2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Romeo]

Day 29 of the Gaza Offensive​

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Israel-Hamas War Update - November 24, 2023 - Day 49

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Day 23 - November 18, 2023 - Israel launches another successful assault into central Gaza from a different direction, creating a cauldron​

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• West Gaza (Tal al-Hawa):
  • The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) made significant advances in this direction where they entered Zeitoun/Zeitun District of the city of Gaza from the occupied Tal al-Hawa District in west Gaza. With another cauldron created, the Israelis in two directions are now close to the center of Gaza city. I will label this direction as West Gaza.
  • NOTE: I screwed up with the locations of the districts since I learned that Google Maps is not-at-all correct regarding the districts of Gaza.
    • Zeitoun District is actually south-west of the city instead of north-west as indicated by Google Maps. All references to Zeitoun District that I made in past updates is actually inside Rimal/Remal District, of which mappers have split into two: North and South Rimal. It is to note that the Palestinian Legislative Council/Palestinian Parliament, is in central Rimal, so between North and South, and al-Shifa Hospital is in North Rimal but close to the Parliament building.
    • Tal al-Hawa is the district north-west of Zeitoun that Google Maps labeled as Wahsh for some reason. I was confused at first when SuriyakMaps referenced it because it didn't show up in Google Maps. Now I know that Google is just retarded and I wouldn't really recommend Google Maps at all to find Gaza districts.
    • I highly recommend using OpenStreetMaps instead: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Gaza#map=14/31.5089/34.4542&layers=C. All the locations of the districts are more accurate.
• Northeast Gaza (Um Al-Nasser/Beit Hanoun/Beit Lahiya)
  • The IDF have continued advancing into the towns of Um Al-Nasser (north-east of Beit Lahiya/Lahia) and Beit Hanoun/Hanun, in which Israeli troops now have control of 70% of the latter.

Aftermath of the Israeli assault of Beit Hanoun (credit to @EyeGuy) - November 19​

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Day 25 - November 20, 2023 - Israel captures the Palace of Justice and have reached the Indonesian Hospital​

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• Northeast Gaza (Um Al-Nasser/Beit Hanoun/Beit Lahiya/Jabalia Camp):
  • The IDF reached the Sheikh Zayed Housing project in Beit Lahiya City and surrounded the nearby Indonesian Hospital (which is also on the eastern border of Jabalia refugee camp) by advancing adjacent to the Al Awda Road, which is a main artery from the Erez Checkpoint (Israel/Gaza Strip border) to Jabalia refugee camp. It is also to note another cauldron was created, nearly encircling the Hamas garrison in west Beit Hanoun.
• Southwest Gaza (Az-Zahra):
  • In addition, Israeli forces advanced south of Gaza taking control over the Palace of Justice, also known as the Hamas Supreme Court/Justice Ministry building, (31.478523, 34.411404) north-east of Az-Zahra and north of Al Mughraqa.

Soldiers of the Nahal Brigade capturing the "Palace of Justice" (Hamas Supreme Court/Justice Ministry building) near Az-Zahra, south of Gaza City. (Description credit: @EyeGuy)	Israeli troops have advanced further to the Indonesian Hospital. (Credit: @EyeGuy)

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Day 26 - November 21, 2023 - Israel makes minimal advances​

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• Northeast Gaza (Indonesian Hospital | Um Al-Nasser | Beit Hanoun | Beit Lahiya | Jabalia Camp):
  • Clashes have occurred between Israeli and Palestinian fighters around the Indonesian Hospital.
• West Gaza (Tal al-Hawa | Zeitoun):
  • Israeli forces made new advances into Zeitoun District and seized control of the University College of Applied Sciences at Gaza (31.497724, 34.436675).

