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[Hybrid Icing]

prepare the top hats and puzzle pieces

I've had this theory for a while that whenever something is posted to Happenings it draws out the biggest mouth-breathing idiots on the site, and a lot of the recent pages help prove it.

If you're cheering for Musk here, you're ultimately damning Kiwi Farms, because if he gets a favorable verdict here it will destroy any free speech protections Null has. You do not want there to be civil penalties against people telling the truth about someone (and Musk's complaint admits that Media Matters told the truth about the ads). And if there are civil penalties for telling the truth about something because of tortious interference, every lolcow who can no longer find a job is going to be suing this forum.

This freedom of speech thing cuts both ways, you know? If you only like it for people you agree with, you're retarded.

 

[AnOminous]

If you're cheering for Musk here, you're ultimately damning Kiwi Farms, because if he gets a favorable verdict here it will destroy any free speech protections Null has.

This isn't even a defamation case. There are three counts: tortious interference, business disparagement, and interference with prospective economic advantage. It is over things Media Matters themselves said through their hirelings.

It has absolutely squat to do with § 230.

 

[JustSomeDong]

I've had this theory for a while that whenever something is posted to Happenings it draws out the biggest mouth-breathing idiots on the site, and a lot of the recent pages help prove it.

That you said this, then followed it with a woefully uninformed hot-take?

*Chef's kiss*

 

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

He’s in his 50s, and he’s definitely a lolcow. He will crash and burn spectacularly one day.

Makes sense, I thought he was early 30s idk why.

 

[The Repeated Meme]

why, though? sounds a lot like "hate speech is not free speech"

not trying to be a fag i'm just retarded and don't understand why

Slander and libel are forms of false statements that can harm a person's reputation. While freedom of speech is a fundamental right in many democratic societies, including the United States, it is not an absolute right. There are limitations on speech, and one of those limitations is the prohibition against making false statements that can harm someone's reputation.

The distinction lies in the potential harm caused by false statements. Free speech protections are based on the idea that individuals should be able to express their opinions and ideas without fear of censorship. However, when speech involves knowingly making false statements about someone that can damage their reputation, it can be considered harmful and is not protected by the same principles.

Slander and libel laws vary by jurisdiction, but they generally require that the false statement be made with a degree of fault, such as negligence or actual malice, depending on whether the person involved is a public figure or a private individual. Public figures often have a higher burden of proof, as they need to show that the false statement was made with knowledge of its falsity or with reckless disregard for the truth.

In summary, slander and libel are not protected under the umbrella of free speech because they involve false statements that can cause harm to individuals' reputations, and such harm is not considered an acceptable consequence of free expression.

"Hate Speech", on the other hand, is just a buzzword for 'speech I don't like or disagree with'; speech that, as the name implies involves alleged hate towards a specific group, which, while not nice, is not illegal because they simply constitute an opinion.

 

[kickingstones]

prepare the top hats and puzzle pieces

I've had this theory for a while that whenever something is posted to Happenings it draws out the biggest mouth-breathing idiots on the site, and a lot of the recent pages help prove it.

If you're cheering for Musk here, you're ultimately damning Kiwi Farms, because if he gets a favorable verdict here it will destroy any free speech protections Null has. You do not want there to be civil penalties against people telling the truth about someone (and Musk's complaint admits that Media Matters told the truth about the ads). And if there are civil penalties for telling the truth about something because of tortious interference, every lolcow who can no longer find a job is going to be suing this forum.

This freedom of speech thing cuts both ways, you know? If you only like it for people you agree with, you're retarded.

The best defense against defamation is the truth, that's why the farms has nothing to worry about.

 

[AgendaPoster]

And if there are civil penalties for telling the truth about something because of tortious interference, every lolcow who can no longer find a job is going to be suing this forum.

But was it the truth?
- MM states that Elon "endorsed anti-Semitic conspiracy theory" - is it a conspiracy? Or the truth? What if truth is anti-Semitic sometimes?
- MM states "Elon Musk continues his descent into white nationalist and antisemitic conspiracy theories"
I disagree. He's a cuckservatard sperg at most. I haven't seen anything actually anti-Semitic or WN from him. Where's the "homelands for Whites" Elon tweet?
- MM states he "endorsed the pernicious antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jewish people are supporting “hordes of minorities” who are “flooding” into the country to replace white people. That conspiracy theory was the same one that motivated the deadly 2018 Tree of Life synagogue shooting."
Again, is it true that Jewish led and staffed NGOs and non profits often have very liberal views on mass migration and attempt to turn societies more diverse, so Jews feel more protected?
It is accurate (in case the screenshots are legitimate) that ads were placed near neo-Nazi posts that were Hitler simping.
However, a social media platform like Xshitter is immense and the algorithms that go through the data are never perfect, nor instantaneous. Even here, it might take hours for mods to get to your reports, yes?
So what's the point in making public allegations, instead of reporting the content?
Yes, you figured it out.
The point is to ruin Elon and destroy twitter, cause it allows minor far right shitposting.

