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Well, well, well, if it isn't the holy trinity of uniforms. Old Trek, SW's Empire and LoGH's Empire.
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Cerberus uniforms from Mass Effect were pretty cool, too.
They were rather Thrawn-ish. And that was always cool.
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Oho, I like the shoulder pats. A lot. The gold-white contrast adds greatly to the overall badassery. Nobody beats the Imperial designs, be them SW or LoGH.
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And the funny thing in this whole situation is that those particular Jedi deserved it. They sat back and watched as the Mandalorians fucking genocided entire races. They sat there, "evaluating" the Mandalorian threat as billions died to nuclear fire. A sin of omission is just as bad as a sin done by one's hand.
It's like Atton said, they owed their allegiance to the Jedi who came in to help them, not the ones who sat back on Coruscant "evaluating the situation" while your average Republic grunt died by the truckloads.
A lot of people became fans of the Empire on both series just because of the style alone. I mean, the Rebels had the whole ''used car salesman'' look to emphasize that they're the rugged underdog, but sometimes, people just want to have a star that looks the part of someone who should be taken seriously. It's also the same reason why Zeon in the Gundam series had such a huge following; their stylish uniforms beats the Feddie uniforms any day outside of the Titans' threads.
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Fucking wasting Bruce Lee's goddaughter like that wtf lol. She deserved better.
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The economy never being something important is nice because it's distracting and useless to digress about galactic inflation or whatever when you're trying to tell a story about spaceship fights and space wizard laser sword duels and blaster shootouts. Lucas's problem with a dispute over the taxation of trade routes is that it could have been done more efficiently and entertainingly by having a couple more scenes with Palpy early in TPM. Then you can cut out some of the expository dialogue between Qui-gon and Obi-wan, Trade Federation guys, Senate debates, etc., and spend that time on exciting stuff
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I've got a sneaking suspicion that she'll be back as a zombie or something.
My favorite uniform among the Feddies would be Scirocco's.
He's basically the Thrawn of the Earth Federation Titans-if Thrawn was a powerful, Force-sensitive careerist who seduces women while designing powerful prototype mechs AND plotting to stab his boss in the back so that he can take control of his boss' growing empire. The man succeeded in overthrowing his master, and even in his dying breath, he used his psychic powers to turn the main hero into a brain-dead vegetable as revenge for killing him.
Imagine that kind of shit in a SW novel. That would've been amazing, even back then........
It was actually rather clear. The Senate was slapping taxes on space lanes, groups like the Trade Federation will suffer because of that since they rely on trade through those space lanes to make their money (hence their moniker, the TRADE Federation). The Trade Federation loses its shit and blockades Naboo in protest, the Republic sends the Jedi to try and talk them down from making a mistake. Evil space wizard man tells the Trade Federation to kill the Jedi and invade anyways, since he implies that he's got some pull in the Senate, like when he said that he'd make it legal.
As an adult, it's not that hard to grasp. As a kid, you just ignore it and focus on the shit going BOOM! since it's none of your concern. It's a Star Wars movie, kids see them to see shit blow up, they just go to the bathroom/fast-forward past the Senate scenes and get straight into the action. Prequels politics are like adult jokes in kids' cartoons; you don't get it as a kid, but as an adult, you do.
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FPA kit is underrated, they just get messed up by the shading since the darker green used in the series kept washing out all the detail, and the Imperial kit would probably look obnoxious in live action.
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@LORD IMPERATOR this has absolutely nothing to do with how RLM ruined Star Wars by making George Lucas feel so bad that he sold it to Disney. This is purely about the weakness of the structure of the writing, and other weaknesses of the writing, in The Phantom Menace. The exposition is clumsily paced. It is executed in an uninteresting way
What parts of A New Hope do you ignore and wait for the booms as a kid? How was exposition handled in A New Hope?
