2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[BigRizzle]

Any ayrabs in this thread to confirm this as a common sentiment?
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I'm from the same country as this guy.

Spoiler: Spoiler because it's a wall of text

So what he's saying is a bit extreme and you won't hear a lot of people here say what he says. However, a lot of people here (including some of my family members) are starting to dislike the Palestinians more and more. This is not a new thing that just happened with the current situation, it's been happening for years. A lot of people here have stopped caring about the
Palestinians for mainly two reasons:

1. Any time we try to help them, they go on and do stupid shit like what they just did last week. They don't seem to actually want to end this. So to the people here, if the Palestinians themselves don't actually want to end this conflict, then why should we care and keep helping them?

2. With the rise of social media, we've started to learn what the Palestinians actually think of us, and it's not pretty. Basically they expect us to send our money and our kids to die for them, and if we don't, then we are traitors. There's a lot of hate coming from the Palestinians to the Saudis (and to the Gulf states in general). So people here aren't willing to help them when they obviously hate us.

One example I can give of the Palestinian hate for us is this video that got popular from a wedding over there:

I'm too lazy to translate everything, but at 0:39 he said "[May god] curse Saudi Arabia and burn Bin Salman's brain."
After it got popular, Palestinians started saying on social media "Noooo guys we actually love you!" but people here are starting to realize what they actually think of us.

This is a clip from a Saudi TV show from a few years ago. The two men are talking about Israel and Palestine:

"The enemy is the one who doesn't appreciate you standing with him, and curses at you all day, more than the Israelis."
"What do you mean?"
"I mean we sacrificed a lot for Palestine. We entered wars for Palestine. We cut off oil for Palestine. When they got a government, we paid for their salaries even though we deserved that money more than them. And now they attack Saudi Arabia at any chance they get."

I wouldn't say people here are pro-Israel just yet, but also we're not really that interested in helping Palestinians anymore. I'm not gonna go blow myself up for people who hate me and I don't want anyone from my friends or family to touch that cursed land.

P.S.: The video from the tweet you linked is old. Found it on YouTube from 2020.

 

[Criticallacitirc]

At all these pro-palestine rallies around the world, are these people waving the palestine flag really all Palestinians ? Or is it just all Muslim immigrants using it basically as a Muslim pride festival.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Nah, Ayyrabs cannot casino properly from my experience.

Gambling is illegal in Israel (a relic of the moralfagging of the 50s when among other things TV was effectively banned) so Israelis who want to lose a few mortgage payments and their trip to visit relatives in NYC have to get their fix in Taba, Egypt which is just across the border from Eilat.

I was there and my god have I never seen such a shit-ass looking casino in my life, and I've been in a weird Triad-adjacent one once. It just was so depressing with like maybe 2 dozen people altogether (half Israeli the other half Eastern European), the electronic games looked like Chinese knockoffs, the place just looked filthy, and the staff were staring the whole time, like into your soul. In addition to all that, zero ambiance, like no echo because of the short ceiling and no background music at all; just people talking which wasn't that much since everyone seemed to just whisper. It's strange how you notice when the small things are missing. I legit felt unease there that I don't feel often. A waiter asks me if I want a drink in Arabic and I ask if he's got beer. He replies "stella?" and my dumb brain thinks it's Stella Artois, so I say yes. He comes back with this disgusting pisswater for $10...View attachment 5417792

I now understand why the prophet said alcohol is haram; fucking Muslims cannot make alcohol worth a damn.

I'll continue to choose to get fleeced by megacorp USA and Injun reparations Casinos, thanks.

Fun fact Judaism doesn't ban gambling. And they do have legal gambling in israel it's just in the form of lotteries and what not, although I did hear they might be opening some Casinos in the Negev. I honestly think that Israelis need some American Jews to show them how to make a casino worth a damn. I joke that Israel is a spite country that only does things to one up the Arabs. If tomorrow Gaza decided to drop the Jihad shit and open up casino ala Maco, by that Shabbat Israel would would turn Ashkalon into a city that would make 1960s Las Vegas blush.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

Sex pest Andrew Callaghan releases his video on the war

 

[AltisticRight]

At all these pro-palestine rallies around the world, are these people waving the palestine flag really all Palestinians ? Or is it just all Muslim immigrants using it basically as a Muslim pride festival.

From what I've seen, it's a mix of Palestinians, other Muslims, and their leftist allies (mostly White).