IDF tank outside of the Indonesian Hospital. (Credit: @EyeGuy)​

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Day 27 - November 22, 2023 - Israel fully captures Atatra and the Southern Rimal District in Gaza in a significantly successful offensive​

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• Northwest Gaza (Atatra | Beit Lahiya | Jabalia Camp):
  • The IDF have fully captured the neighborhood of Al-Atatra in the city of Beit Lahiya, thus bringing 50% of the city under Israeli control. With this capture, the Israelis reached the Jabalia Refugee Camp from the north.
• West Gaza (Tal al-Hawa | Zeitoun | Southern Rimal | Sabra):
  • Israeli forces advanced from Zeitoun District and joined with the other Israeli forces in Sabra District, capturing the entire Southern Rimal District. It is to note that the Sabra District is located between the Gaza Old City (Central Gaza) in the east, Southern Rimal in the north-west, Tal al-Hawa in the west, and Zeitoun in the south-west. Israeli troops have presence in the Sabra District since 16 November as they have control over Omar al Mukhtar Street.
• Southwest Gaza (Az Zahra):
  • IDF forces made small advances towards Az-Zahra.

The IDF blows up entire residential complexes (used by Hamas) in the areas it controls. Forty multi-story buildings were demolished in one operation in Tel Al-Hawa. (Credit @EyeGuy)​	Destruction in Beit Hanoun and Beit Lahiya. (Credit @EyeGuy)​

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Day 28 - November 23, 2023 - Israel and Hamas initiate ceasefire to exchange hostages​

Hamas fighters releasing Israeli hostages. (Credit: @Squid Bitch)​

• Announced on 22 November, Israel and Hamas agreed to a ceasefire that will start on 10 A.M. tomorrow in which the two factions will exchange hostages.
• Pro-Palestinian non-Hamas factions launched missiles at Israel despite the ceasefire.
• Refugees of Gaza attempted to use the ceasefire to return to the city, but were warned by the IDF not to. However, they did so anyway and were shot and repelled by Israeli troops.
• There has been no change in territory recorded by SuriyakMaps since the ceasefire was in effect.

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Conclusion​

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Over the past week, Israel still has continuous success and Hamas and other pro-Palestinian factions are unable to push back the IDF in all regions. It is likely we may see the fall of Beit Lahiya and Beit Hanoun as it is now surrounded by cauldrons.

The ceasefire is much to Israel's detriment, as Hamas can finally recover and re-plan its defenses to make it harder for Israeli forces to enter the Old City of Gaza/Central Gaza, Jabalia, and Jabalia Refugee Camp, of which the latter two are the only Palestinian settlements to have minimal IDF presence.

However, it is to note that if the Indonesian Hospital, which I assume is a Hamas stronghold, falls, then Israel have gained entry into assaulting Jabalia Refugee Camp from the east, while the capture of Atatra would now lead to Israeli assaults into Jabalia from the north.

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Crediting most of what I have to SuriyakMaps (Telegram), which has been consistently neutral and reliable, and has been my main source for posting updates in the Russian Invasion of Ukraine thread.

Previous update: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/2023-israel-palestine-armed-conflict.173114/post-17189308

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External updates:​

• Abu Ali Express: https://t.me/englishabuali (pro-Israeli yet accurate)
• SuriyakMaps: https://t.me/Suriyak_maps (mapping)

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Edits:​

• Corrected affiliation of Abu Ali Express. (Thanks @EyeGuy)

 

[behindyourightnow]

This turned out to be mostly true, except a lot of the hostages were in fact elderly women. However, not a single young (read: hot) woman among them. It will be interesting to see who gets released tomorrow.

Old people would be significantly harder to keep as hostages, so they're probably more willing to let them go. Harder to transport someone around when she's got a bad hip and balance issues and keeps telling you the same story about her late husband 47 times.

The old ladies looks stiff and dazed, but that's to be expected. They seem to all be wearing clothes that fit them and aren't Muslim shit, so were they all dressed when they were kidnapped?

I find it interesting that Hamas cleaned up the hostages for the cameras. All clothes look freshly laundered and the hostages were able to wash their hair. Some of the old ladies look like they even styled their hair a bit.

I expected them to get dragged out to trucks looking like they'd been in a hole in the ground for weeks.

I mean, the whole point of taking hostages is to keep them alive, so it's not that surprising they are being taken care of. No use going to the trouble of kidnapping someone if you're just going to beat them to death. There might be one or two who were unlucky and got housed with Abdullah the Old Lady Killer, but presumably they are at least trying to keep them in good health.

