The Elder Scrolls

[xXx: State of the Union]

You think there will be a quest where we have to help two Redguard homos keep it on the down low?

 

[The Hero of Kvatch]

You think there will be a quest where we have to help two Redguard homos keep it on the down low?

Then they get caught by the town guard and the Niggerborn has to do a level 2 speech check to persuade the guards there's nothing wrong with homosexuality.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Then they get caught by the town guard and the Niggerborn has to do a level 2 speech check to persuade the guards there's nothing wrong with homosexuality.

1. [Persuasion] Love is love
2. They have relationships with women and sex with men.
3. They were practicing new grappling manuevers
4. [Attack] Reeeeee!

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Man, i feel the urge of play Skyrim for the ?th time again.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

The problem I see with doomposting about TESVI being 100% woke is that when Bethesda releases a game that's 95% woke people will say "It's actually not as bad as I was expecting. Pretty based actually." and the game will end up getting a better reputation than it deserves.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

The problem I see with doomposting about TESVI being 100% woke is that when Bethesda releases a game that's 95% woke people will say "It's actually not as bad as I was expecting. Pretty based actually." and the game will end up getting a better reputation than it deserves.

This will happen no matter what though, so I might as well shitpost and have fun.

 

[Übertroon]

Yeah, that's pretty true.

I suppose I could've phrased my original post better lol.

Dragonborn and Nerevarine were from birth the Chosen Ones (if you believe the Nerevarine is Nerevar). Dragonborn was destined to fight Alduin. And Nerevar was destined to fight Dagoth/The Tribunal, and save Resdayn/Morrowind.

To me, it felt more like The Hero was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He's some guy who was dragged into the Oblivion Crisis at the last minute, perhaps by the Gods. If he wasn't arrested, maybe some other asshole could've been in that cell and become The Hero. Maybe the Emperor had his dreams between The Hero's imprisonment and the assassinations.
But anyways, that's my sperging.

And yeah, I agree with your point on "nothing can be done without the player's involvement". Can't some other asshole solve the Crisis while I drink skooma in the Bravil traphouse?

This is open to interpretation, but a prevailing theory is that the protagonist in most elder scrolls games is an aspect or avatar of Lorkhan/Shor called Shezarrine.

In the lore the Shezarrine is a wandering legendary champion, appearing at pivotal moments for then to vanish into thin air.

Examples are Pelinal Whitestrake, and Ysmir. It helps explain why the player character never plays a pivotal role afterward in the lore

 

[Asian tech support]

Actual side quest in Summerset chapter with a stunning and brave transwoman.

> can't make the troon look like a troon because reasons
> can't make the troon look like a True & Honest woman either because it might cause a plague of -ack!
> make the troon wear a mask
my fucking sides

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

> can't make the troon look like a troon because reasons
> can't make the troon look like a True & Honest woman either because it might cause a plague of -ack!
> make the troon wear a mask
my fucking sides

At least the UESP is listing that character as a female and by engine limitations is of course using the gender female for the body.
Check-mate, troons.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

 

[Oilspill Battery]

This is open to interpretation, but a prevailing theory is that the protagonist in most elder scrolls games is an aspect or avatar of Lorkhan/Shor called Shezarrine.

In the lore the Shezarrine is a wandering legendary champion, appearing at pivotal moments for then to vanish into thin air.

Examples are Pelinal Whitestrake, and Ysmir. It helps explain why the player character never plays a pivotal role afterward in the lore

The hero of Kvatch was confirmed to have become sheogorath though, while the Lorkhan theory is intresting how would that work?

 

[Super Hans v2]

The hero of Kvatch was confirmed to have become sheogorath though, while the Lorkhan theory is intresting how would that work?

I don't think there's much play with the theory, because you could poke holes for whatever protag you try to apply it to. Lorkhan is a patron god specifically to Man. Working backwards, I'd say that the Last Dragonborn shouldn't be given inter pretation before ES6 drops. CoC ended up being the Sheogorath of the Fourth Age, and the Daedra and Aedra are obviously polar opposites. The Neverarine ended up, indirectly, causing a free Redasyn, weakening the Empire. Cyrus, which first being a Redguard out of Yakuda doesn't have a human lineage, and second fought against Tiber Septim. The Agent didn't apparate out of nowhere, with Uriel trusting him, enough as he could anyone after Arena, to do some fed shit and kill a scandal before it became public. Talin, well that was before anybody that you can name for the writing came to Bethesda - might as well not exist.

Another thing to point out is that the theory came from Kirkbride, and nothing he says should be believed due to him being one of the biggest proponents of unreliable narrators and fanfiction.

 

[Epoch]

I had a 100+ page essay about this topic saved from a while ago I keep meaning to eventually read. I think the gist is that Kirkbride proposed the idea of the Prisoner, and that its a loophole that allows a hero to appear for events that require it, and that it's not set in stone. It could be anyone, as long as they themselves step in to the role.

