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It looks like a rebadged Mitsubishi Outlander.
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Its also related to the Fiat Toro. The "Fullback" ute platform was a collaboration between Fiat and Mitsu.
 
In electric truck news, Edison Motors has completed their prototype, named it Topsy after the Elephant Edison abused to death to sell his product, and is now putting it through extreme testing to see what it's limits are. Over the next two years they will slowly prepare for mass production while remaining completely privately owned.
This is what should be worked on imo, it's practical and has the best of both worlds, since transporting such heavy equipment does require a TON of torque. If only the downscaling would be more successful like the BMW i3 cars attempted, but it was extremely inefficient. Just make things simple to work on and have 4 electric motors attached to the wheels or something, having them generated by a small diesel or something. Emissions control is the biggest scam on the damn planet. Just wait until Edison Motors starts to get shafted for not using batteries for the dumbass zero carbon goals that will never be reached.
 
This is what should be worked on imo, it's practical and has the best of both worlds, since transporting such heavy equipment does require a TON of torque. If only the downscaling would be more successful like the BMW i3 cars attempted, but it was extremely inefficient. Just make things simple to work on and have 4 electric motors attached to the wheels or something, having them generated by a small diesel or something. Emissions control is the biggest scam on the damn planet. Just wait until Edison Motors starts to get shafted for not using batteries for the dumbass zero carbon goals that will never be reached.
Edison Motors should be fine, it's not doing public investment rounds and it's basically just having future customers be their investors. So now they got Topsy which is more of a logging truck (it doesn't have a differential iirc), but they're working to make cement mixers and a series of other trucks that benefit from not relying on a engine basically running idle all the time to power their accessories. In two years they'll enter mass production and the owner will move out of his parents basement, but in the mean time they will be building more test rigs to send out.
 
What I don’t get is why that Topsy has that moronic American lorry design instead of a sensible flat front European design. There are plenty restrictions for the combined lorry+trailer, so not only does this absolutely destroy driver sight, it’s also not going to be allowed to pull a standard trailer on a normal lorry license. You’d need the double trailer license just to pull a single trailer, it’s ridiculous.
 
What I don’t get is why that Topsy has that moronic American lorry design instead of a sensible flat front European design. There are plenty restrictions for the combined lorry+trailer, so not only does this absolutely destroy driver sight, it’s also not going to be allowed to pull a standard trailer on a normal lorry license. You’d need the double trailer license just to pull a single trailer, it’s ridiculous.
It's a vocational truck, not a lorry. And it's designed to be highly serviceable and reliable. On a lorry you need to flip the entire cab forward just to change the oil - making it more cumbersome, and requiring you to design more complicated components to manage that hinge which makes things more expensive and prone to failure. If you're using it as a logging truck out in the woods and the hinging mechanism breaks, you're fucked because you're a six hour drive from anywhere that can help.

Also, Topsy is made in Canada and so is a North American product, and in North America the European style of lorrys is considered moronic.
 
What I don’t get is why that Topsy has that moronic American lorry design instead of a sensible flat front European design. There are plenty restrictions for the combined lorry+trailer, so not only does this absolutely destroy driver sight, it’s also not going to be allowed to pull a standard trailer on a normal lorry license. You’d need the double trailer license just to pull a single trailer, it’s ridiculous.
It's a vocational truck, not a lorry. And it's designed to be highly serviceable and reliable. On a lorry you need to flip the entire cab forward just to change the oil - making it more cumbersome, and requiring you to design more complicated components to manage that hinge which makes things more expensive and prone to failure. If you're using it as a logging truck out in the woods and the hinging mechanism breaks, you're fucked because you're a six hour drive from anywhere that can help.

Also, Topsy is made in Canada and so is a North American product, and in North America the European style of lorrys is considered moronic.
The two semi truck designs are cabover and conventional. European and Asian commercial trucks tend to be cabovers for easier maneuverability at the expense of long distance driver comfort and because they still have that tractor length regulation. That regulation is no more in the US and Canada so conventional tractors became the norm. Volvo actually makes conventional trucks for non euro markets like the VNL.

It's definitely true the conventional layout makes for servicing the engine a lot easier much like a normal car but scaled up. Sad thing is new trucks are much like cars where expensive diagnostic equipment are needed to even begin service.
 
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An Uber Driver's Tesla Model 3, had a battery failure after driving 120k miles in 15 months.