 

[LurkTrawl]

Look I've never said Israel is a perfect country. I'm just saying this is what their hope is. It's like how DNC supporters will support LP to undercut the RNC or how the RNC will support the Green party to undercut the DNC. And personally Bibi is a snake and I hope this FINALLY gets him out of office and into a prison cell for corruption. But I'm not in the mood to get into the dumpster fire that is Israeli domestic politics. It's all Jews out jewing Jews from the top all the way down.

Yeah none of that is a great comparison.

The comparison you're looking for btw is something akin to the U.S. supporting ISIS to root out the Taliban. But even fucking dumber, because these people are on a land border.

"The Palestinians voted in Hamas because they hate da jooz" hits different with quotes from Netanyahu like "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state, has to support bolstering Hamas, and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."

And the quote from his finance minister: "The Palestinian Authority is a liability, and Hamas is an asset. On the international playing field, in this game of de-legitimization, think about for a second the Palestinian Authority is a liability, and Hamas is an asset."

Now, I'm not saying that the PA wouldn't have been capable of something like this, but to hear and see people say shit like "well Hamas was just voted in by them" knowing that, it's a bit fucking insulting. It's as insulting as having someone tell you the reason 9/11 occurred was because "they hate us for our freedom!" knowing full well the decades of clownshoes shit the U.S. got up to beforehand in the M.E.

 

[Vott]

6 major Hamas officials eliminated since the October 7th attack so far, source


Ali Qudi: Died the night of October 13th in a drone strike
Zachariah Abu Ma'amar: Died from an airstrike on October 10th overnight
Belal Alqadra: ?
Muetaz Eid: killed today in a strike
Joad Abu Shmalah: Also died from an airstrike overnight on October 10th
Merad Abu Merad: Died from an airstrike October 14th

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Yeah none of that is a great comparison.

The comparison you're looking for btw is something akin to the U.S. supporting ISIS to root out the Taliban. But even fucking dumber, because these people are on a land border.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to simplify a complicated ratsnest that is the rise of hamas. Bibi had his hands in it no doubt but the Palestinians did vote them in. I could start posting papers and stuff but I'm not really in the mood atm. I will if people want me to.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Also if it's worth anything Jack Poso follows and occasionally reposts him.

Posobiec is a retard that spent 7 years at the Office of Naval Intelligence while having a room temperature IQ. Anything he endorses should be brought under extra scrutiny.

Find one example of missiles doing shit about shit.

Soleimani getting yeeted by a hellfire disrupted Quds Force and Iran playing fuck-fuck games in half a dozen countries for 2 years. Not bad for the price of a new pickup.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Bibi had his hands in it no doubt but the Palestinians did vote them in.

Yeah, and the Israelis voted in Bibi.

So in effect the Israelis helped vote in Hamas, if I follow your logic.

 

[TheBigZee]

I saw a short clip of Joe Biden's 60 minutes interview earlier. Sixty Minutes is a major US news program with one of the broadest audiences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d403nALfQrE

Spoiler

1. Has spoken to US families of hostages. Do everything in our power to find and rescue American hostages
2. Hamas's actions are barbarism, inhuman
3. Will not need US troops - Israel has a fine army. US will give them what they need to win
4. On non combattants: Israel is pursuing people who committed an atrocity, Hamas are cowards, using the civillians as shields, Biden does not believe Israel is targetting civilians. Believes they will take all possible precautions from wanton bloodshed.
5. White House has asked for a safe zone for civillians. Has asked for supplies to come in.
Refuses to condemn "siege"
Biden is confident Israel will follow western expectations towards civillians. Food, water, medicine.

7. Biden does not support re-occupation of Gaza
8. Hamas must be eliminated entirely.
9. Must be path to two states.
10. This is not the time to talk about two state solution.
11. Message to Hezbollah and Iran: Don't
12. Biden cannot talk about classified material: No evidence of Iran involvement.
13. Slams MAGA republicans in congress
14. Most powerful nation in the history of the world: Can support Ukraine and Israel
15. Ukraine is important b/c it could prevent future, broader conflict in Europe.
17. Attack on Israel reminds Biden of historical mistreatment of Jews.
18. Biden is sure he wants to run again. Believes world is at inflection point.
19. Peace is possible in middle east. Europe will be united and strong.

TL/DR - US Hostages are top priority. Hamas is barbaric. Need for non-combatant safety stressed to Israel. Food, Medicine, and water for civillians stressed to Israel. Believes Hamas has responsability for civillians killed so far. No changes on US policy towards peace. Iran was not involved.

Nothing really new here.

Regarding Iran: Hamas recognized the state of Israel after the attack. That's a substantial break from Iran.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Yeah, and the Israelis voted in Bibi.

So in effect the Israelis helped vote in Hamas, if I follow your logic.