40 BABIES
40 BABIES
40 BABIES

Never forget!

Worst haiku in the thread. 2/10.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

I mean, the whole point of taking hostages is to keep them alive,

I mean, well, yeah, but this is Hamas we're talking about. They couldn't even keep full control over all the hostages; many are held by one of the other terror groups operating in Gaza.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Over the past week, Israel still has continuous success and Hamas and other pro-Palestinian factions are unable to push back the IDF in all regions. It is likely we may see the fall of Beit Lahiya and Beit Hanoun as it is now surrounded by cauldrons.

The ceasefire is much to Israel's detriment, as Hamas can finally recover and re-plan its defenses to make it harder for Israeli forces to enter the Old City of Gaza/Central Gaza, Jabalia, and Jabalia Refugee Camp, of which the latter two are the only Palestinian settlements to have minimal IDF presence.

Theoretically, it shouldn't matter if the IDF has set up cauldrons if the tunnel network is as extensive as believed to be. Either they have been moving practically uninhibited this entire time or the tunnel network has unforeseeable limitations, probably as a series of networks separate from each other. It also means they can't mass up at any particular part of the field to push the IDF back or out.

The biggest problem for Hamas now is that they can't tard wrangle all the other Palestinian groups fighting. That makes coordination and documents of surrender impossible due to lack of chain of command and gives the IDF reason to continue targeting "civilians." After all, anyone with a gun in a warzone is an enemy combatant, but not a soldier. So, while Israel is violating the spirit of the law, they aren't violating the letter of it.

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

Pro-Palestinian/Extinction Rebellion protestors disrupted the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade in New York City:
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Libs of TikTok tweeted about it and Jewsh got triggered:
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What no cheese does to a motherfucker.

 

[A Cat in a Minefield]

I love his face. I dislike him and the way he usually responds to questions, but that reaction... Priceless.

 

[EyeGuy]

"Why won't you release videos of a murdered child's naked and broken pelvis so I can tell you it's AI generated?"

No proof will ever be good enough, and although I think that Israel should release all the footage it has, let's not pretend like the /pol/fags won't just move the goalposts again after they've finished jerking off.

Israel responding with automatic fire to a group of Gazans attempting to head north:

Destruction in the area of the Legislative Council. The building itself is definitely gone:

All that's left is the gate:

Interceptions in Eilat (no sirens though):

UPDATE: IDF says it may have been a false alarm and they are investigating.

Abu Ali Express: https://t.me/englishabuali (pro-Palestinian yet accurate)

Abu Ali is Israeli.

Israel destroyed buildings 1-3 in the Medinat A-Zaharaa housing complex this morning.
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Palestinians now reporting Israel has warned the residents of the other 21 buildings that they will be destroyed as well:
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Each building has 20 apartments so that means that there will soon be (in total) 480 new homeless families in Gaza. Maybe they can go culturally enrich San Francisco or Portland.

New drone footage of the complex:

 

[literalwho?]

The Spanish president, Pedro Sánchez, during his trip to Israel and Palestine

Barcelona - Hamas has thanked the Spanish President, Pedro Sánchez, and the Belgian Prime Minister, Alexander De Croo, for their "clear and bold" views on the war in Gaza and the death of civilians in the conflict. In a message broadcast through its official news agency, Shehab, Hamas highlights that Sánchez "indicated the possibility of his country taking the individual decision to recognize a Palestinian state if the European Union does not take this step." The terrorist organization also claims that both leaders expressed their rejection "of the destruction of Gaza and the indiscriminate killing of civilians" by Israel.

Sanchez's words sparked a diplomatic crisis with Israel, which accused the Spanish president of supporting "terrorists" and summoned the ambassador for consultations.

For its part, the Spanish government, through the Minister of Foreign Affairs, José Manuel Albares, regretted the reaction of Tel-Aviv, which it considered "unacceptable".

Also from Belgium, the prime minister, Alexander de Croo, has regretted Israel's criticism, and urged his counterpart Benjamin Netanyahu to listen to his speech in Ramallah again.