In addition the sheer amount of miles drive, the car being Supercharging twice a day doesn't do any favors for battery life either.

And that's not even considering that ICE cars can go even more miles, on the same powertrain, in most (?) cases.
My friend recently came to town for work conference. They rented a not even 2 year old model 3. The car literately used more than 5% battery to drive 10 minutes to a restaurant.
 
We'd probably have fusion by now, if the Russians hadn't faked their tokamak results, to appear better than the west, and sent the entire world down a dead-end research path.

What Billionaire is going to invest in a project that produces nearly unlimited free energy? Wheres their payout? Where's their profits?
 
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An Uber Driver's Tesla Model 3, had a battery failure after driving 120k miles in 15 months.


In addition the sheer amount of miles drive, the car being Supercharging twice a day doesn't do any favors for battery life either.

And that's not even considering that ICE cars can go even more miles, on the same powertrain, in most (?) cases.
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He gives them 9K to fix the car. And he "suspects" its a used battery pack? How does he not know what he paid for? Why do people put up with this crap? If I go the dealership and they are charging me 9K to replace a motor or transmission I want to know exactly what I am getting. Yes remanufactured engines are a thing from the dealer but even GM has a 3year/100K mile warranty on their "Goodwrench" reman stuff.

The lowly crown vic would normally live a life getting beat up as a cop car for 100k miles then get sold to some pajeet taxi driver for cheap at an auction who would then run them to 400k++ miles with insane idling hours. And alot of NYC pajeets would sub their car/medallion out to someone else so some of those vic's would be running 24 hours a day.

And yet Ubder service for a single shift is somehow extreme now because its an EV.
 
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There is only 1 tow truck company in my area that will take EVs.
They have a special blanket they wrap the car with for transport. Then at the yard they built big stalls out of stacks of mafia blocks to put the cars in, so if they reignite it doesnt spread to other cars in the yard.

I can't even imagine how you would deal with a EV that has a smashed battery pack that didn't burn. Trying to take it apart or remove it from the car would be like dealing with a bomb that failed to detonate.
 
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He gives them 9K to fix the car. And he "suspects" its a used battery pack? How does he not know what he paid for? Why do people put up with this crap? If I go the dealership and they are charging me 9K to replace a motor or transmission I want to know exactly what I am getting. Yes remanufactured engines are a thing from the dealer but even GM has a 3year/100K mile warranty on their "Goodwrench" reman stuff.

The lowly crown vic would normally live a life getting beat up as a cop car for 100k miles then get sold to some pajeet taxi driver for cheap at an auction who would then run them to 400k++ miles with insane idling hours. And alot of NYC pajeets would sub their car/medallion out to someone else so some of those vic's would be running 24 hours a day.

And yet Ubder service for a single shift is somehow extreme now because its an EV.

Fucker shouldn't have tried to inflate the car battery
 
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I took an uber in a tesla once. Dude was funny, he complained about moving to my city only to realize there were maybe 5 charging stations across a 60 mile radius and that he only got the tesla in in original city due to some tax thing. It also echoed like crazy inside the car, it was very uncomfortable. I have no idea how the acoustics were so terrible inside that vehicle. Also the front seats were huge and I couldnt see in front of me very well (sat in back) and I got a bit of motion sickness.
 
it’s also not going to be allowed to pull a standard trailer on a normal lorry license. You’d need the double trailer license just to pull a single trailer, it’s ridiculous.
Length restrictions are so relaxed in US/Canadian this can pull a 53' trailer on 99% of roads.
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so not only does this absolutely destroy driver sight
Because the Edison cab is more like a wheel loader from the 80s than a conventional truck and has the driver center-position, you can see both front fenders.
So now they got Topsy which is more of a logging truck (it doesn't have a differential iirc),
Each drive axle has it own motor. Topsy does not have the ability to run the axle motors at different speeds because the CEO is convinced Ackerman geometry doesn't apply to vocational trucks. They started out building an off-highway(ish) log truck and have a hard time grasping the vast majority vocational trucks spend 90% of their day on pavement. Hayes and Pacific are both dead companies because they built trucks that last forever and never really broke into the broader vocational market.


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50+ year old truck still working every day. The current owner of the Pacific Truck IP has been rebuilding Pacifics longer than the original plant has been closed.
 
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