ANH: A council of Imperial officers gives us exposition while Tarkin and Vader are charismatic badasses. Vader chokes a guy with magic
TPM: Obi-wan and Qui-gon land a ship and walk around some corridors while giving us exposition. How exciting
ANH: Obi-wan gives us exposition at his home while Luke waves around this cool af laser sword thing. Later, Obi-wan gives us more exposition, while Luke waves around the cool af laser sword thing some more
TPM: Qui-gon blathers on at Anakin about the Force in the evening, nothing is happening except they are talking
ANH: Greedo and Han Solo explain to us the ways of the galaxy, ie fuck you pay me, inside a dive bar. Obi-wan cuts off some alien's arm to get Luke out of a spot his naivete has got him into. Han wastes Greedo. We learn things about the characters and the world they live in in an exciting way
TPM: I'm not a slave I'm a person and my name is Anakin! Or Qui-gon's ridiculous trickery of Waddo scene, take your pick
ANH: Tarkin and Leia give us exposition and psychological tension while Vader provides physical tension. At the end of it Tarkin blows up a planet he had just promised Leia he wouldn't blow up, and we are left on the cliffhanger of Leia's imminent torture
TPM: CGI aliens in the CGI Senate give us exposition about oh my God I can't do this anymore
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Kind of like how most audiences in ANH just go straight to enjoying the killing between the Empire and the Rebels as well as soaking in the rather basic plot with the Jedi, but the more adult explanation for the war was from the cut content where Biggs tells Luke that the Empire was confiscating property from its citizens and nationalizing commerce. If you want a quick explanation as to why nobles and peasants are rebelling to topple the Emperor, there you go. There's no faster way to get a princess and a farmboy on the same side other than telling them that the land that they own, that their ancestors passed down to them, is now the government's, not theirs. It's not just "the Emperor was a meanie-face and he killed all my friends" thing, the Emperor was a threat to people having the right to own property and businesses of their own.
It seems to me that you just chose parts of TPM that you can shit on, rather than looking at the parts which show why the movie still has fans to this day. For someone who says this isn't about RLM, you sure are just copying their bland, uninspired strategy of just showing the Prequels in a bad light while removing the oh-so-important context from the story. Context and story, after all, is what separated Star Wars from its many cheap imitators that came out in the wake of ANH.
But no, to you, it's just "HURR DURR THE SENATE SCENES ARE BAD!" You weren't even paying attention how those Senate scenes showed how fucked the Republic was, and why Palpatine and the Empire rose to power-the people lost faith in a democracy that stopped working, so they went with the charismatic guy who said the right things and got people to vote him into power. Guys like Tarkin, guys like Vader, they were alive during this part of galactic history, and they had to deal with the Republic being a pile of shit when they were younger, especially with Vader, who grew up as a slave in a Republic that was supposed to not tolerate the practice of slavery. This explains why they fight for the Empire with such zeal in the OT, because to them, anything is better than Somalia in space with excessive amounts of red tape.
So yes, the Prequels helped us understand why the Imperials in the OT fought so hard to squash the Rebellion, when most people from our world would've just tried to negotiate with the Rebellion for a compromise. The Rebels want to bring this broken system back, either because they had rose-tinted nostalgia-goggles for it like Kenobi did in ANH, or they were members of the senatorial aristocracy which benefitted from the oligarchic state of the Republic, like Mon Mothma or the Organas. But like with Anakin, there were people who saw the broken system for what it was, and didn't want to go back to it. Which explains a lot about why he supported Palpatine.
I wasn't talking about RLM. What I was talking about is the plot about taxes and space lanes; it's easy enough to understand as an adult, and most kids just ignore that shit and go straight to the killing.
Kind of like how most audiences in ANH just go straight to enjoying the killing between the Empire and the Rebels as well as soaking in the rather basic plot with the Jedi, but the more adult explanation for the war was from the cut content where Biggs tells Luke that the Empire was confiscating property from its citizens and nationalizing commerce. If you want a quick explanation as to why nobles and peasants are rebelling to topple the Emperor, there you go. There's no faster way to get a princess and a farmboy on the same side other than telling them that the land that they own, that their ancestors passed down to them, is now the government's, not theirs. It's not just "the Emperor was a meanie-face and he killed all my friends" thing, the Emperor was a threat to people having the right to own property and businesses of their own.
I know many kids who got bored with Luke spending so much time with his family in the desert before finally going over to Ben's house and starting his quest.
You forgot about the part where in TPM, Kenobi and Jinn slice through an entire army of droids and nearly force the Viceroy to surrender if it wasn't for the timely arrival of some Droidekas. That's just as, if not more badass than Vader choking some random jabroni. Two Jedi almost forced AN ENTIRE FLEET to surrender, and the enemy would've surrendered if the robots with the FUCK YOU shields didn't show up on time.
