them bang other adults if they want to) should be prevented from adult consenting coupling, but I am not comfortable with the left-wing zeitgeist's normalization of homosexuality as a "type" of sexuality corresponding to heterosexuality. There is not a 1:1 correspondence. Heterosexual sex is complicated by the possibility of procreation, which fundamentally changes its societal and interpersonal aspects. Furthermore, I am concerned about the implications of promoting homosexuality towards people that may adopt the behavior without it being conducive to their flourishing: it'd be like if schools said "staying in your room, never seeing the sun, and playing Fortnite all day is a good idea!" Well, I can't say it's some absolute moral wrong to play games all day, but it's also not something that aligns with the environment most human beings flourish in, either, and I'd prefer that that behavior only manifests in the few people strongly inclined to it, rather than it also being foisted on otherwise-uninclined people as a "legitimate" option by authority figures. So I believe it is wrong for authority figures to promote it, even if the behavior itself is not something I deem a "sin" in the same way I consider rape, theft, and murder to be wrong.
 
I'm not "conservative," but to me, it's pointless for me to be against homosexuality between two consenting adults. I know it's a cliche answer, but I cannot control or stop who people should be attracted to. The general line I have that society should have adopted long before this turned south is: don't force it onto others and don't use it to harm or abuse innocents/children/adults.

It should really go without saying, but here we are. I'm willing to bet that there are some gay/bi/lesbian people around that just want to be left alone. I don't know how many times I've outcried against trans degeneracy while Western society has normalized child abuse for brownie points.

It feels like I'm just shouting at the wall with no conviction.
"TWO CONSENTING ADULTS DOOOD TWO CONSENTING ADULTS"

Disgusting. Society should not be required to accept it. What if it was incest, but the woman is on the pill and the man is wearing a condom? Should we be required to accept that? Obviously not because it insults the sanctity of husband and wife and reduces a sibling relation to absolutely debauchery. This is why I'm not a conservative because you people just take up the liberal position from 15 years ago.
 
What if it was incest, but the woman is on the pill and the man is wearing a condom? Should we be required to accept that?
Nice fallacy. Incest is already frowned upon, to say the least. That's a whole other can of worms.
 
I mostly agree with it. I mean, gay men doesn't scold me, a straight man, for not wanting them in the bedroom. Gay men do not demand that I change my language or take part in their fantasies. So yeah, they really don't rub me the wrong way, in the sane way troons do.

But I could do without the sodomite parades in fetish gear. Keep it in the bedroom, please.
Gay men are nice to straight men generally because they really want to fuck them. Nothing validates a fag more than 'converting' a straight guy. You see this in basically all gay lit. It's their biggest fantasy.

Gays otherwise are generally whiny, antagonist, hedonistic and self destructive. The more you dig into 'gay culture' the more you'll learn to hate them. Pity the good few, perhaps. But hate the mass.
 
This KF tolerance towards faggotry makes me repeatedly post this (watch the whole video)
Stahp being a fag OK?
Do you think anyone actually watches videos when you post them? lol

>uh oh, I'm losing the argument
>okay time to post that video of 20 minute clickbait, everyone will surely watch while leisurely browsing the board
>got'em!
 
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Gay men are nice to straight men generally because they really want to fuck them. Nothing validates a fag more than 'converting' a straight guy. You see this in basically all gay lit. It's their biggest fantasy.
The homoerotic undertones of you being afraid of being converted by random gay guys is fucking hilarious. lol 2nd point, you just admitted to reading "gay lit." AHAHAHAHA. XD
 
I consider "gay" to have two distinct meanings that aren't always mutually inclusive, however the two meanings are generally very tightly associated with each other so it's basically impossible to maintain the distinction. "gay" can mean people that have homosexual encounters in private, and it can mean people that publicly act and refer to themselves in a way that announces their homosexuality. The first category generally goes without being noticed much, but the second has a impact on the community that needs to be accounted for. Overtime the demand for the community to adapt to the gays has increased and increased to the point that so much deviant behavior is considered acceptable that it affects the mental wellbeing of the community, and the development and safety of it's children. It's no longer possible to define nuanced rules of what is or isn't acceptable for the community as many members have lost the frame of reference of what's acceptable. The deviant behavior will either destroy the community or be forcefully removed in it's entirety.
 
To be honest, this going to be a shit whole disaster. But this a consequence of ignorance. Look, this going to make homophobic when the trans activists ruining everthing about comun sense. For me i'm neutral of this but the think is depressing me is brainwash minors to do that. I try to be most realistic on these situation.

Even the normal gays and other normal trans people are shamed how the comunity got screw up with "maps".
You're already empowering them. "Normal gays" "normal trans people".
 
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