 

[Hybrid Icing]

This isn't even a defamation case. There are three counts: tortious interference, business disparagement, and interference with prospective economic advantage. It is over things Media Matters themselves said through their hirelings.

It has absolutely squat to do with § 230.

I didn't bring up 230.

You're an actual attorney, right? So let me ask you two questions, if you don't mind.

1. If Musk succeeds here, is it a negative for the general principle that you should be able to say whatever the fuck you want to whoever you want, so long as what you say is true?

2. If Musk succeeds here, can any of his arguments later be wielded against KF, its users, or Null?

I'm just a layman so my answers to those two questions are "yes, of course, and if you post here you should not be happy about this", but if you genuinely believe the answers to both questions are "no" I will happily eat my trash cans and go about my day. I'd rather be wrong about this.

 

[AnOminous]

Hopefully the legal team is reading this thread or else this lawsuit is doomed.

They didn't photoshop their screen shots. They created accounts that then followed nothing but literal Nazi accounts, then refreshed over and over again until they got the result they wanted. No normal acting account would have got these results even by gingering the ad server.

 

[Oxyjen]

Makes sense, I thought he was early 30s idk why.

Probably because this is still the most famous photo of him (lol)

 

[AnOminous]

I didn't bring up 230.

You're an actual attorney, right? So let me ask you two questions, if you don't mind.

Yes you did, whether you intended to or not. This particular statement implicates 230 because that's really the source of Null's protection.

If you're cheering for Musk here, you're ultimately damning Kiwi Farms, because if he gets a favorable verdict here it will destroy any free speech protections Null has.

Null's protection is 230. This case has absolutely zero impact on Null in any way.

Null is currently liable for what he posts, just like anyone else, and is protected by the First Amendment. He's absolutely immune for anything other people post except CP or potentially copyrighted material or similar content. If Musk wins (possibly a long shot), Null will still be protected by the First Amendment.

You're an actual attorney, right? So let me ask you two questions, if you don't mind.

Non-practicing attorney, like Nick Rekieta but less drunk and I usually actually look stuff up before saying it instead of just making it up.

1. If Musk succeeds here, is it a negative for the general principle that you should be able to say whatever the fuck you want to whoever you want, so long as what you say is true?

The main thing, though, is it isn't true. They claimed Xitter was routinely serving up Nazi content. This is a lie.

They exploited the ad server to fake the results, then misrepresented what they had done. Pretty dumb to do that when Xitter has the logs.

2. If Musk succeeds here, can any of his arguments later be wielded against KF, its users, or Null?

I don't see how. Users are already liable for their own content, although the brighter bulbs on the chandelier are probably effectively untraceable anyway. Null is liable for his own content (and potentially for copyright infringement since he is not going to allow CP to remain up), but completely immune for user content.

Even years ago, Vordrak managed to get a defamation verdict (default) against a user here (@Dyn) which was effectively an unenforceable piece of paper.

 

[Akashic Retard]

They didn't photoshop their screen shots. They created accounts that then followed nothing but literal Nazi accounts, then refreshed over and over again until they got the result they wanted. No normal acting account would have got these results even by gingering the ad server.

I don’t know why you’re saying this to me. I was just making fun of people in this thread that think they know something that some of the highest earning lawyers on Earth don’t know.

 

[TORtlEMUStRaNSUS]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/tortious_interference

Sadly this rule was written by a Jew so therefore doesn't apply to Jews.

 

[WhiteNight]

One thing I've noticed is that mainstream media always turns up all the way to 11. Musk tweets "Weird"

and suddenly dozens of news articles pop up saying Musk has endorsed Pizzagate. It's similar with his supposed "antisemitism" and conspiracy theories.

But this leaves them no room. What if Musk tweeted "The Jews have been undermining our beautiful Aryan race for thousands of years. #whitepower #defeatzog"? They'd barely be able to make their headlines more hysterical than they already are. Presumably journalists figure they're safe since Musk wouldn't tweet that, for the simple reason that he is obviously not antisemitic at all.

That conspiracy theory was the same one that motivated the deadly 2018 Tree of Life synagogue shooting.