Asked about the thanks from Hamas, sources from the diplomatic representation of Israel in Spain have declined to comment.

 

[GeorgeAK]

Hamas delays hostage release, alleging Israel violated terms of cease-fire​

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Spoiler: Article Text

TEL AVIV, Israel — Hamas on Saturday put on hold a second hostages-for-prisoners exchange, alleging that Israel violated the terms of a temporary cease-fire agreement.

"The release of the second round of hostages to be delayed until Israel commits to the terms of the agreement — allowing aid trucks into the north of Gaza," Hamas' military wing said in a statement on its television channel.

It was not immediately clear which specific delivery of aid the Hamas statement referred to. The Israeli Prime Minister's office declined immediate comment, but an Israeli official told NPR that "Israel did not violate the agreement."

A senior Hamas leader, speaking on a Beirut-based satellite news channel, also blamed Israel for firing on Palestinians. His comments were an apparent reference to an incident on Friday in which Hamas said two people were killed and 30 wounded when Israeli soldiers opened fire on them in the early hours of the truce. Israel's military has declined multiple requests to comment on the shooting.

The senior Hamas leader, Osama Hamdan, said mediators were trying to solve the disputes.

The second batch of hostages were set to be released around 4 p.m. local time (9 a.m. ET), according to Israeli media. But about an hour and a half later, the announcement from Hamas came down.

The delay at least temporarily dashes the hopes of families of the Hamas captives and Palestinians waiting for the release of prisoners from Israeli jails.

The sudden reversal capped a day of anticipation after a successful swap on the first day of the cease-fire on Friday, when Hamas handed over two dozen hostages, including 13 Israelis who were seized as part its Oct. 7 assault on Israel that killed around 1,200 people, Israel says. In exchange, Israel released 39 Palestinian prisoners.

Nearly 15,000 Palestinians have been killed since the start of the conflict and more than 30,000 wounded, according to the latest figures from Gaza's health ministry.
Among the Israelis who won freedom on Friday is Hanna Katzir, who the Palestinian Islamic Jihad — a militia group that also took part in last month's attack on Israel — had earlier said was killed in an Israeli airstrike. Other Israelis released are eight members of three separate families, including four young children. Five captives, including Katzir, are in their 70s and the oldest is 85.

Hospitals where the freed hostages were taken have reported that they are in generally good condition. Dr. Efrat Bron-Harlev, the CEO of Schneider Children's Medical Center, said the four children, three mothers and a grandmother there "are in the best and most caring hands."

"Their physical condition is good and they are currently undergoing medical and emotional assessment by the medical and psychosocial teams at Schneider Children's in a specially designated and private area," Bron-Harlev said.

As Israeli hostages were being freed and reunited with their families on Friday, there were scenes of celebration in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, where the Palestinians prisoners were being handed over. An enormous crowd in the heart of Ramallah gathered, chanting pro-Hamas slogans and waved the militant group's green flag.
The temporary truce was brokered by Qatar, Egypt and the United States. Under the terms of the deal, Israel and Hamas must halt combat operations while at least 50 Israelis and 150 Palestinian prisoners are exchanged in groups each day. Israel says it could extend the cease-fire up to 10 days if Hamas keeps releasing captives.

Egypt's state information service on Saturday said that Egyptian officials were working with parties involved in the negotiations "to extend the truce period between the Israeli and Palestinian sides, for a day or so."

Israel's military has vowed to resume fighting once the deal expires or breaks down. "At the end of the operational pause, we will return promptly to our operations and offensive in Gaza," military chief of staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi said Saturday.

Meanwhile in Gaza, the pause in fighting has opened the door for the besieged Hamas-controlled territory to receive badly needed food, fuel and other supplies after weeks of bombardment from Israeli warplanes and ground forces. Israel has vowed to crush Hamas. The fighting has displaced nearly half of Gaza's population of 2.3 million people, according to UNRWA, the U.N. relief agency overseeing Palestinians.

With the temporary cease-fire, some Palestinians are feeling safe enough to visit relatives in central and southern Gaza for the first time since the fighting began. Fuel supplies are scarce so they are using cooking oil to power old cars.