I mean Regan helped fund the Mujahideen which eventually caused 9/11 so Americans voted for 9/11. If we want to play those logic games then I guess your right? But remember it's not exact. Once again this is internal Israeli politics bleeding out into Palestine. It's a fucking mess.

 

[Random Internet Person]

https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1713599185789112518

 

[quackrock]

From what I've seen, it's a mix of Palestinians, other Muslims, and their leftist allies (mostly White).

Lots of blacks too in Minneapolis, but unclear whether they were mainly Somali, Nation of Islam types or vanilla ADOS.

BTW, anyone checked in with the Black Hebrew Israelites lately?

 

[Baked Al-Aqsa]

Fun fact Judaism doesn't ban gambling.

Um, what?

Inb4 "but it's not explicitly forbidden!", Being banned from testifying or being a witness was (and is) a big fucking deal. And that's the Shulchan Aruch's opinion so there's no leeway if you were Sephardi. If you were a chad Ashkenazi and followed the Rema, you'd be allowed to gamble as long as you didn't make a living from it.

Israel is a spite country that only does things to one up the Arabs.

Lol, about that. In my post I mentioned about Israel refusing to make TV a thing initially in Israel? Well when it's arab neighbors started making color broadcasts (only shortly after the first B&W broadcasts were made in Israel in 1968 mind you) Israel they literally put color syndicated shows from abroad through a Color eraser just so Israelis couldn't watch color on an imported TV. Israel loves to spite for sure. Who they spite might surprise you though.

 

[quaawaa]

White phosphorus was used in the north I think but not in the south. What people thought was white phosphorus was Hamas military equipment cooking off.

Btw White phosphorus is one of those things that you can't use against people TECHNICALLY but you are allowed to use it for a host of other reasons but you know if people happen to be there then. Similar to .50 bmg. It's TECHNICALLY an antimaterial round but how do you define material? I betcha you could make a case that that mag vest or a headband is material...

White phosphorus looks nothing like cooked off equipment. It looks like a giant cloud of white smoke.

This is clearly an airburst munition, not some Hamas equipment on fire:

Source (Archive)

It's useful for smoke screens but there is no ground invasion to lay covering smoke for yet.

 

[Ballistics]

Mark my words, we will soon see AI/ML being used to provide evidence of atrocities that never happened.

Already happening. Imagine posting a burnt up baby in the first place just to win some Twitter argument.

Spoiler: The crispy AI baby

 

[LurkTrawl]

I mean Regan helped fund the Mujahideen which eventually caused 9/11 so Americans voted for 9/11.

That's the exact point I'm trying to make when you say shit like "Hamas is in because the Palestinians all hate da jooz" as if that's the one and only reason that what's happening right now, is happening.

And yes, I'd in fact say that at the very minimum Reagan and his government were in large part responsible for 9/11, ultimately, for their foreign policy fuckups. Because they objectively were as much as the Israeli government has quite a bit of the blood of every innocent Israeli and Palestinian killed in this conflict on their hands for their role in propping up an objectively worse group to have as their neighbor for both themselves and the people who'd have to live under them.

Also this:

had a civil war against the internationally recognized Palestinian authority (which accepts that Israel exists) and won. Claimed Israel and da Jooz all must die and well now we are here.

Basically they had the opportunity and the squandered it.

Because it seems to me the Israeli government had the opportunity to let the PA continue to be the dominant force in Gaza and the West Bank, and squandered it. And well now we are here.

It's one thing for a government to do shit like this and handwave it or paper over it with propaganda. It's another entirely when people who support that government do their work for them by helping to paper over the fuckups derived from idiots in charge who think themselves machiavellian mega-minds playing 4D chess.

Like I said, it's a bit fucking insulting. Treating it as if the current state of affairs is merely the result of Islamic populism when it wasn't is a lie of omission.

 

[AltisticRight]

Already happening. Imagine posting a burnt up baby in the first place just to win some Twitter argument.

Spoiler: The crispy AI baby

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Basing facts on what an AI-detection algorithm says is utterly moronic and NPC behaviour.
Also, this photo was posted by the official Israel account first, Benny simply took it. If the gloves are cropped out, the so called "detection" software says it's real.

Apparently AI-detection software is just as retarded as AI when it comes to human limbs.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-ge...mediterranean-migrant-rescue-missions-afloat/

it is amusing to see, once again, the golem turn on the master. To be fair there's a lot of jews who aren't total retards who realized flooding their friendly european friends with these people would be bad for them, but I think some 75 percent of them here in the states at least vote blue no matter who so I guess here we are...