 

[Übertroon]

I don't think there's much play with the theory, because you could poke holes for whatever protag you try to apply it to. Lorkhan is a patron god specifically to Man. Working backwards, I'd say that the Last Dragonborn shouldn't be given inter pretation before ES6 drops. CoC ended up being the Sheogorath of the Fourth Age, and the Daedra and Aedra are obviously polar opposites. The Neverarine ended up, indirectly, causing a free Redasyn, weakening the Empire. Cyrus, which first being a Redguard out of Yakuda doesn't have a human lineage, and second fought against Tiber Septim. The Agent didn't apparate out of nowhere, with Uriel trusting him, enough as he could anyone after Arena, to do some fed shit and kill a scandal before it became public. Talin, well that was before anybody that you can name for the writing came to Bethesda - might as well not exist.

Another thing to point out is that the theory came from Kirkbride, and nothing he says should be believed due to him being one of the biggest proponents of unreliable narrators and fanfiction.

Regarding Nerevarine, you could say their actions led to the destruction of Red Mountain and the deaths of countless Dummer as well, but the alternative would have been Dagoth Ur waging war against the rest of tamriel with the heart of Lorkhan, defeating Dagoth Ur came before the stability of Morrowind, and you're even possibly aided by Talos on your quest

The champion of kvatch becoming Sheogorath is a bit of a tricky nut, but one could say that the hero ceased being the avatar of lorkhan once the player is no longer in control, and simply fully becomes sheogorath, or perhaps it's simply a joke that the missing god of trickery tricks his way into mantling the god of madness

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

When was it confirmed that it *had* to be the Hero of Kvatch that became Sheogorath?

Oblivion was written at a time when they didn't like to do that stuff (and IIRC Kirkbride states that was specifically something they didn't want to confirm when they wrote Shivering Isles), and while Skyrim certainly got a lot looser with the idea that one character did *everything* in the game, I don't recall anything specifically in the game saying it had to be The Hero of Kvatch.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

When was it confirmed that it *had* to be the Hero of Kvatch that became Sheogorath?

Oblivion was written at a time when they didn't like to do that stuff (and IIRC Kirkbride states that was specifically something they didn't want to confirm when they wrote Shivering Isles), and while Skyrim certainly got a lot looser with the idea that one character did *everything* in the game, I don't recall anything specifically in the game saying it had to be The Hero of Kvatch.

Nah, but Sheogorath in Skyrim recalls the main quest, the shivering isles quest, the dark brotherhood quest and the thieves guild quest from Oblivion.
And telling to you about his job being changed by every era (the entire point of the shivering isles quest) checks the theory very well.

 

[Lone Star]

When was it confirmed that it *had* to be the Hero of Kvatch that became Sheogorath?

Oblivion was written at a time when they didn't like to do that stuff (and IIRC Kirkbride states that was specifically something they didn't want to confirm when they wrote Shivering Isles), and while Skyrim certainly got a lot looser with the idea that one character did *everything* in the game, I don't recall anything specifically in the game saying it had to be The Hero of Kvatch.

I mean he literally makes reference to knowing Martin and other events in the game. A severed head (Dark Brotherhood questline) and a fox (The Gray Fox). And why wouldn't it be assumed the protagonist from Oblivion didn't at least complete the DLCs. Him becoming Sheogorath would also explain where the fuck he vanished to.

Edit: Damn, ninja'd.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I mean he literally makes reference to knowing Martin and other events in the game. A severed head (Dark Brotherhood questline) and a fox (The Gray Fox). And why wouldn't it be assumed the protagonist from Oblivion didn't at least complete the DLCs.

Because up until Skyrim (and some still debate this) it wasn't the intention that the "hero" does *every* faction. Simply that they all happen.

It's one of those things where it was always meant to be ambiguous to allow for player choice/interpretation.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Because up until Skyrim (and some still debate this) it wasn't the intention that the "hero" does *every* faction. Simply that they all happen.

It's one of those things where it was always meant to be ambiguous to allow for player choice/interpretation.

"One playstyle fits all" really did kill any satisfaction the guild quests might have had in Skyrim.

Speaking of Skyrim, I'm currently on Solstheim. It always seems to be at this point in the game I think to myself "My God, I cannot stand this game at this point." Legitimately asking: How do people play this game all the way to level 80? I'm around level 50 and I just can't bring myself to play this game any more.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

"One playstyle fits all" really did kill any satisfaction the guild quests might have had in Skyrim.

It's not just that, you literally enter the Thieves Guild and Mages Guild through the main questline. And I think the mages guild even has dialogue that kind of emplies that Dragonborn specifically is needed to stop the eye of magnus (but maybe I'm not recalling that one correctly)

But some people say I'm just being anal with that shit too. Which I am. It's just small annoyance at the end of the day I could just ignore.