Qui-Gon also talks with Anakin who figures that he's a Jedi because of his lightsaber. When Qui-Gon states that he could've killed a Jedi for the lightsaber, Anakin, the naive kid, makes the childish statement that nobody can kill a Jedi, to which Qui-Gon says that he wishes it were true. That was rather poignant and ironic for both of them, since the Jedi dies and the kid winds up being the biggest Jedi hunter in the films' history. Looks like someone wasn't listening to what the two characters were talking about.
Qui-Gon "negotiates" with Watto to free Anakin, and he shows that yes, Jedi are meant to be diplomats. They have to use their silver tongues, the Force, and their brains to negotiate. If all they did was kill shit to make things work, that wouldn't make them all that different from the Sith, now would it?
Then we get to the political Senate scene, where at first, it seems that Padme can rely on the current Chancellor, Finis Valorum, for help, since he seems like a nice man who might listen to them, and he did send those Jedi to help. This illusion lasts until Palpatine shows her step-by-step how the man is a gutless coward controlled by the bureaucrats, showing how fucked the system is. Padme then starts the Vote of No Confidence process, which leads to Valorum getting ousted and Palpatine rising to power through a sympathy vote. Again, this is a scene that shows the situation isn't all black and white. Yes, the system is fucked. Yes, it needed to change. But in starting the process of changing it, Padme unwittingly let the demon wolf inside the house, as this allows Palpatine to begin his rise to power.
It seems to me that you just chose parts of TPM that you can shit on, rather than looking at the parts which show why the movie still has fans to this day. For someone who says this isn't about RLM, you sure are just copying their bland, uninspired strategy of just showing the Prequels in a bad light while removing the oh-so-important context from the story. Context and story, after all, is what separated Star Wars from its many cheap imitators that came out in the wake of ANH.
But no, to you, it's just "HURR DURR THE SENATE SCENES ARE BAD!" You weren't even paying attention how those Senate scenes showed how fucked the Republic was, and why Palpatine and the Empire rose to power-the people lost faith in a democracy that stopped working, so they went with the charismatic guy who said the right things and got people to vote him into power. Guys like Tarkin, guys like Vader, they were alive during this part of galactic history, and they had to deal with the Republic being a pile of shit when they were younger, especially with Vader, who grew up as a slave in a Republic that was supposed to not tolerate the practice of slavery. This explains why they fight for the Empire with such zeal in the OT, because to them, anything is better than Somalia in space with excessive amounts of red tape.
So yes, the Prequels helped us understand why the Imperials in the OT fought so hard to squash the Rebellion, when most people from our world would've just tried to negotiate with the Rebellion for a compromise. The Rebels want to bring this broken system back, either because they had rose-tinted nostalgia-goggles for it like Kenobi did in ANH, or they were members of the senatorial aristocracy which benefitted from the oligarchic state of the Republic, like Mon Mothma or the Organas. But like with Anakin, there were people who saw the broken system for what it was, and didn't want to go back to it. Which explains a lot about why he supported Palpatine.
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Star Wars follows real life in another aspect anyone familiar with military procurement will tear their hair out. It comes down to what the customer wants and what their bean counters are willing to pay for. And the Imperial beancounters wanted the fighters cheap as fucking possible.
Even with shields those bombers were already dead. Something that been found out in real life in the 1930ies before WWII. Bombers slower than fighters are slightly more than free kills to them. As the only real way bombers have a chance of surviving getting in and out is be as fast as or faster than the defending fighters.
SW EU especially along the hardware fluff side of things, the Empire as the primary i.e. only real customer, wanted the TIE series fighter to be cheap. Without the added frills of life-support, shields, or hyperdrive. When Sienar had made the initial sales prototypes with all of the above included. But were hell of a lot more eager to make the sale by removing everything the Empire didn't want.