However, last month Israel's military warned Gazans living in the northern half of the territory, which includes Gaza City's half-million people, to move to the south or risk being killed during Israeli operations.
A spokesperson for Israel's Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) said Saturday that 200 trucks carrying humanitarian aid entered Gaza from Egypt. It said the trucks were carrying food, water, shelter equipment and medical supplies.

"The United Nations led the deployment of over 50 humanitarian aid trucks to both the northern Gaza Strip and shelters that have not yet been evacuated. This deployment is being carried out with Israeli approval through the evacuation corridor," COGAT said.

The Palestinian Red Crescent says it was able to deliver humanitarian aid by convoy to Gaza City and the North Gaza Governorate. It said the aid delivery was considered the largest since the conflict began.

The same number of trucks were dispatched to Gaza on Friday, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA).

On his second visit to Gaza, UNRWA Commissioner-General General Philippe Lazzarini said the agency is ready to receive more than 150 trucks a day of aid.

"It is time to remove bureaucratic hurdles and restrictions on UNRWA so that we can expand and accelerate the delivery of much-needed humanitarian assistance to more than two million people," Lazzarini said.

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TL;DR: Hamas is currently holding off on releasing the second round of hostages claiming Israel has not held up to its end of the agreement to keep allowing humanitarian aid into the north of Gaza, Israel denies these claims.

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/25/1215176593/gaza-israel-hostages-palestinian-prisoners-release

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[celebrityskin]

"Why won't you release videos of a murdered child's naked and broken pelvis so I can tell you it's AI generated?"

No proof will ever be good enough, and although I think that Israel should release all the footage it has, let's not pretend like the /pol/fags won't just move the goalposts again after they've finished jerking off.

"There are no tunnels under Shifa but there are and they were built by Israel, but all the weapons they've found are planted but they're also legitimate resistance because Gaza is just like the Warsaw Ghetto. I mean just look at these beach resorts & mansions Israel destroyed."

 

[ForTheHoard]

"There are no tunnels under Shifa but there are and they were built by Israel, but all the weapons they've found are planted but they're also legitimate resistance because Gaza is just like the Warsaw Ghetto. I mean just look at these beach resorts & mansions Israel destroyed."

I wish we could just cut through all the justifications and propaganda for once. Just figure out if you hate Jews or Muslims more and root for the other side.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Hamas actually following through on the deal actually makes me cautiously optimistic some sort of permanent ceasefire can be reached to get the rest out, though that depends on a myriad of factors. Hamas is three sheets to the wind atm, having been sold down the river by Iran. The only reason they are even in negotiations is because they know they are cornered, but the hostages remain their sole bargaining chip.

The releases are a good start, but that is just not enough to fully end the war. Israel is going to want guarantees this time. And that guarantee will probably involve Hamas ending its Armed faction and becoming solely a political movement, with security in the Gaza Strip replaced by something else. If not the Israeli army, then some form of international force under a UN Security Council Mandate. Ideally, Jordan or Egypt should assume security responsibility. But they won't because they fucking hate the Palestinians and want nothing to do with them.

Hilariously, the ONLY country that comes to mind that could actually do the job is the Vatican City, by deploying the Pontifical Swiss Guards to Gaza. And maybe that Special Operations unit Iceland keeps in place of a military for "peacekeeping". You really don't get more "neutral" then that (barring religious issues, but Hamas really is in no position to argue the details).

This is pie in the sky though. Most likely things will go to shit in a few days and we'll be back to mass destruction again.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Hamas actually following through on the deal actually makes me cautiously optimistic some sort of permanent ceasefire can be reached to get the rest out, though that depends on a myriad of factors. Hamas is three sheets to the wind atm, having been sold down the river by Iran. The only reason they are even in negotiations is because they know they are cornered, but the hostages remain their sole bargaining chip.

The releases are a good start, but that is just not enough to fully end the war. Israel is going to want guarantees this time. And that guarantee will probably involve Hamas ending its Armed faction and becoming solely a political movement, with security in the Gaza Strip replaced by something else. If not the Israeli army, then some form of international force under a UN Security Council Mandate. Ideally, Jordan or Egypt should assume security responsibility. But they won't because they fucking hate the Palestinians and want nothing to do with them.