This is such a stupid argument. The Unabomber was very concerned about environmental damage. So every time a politician tweets about climate change, the media will report that this is the same belief that motivated a deadly terror bombing campaign?

 

[Super-Chevy454]

If you use the term "ZOG" you still get flagged on X.

I wonder if we still get flagged if we mispell it as "zoog" or "zg"?

 

[Realistic]

Eh, points are points. Autistic thunderdome be thunderdomin' but I'm gonna say this anyways.

This is more about the money than it is about free speech. Elon Musk has no idea how to run a social media network and believes the idea of free speech is one where he can't be critiqued, made fun of or even shown reality. It's akin to Chris Chan posting that he won't listen to negative comments and pretending him raping his mom was an alternate timeline.

If Elon Musk did care about free speech, we would be seeing a lot of unrestricted stuff from both sides of the politicial spectrum and Twitter would be thriving as we speak but instead it's known as X and in my humble opinion, feels like a diluted version of this very here forum than anything regarding logical conversation.

I have no opinions on the party being sued but I will say from watching Elon Musk singlehandedly making a fool of himself that he has no idea how to run a social media network. All the stuff that he did to drive away advertisers was on him, he didn't have to respond to posts which would jeopardize his position but of course, he has autism which means he just does whatever he wants. He could of just handed off the technical aspects to a team and just handled the content but he made the platform unreliable. Also adding that if it weren't for him, all those Twitter alternatives would of never existed.

My legal belief is that Media Matters will win because they just reported on what Elon Musk did, 1st amendment does not prohibit you from reporting on stuff that other people do. Sure, the 1st ammendment does allow for anybody to distort the truth to suit their own perspective but it does not change what actually happened. Reality is reality and history is history.

For example: If I did something to deserve a lolcow thread then it would be justifiable because of said 1st amendment and because I actually did something. All the stuff that would occur to me would be on me and I would be stupid to sue Kiwi Farms because I would obviously lose in court.

I get some of y'all have opinions but I'm going to see how it plays out like Depp v. Heard.

 

[SIMIΔN]

Elon Musk will be the only living person remembered in 400 years.

Maybe if he establishes a Mars colony.
Even then, he'll still be played by a Black guy on SpaceFlix

instead of forcing [Jewish guilt] onto the rest of us.

Not just on us, religious Jews force their guilt onto sacrificial chickens.

Media Matters is worse than the ADL.

They are both bad, but the ADL increases antiJew hatred with every tweet.

I wonder if we still get flagged if we mispell it as "zoog" or "zg"?

Can't you think of another name for "fellow white people" than Zionist.

 

[Oxyjen]

The main thing, though, is it isn't true. They claimed Xitter was routinely serving up Nazi content. This is a lie.

I’ve never heard of Media Matters before but I took the time to go and read their article.

https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-x-has-been-placing-ads-apple-bravo-ibm-oracle

That doesn’t say “routinely serving up Nazi content”. It says that if you follow Nazi accounts then eventually you could see ads for major companies next to posts from those accounts.
And they back it up with screenshots.

They exploited the ad server to fake the results, then misrepresented what they had done. Pretty dumb to do that when Xitter has the logs.

I dunno man, that sounds like a lot of bluster from X. They aren’t denying it happened. “exploiting the ad server to fake the results” i.e using it like a real user who follows a lot of Nazi accounts either because they’re a Nazi, or an anti-Nazi keeping tabs on Nazis.

Will average Joe see that just by following the thread back on occasional veiled right-wing dogwhistle stuff that Musk reposts? Probably not, but I don’t think they lied - they went looking for examples, and they found them.
That’s what reporters do. If your nuclear plant leaks, even a tiny amount, there’s going to be very vigilant activist type people out on the shoreline with Geiger counters, shouting about a leak.
Saying it never happens is then not viable.

Suing them is also not viable, unless you’re a billionaire with pet Texan judges in your pocket.

 

[AnOminous]

It is accurate (in case the screenshots are legitimate) that ads were placed near neo-Nazi posts that were Hitler simping.

Only by rigging the algorithm. They created a bunch of sock accounts, had them follow nothing but Nazi content, then just repeatedly reloaded the pages until they got the results they wanted.

I dunno man, that sounds like a lot of bluster from X. They aren’t denying it happened. “exploiting the ad server to fake the results” i.e using it like a real user who follows a lot of Nazi accounts either because they’re a Nazi, or an anti-Nazi keeping tabs on Nazis.

Even Nazis generally follow other content.

 

[Terrifik]

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