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Thank you @LORD IMPERATOR for proving my point with your defense of how TPM handles exposition
No shit I pick out the bad parts, they're bad that's why
When Obi-wan and Qui-gon destroy a bazillion droids on the ship, those aren't exposition scenes. They're action scenes immediately following exposition scenes. You're trying to act like they're all happening in the same scene. They're not
You don't need to explain to me what the point of the Senate scenes are or recap what happens in them. I remember them quite well, thank you. They are not interesting scenes. They are neither exciting nor entertaining. They have no energetic connection with the audience. They are exposition dumps. They serve that purpose. Having them serve more than that purpose apparently wasn't considered
Don't need a recap of Anakin and Qui-gon's boring conversations either. You can get away with this in a book, people talking and doing nothing but talking. You can get away with it in a movie if it's Anthony Hopkins telling Jodie Foster how he ate a census taker's liver with Fava beans a nice chianti
You completely miss the point. It is not that these scenes fail to convey the information they're trying to convey. They don't fail at that. The point is that they do exposition in uninteresting ways that sap energy and interest. ANH achieves the opposite with its exposition scenes
No shit I pick out the bad parts, they're bad that's why
When Obi-wan and Qui-gon destroy a bazillion droids on the ship, those aren't exposition scenes. They're action scenes immediately following exposition scenes. You're trying to act like they're all happening in the same scene. They're not
You don't need to explain to me what the point of the Senate scenes are or recap what happens in them. I remember them quite well, thank you. They are not interesting scenes. They are neither exciting nor entertaining. They have no energetic connection with the audience. They are exposition dumps. They serve that purpose. Having them serve more than that purpose apparently wasn't considered
Don't need a recap of Anakin and Qui-gon's boring conversations either. You can get away with this in a book, people talking and doing nothing but talking. You can get away with it in a movie if it's Anthony Hopkins telling Jodie Foster how he ate a census taker's liver with Fava beans a nice chianti
You completely miss the point. It is not that these scenes fail to convey the information they're trying to convey. They don't fail at that. The point is that they do exposition in uninteresting ways that sap energy and interest. ANH achieves the opposite with its exposition scenes
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he's a hollywood libtard, he would never go against his paymasters.
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No, you took some parts, stripped away the story context, and then made fun of them in a shallow, blind way, just to prove your point.
It's like what if someone says ANH is a stupid film for stupid kids because the bad guys can't shoot straight and design superweapons with easy-to-hit weaknesses, removing the context that Tarkin told the Stormtroopers aboard the Death Star to NOT hit Han and his team because the Imps bugged his ship and they want to track him to the Rebel Base, and that the Rebels originally tried to hit the weakness of the Death Star, to no avail, and Luke only succeeded by using an otherworldly power exclusive to a group that most people believe to be extinct.
They did. The exposition was cut short as the Neimoidians tried to kill them. Also, you stated that Vader was choking the other guy was badass; two Jedi nearly forcing A FLEET to surrender is equally as badass.
They are very interesting scenes. It shows that while the Republic system looks nice on the outside, the ugly truth inside is that it's puppeted by bureaucrats and corporations, and that the leadership is paralyzed and weak. It needed a new head. The new head just so happened to be the guy who founds the Empire, which explains how the Empire is founded.
If you found that boring, then you must still have a kid's mind. They're as "boring" as Obi-Wan explaining the Jedi in ANH and how Vader killed them all.
There's tons of films where they do a lot of talking. And again, the two of them talking was tragic; they strike up a quick friendship, Anakin still shows his faith in the Jedi and that he believes the Jedi are invincible and can't be killed, which is ironic because the Jedi he's talking to will die soon, and Anakin himself will be doing a lot of killing Jedi left and right in the future.
They're as "uninteresting" as the exposition scenes in the other movies. Like when the Rebels exposit about the Death Star, or when Kenobi exposits about Anakin or the Jedi. They're interesting, they show the world around you, and they show that the world isn't as clear-cut as one would think, moving Star Wars away from the classic good-vs-evil and into a more nuanced deconstruction of the originals where they showed that the Jedi and the Republic weren't as clean as previously believed.
They had a long line of potential recruits, they had a lot of ground to cover, and they were also spending money on bases, warships, and space stations, so they needed to make the most of their resources.
Which the Y-Wing already was. It defeats the purpose of switching bombers if the newer bombers are slower and easier to hit than the older ones.
Actually, Sienar got rid of the frills because their patented "twin ion engine" gets in the way of it. According to a holonet report called "Successful Engine Tests Cause Sienar Stock Surge", the problem was detected rather early:
"While RSS gave no specific details on incorporation of the twin ion engine in to their existing line of starships, reports indicate that power-yield compatibility issues with current hyperdrive, life-support and shielding technologies may prove prohibitive."
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