There is absolutely zero chance for a permanent ceasefire. Hamas is DONE, period; Israel has made its destruction a public war goal and intends to see that through. Hamas is a terrorist organization whose entire raison d'etre is the destruction of the Jewish state. They would never recognize the Jewish state as a legitimate entity, let alone negotiate with them as equals. This ceasefire is a tactical move to try to regroup their forces and establish some kind of defense. And at this point, it doesn't even look Hamas will hold to their end of the bargain.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

There is absolutely zero chance for a permanent ceasefire. Hamas is DONE, period; Israel has made its destruction a public war goal and intends to see that through. Hamas is a terrorist organization whose entire raison d'etre is the destruction of the Jewish state. They would never recognize the Jewish state as a legitimate entity, let alone negotiate with them as equals. This ceasefire is a tactical move to try to regroup their forces and establish some kind of defense. And at this point, it doesn't even look Hamas will hold to their end of the bargain.

Worse than that. The Gazans are done if they've got rogue Palestinians that Hamas can't control.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

There is absolutely zero chance for a permanent ceasefire.

There has never been a chance for a permanent ceasefire.

Hamas has NEVER wanted a two state solution, the only way that would have been a viable strat is if the people who bankroll and equip Hamas were to be leaned on so hard that they would tell Hamas to stop being retarded out of self interest.

 

[ForTheHoard]

So once Hamas is totally destroyed, what are they going to call the group of organized, militant Muslims determined to destroy the Jewish state that replaces them?

 

[Racist Trash]

So once Hamas is totally destroyed, what are they going to call the group of organized, militant Muslims determined to destroy the Jewish state that replaces them?

XMAS their leader will be joshuar Conner moon and he will fight for meat and cheese.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Weird that I've never heard this kind of thing mentioned any time someone brings up the "colonial troops fought in European wars!" argument.

Hehe yeah because as we all know, the Brown can do no wrong.

That said the incident referenced was probably not NEARLY as bad as certain propoganda items claim. The French shot 28 Moroccans for rape and punished almost 200 more, if thousands upon thousands of Italian women and girls were getting raped over a few days in one specific area it would be well known.

Just like how the Soviets couldn't really cover up the mass rapes when Berlin was taken.



Later the French provided compensation to just under 1500 victims and an Italian Senate investigation put the number at an even 2,000.

This also shows the inability of tribal societies to behave in the civilized western world.

Trying to convince savages that peace is a better alternative to war is huge waste of time, and has been for millennia. Everyone on both teams is in the middle of a blood lust. Tens of thousands will die, millions will be displaced, and it will only further exacerbate regional conflicts going forward. Total extermination isn't an achievable goal for either side. Every dead Arab will radicalize 10 Islamists, and every dead Jew will radicalize 10 Zionists. Every country on the planet is forced to have an opinion, creating greater global division. Nothing of value will be gained for anyone and the world will be a little bit shittier for everyone than it was the day before. At least we'll all get our dopamine hit when "one of theirs" dies and vindication when "one of ours" does something heroic and of propagandist benefit.

It's almost like the West didn't just leave the Middle East after taking 20 years to realize it was fucking pointless.

Most Arabs honestly don't care about the annoying Palestinians and there are maximum 25 million Jews on Earth.

The middle East still has massive amounts of cash and fossil fuels so they'll be important for a few more decades.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

if thousands upon thousands of Italian women and girls were getting raped over a few days in one specific area it would be well known.

It is well known in Italy, but passed largely without mention in the Anglosphere.

 

[Scale Smerch]

So once Hamas is totally destroyed, what are they going to call the group of organized, militant Muslims determined to destroy the Jewish state that replaces them?

Better question is where such a group would begin to organize. Israel has already stated they intend on full military access at any time to Gaza as part of any peace deal - there is no Hamas organizing within the territory under such terms. If you're forced to run a government/organization from exile you've already lost half your support and will have plenty of would-be competitors ready to neck you for a chance at the prize.