Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate & Woman-Hate Thread-Hate Thread

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I cant' believe you have sympathy for the woman for the unrealistic standards. This is why we'll never see eye-to-eye, you will always circle back to putting the woman in a good light.

Nooooooo, I was very deliberately and explicitly talking about men and women with fantasy/fantastic expectations.

You must have been paying, no app allows you to filter by those anymore for free, or else you're lying. Or it was 10 years ago or so.

I don't lie. It was awhile ago. Not likely 10 years, but not in the last 3 for sure. Though not just once/not just on one platform. And I'm not in the 20s age-band.

Only point of my comment was - I saw a lot of nice-looking, at least somewhat sentient women, once filtered for a basic level of education and reasonably stable seeming income, and their profiles seemed more or less fine (not flaky, not insane, not angry).

I didn't offer this as "proof" of anything, merely that when I did some minor, curious looking, I saw a lot of decent-seeming women, at least on the face of it. Nothing more than that.

Also, appearances can be deceiving.

Absolutely, and that applies across the board. I am not engaged in online dating now, but I was, on and off, for a long time. I've been on a billion dates, mostly fine-to-good, some hilariously awful. I've also had dating and more serious relationships that developed out of meeting online (also ranging from fine to horrible). There is absolutely a lot of false advertising out there. I know that is true for men and have no reason to think women don't do it, too.

I have never been with a mentally sound woman in my life. Every single one of them ended up being trainwreck or a sociopath.

I'm going to be gentle here. But I think I have said or alluded to elsewhere that although I believe that bad people are 100% accountable for the bs and damage they do, if we (any of us) repeatedly get involved with bad people, it may be useful to reflect 360. I can speak about that in more detail, but understand I am not "blaming the victim."

Either that, or you're very comfortable with your average woke, socialist woman, who is more the norm today than not.

I literally know none of those types, so that's probably not the right answer.

You don't, but most women do. We aren't arguing about you.

And yet I am a woman. And you have personalized your comments and challenges to "me" multiple times.

Have you kept up on the modern culture? A laaaaarge number of women call themselves "witches" now.

Dude, I'm a grown woman of a certain age, not an out-of-touch relic. And I'm certainly no noob online or otherwise, culturally.

I have no answer for you on why it's a current fad among women of your age, or older. I do know quite a few young (very late teens/early 20s) women, and none of them are deep into that. A few like it more than others, but none super-deep. Of the ones I know who have been into mystical stuff, from what I've seen, a) they tend to use it as a mode to feel a connection with the larger world, or to find peace internally, and b) they tend to outgrow it as a major life-element when they find or require more practical focus elsewhere. I am not being dismissive of those who do find lasting value in it, just relaying observations of the popular phenomenon.

And it's OK you don't like women who are into those things. Exclude them from your pool. I'm a little puzzled why they irritate you so much. If they're not for you, keep moving.

I've already banged my head on a wall called "womankind"

There's not a bone in my body that believes a healthy and real relationship with a woman where both sides give evenly is possible. I couldn't even picture it in my head.

Tragique.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Ayooooooooooooo
Why are you nerds fighting

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

If you guys aren't seeing the trends with current American women, your head is in the sand. Every guy reading this is going to know exactly what I'm talking about in regards to American women in their 20s and 30s, why you pretend not to see it is beyond me.

'm going to be gentle here. But I think I have said or alluded to elsewhere that although I believe that bad people are 100% accountable for the bs and damage they do, if we (any of us) repeatedly get involved with bad people, it may be useful to reflect 360. I can speak about that in more detail, but understand I am not "blaming the victim."

Yeah, you want me to reflect? A month ago I had to deal with one of my exes who was still a friend going bonkers, messaging everyone I knew with manic bullshit, and I spent a lot of back-and-forth with her family so they could take care of her. Her goddamn mother even calling me, multiple times, among other things to tell me to convince her to dump her current boyfriend, which I long had already tried to do. Big dramabomb. She got sent to the loony bin for a short while. I was rewarded with my ex eventually telling me that she was upset that I "talked about her with people" (because I had to investigate what was going on) and her stopping talking to me with barely an acknowledgment of how I much I just did for someone I wasn't seeing, wasn't into, and hadn't seen in over a year. Talking about her, like she didn't message all of my friends with word-fucking-salad trying to talk about me...! Though, none of it made any sense at all.

I have nothing to reflect upon, other than the stupidity of constantly sticking my neck out for other people who don't put in half the amount of effort. I've been reflecting on that a lot lately.

 

[dvnc]

Ayooooooooooooo
Why are you nerds fighting

literally no one is fighting atm. calm down, dummy.

 

[dvnc]

If you guys aren't seeing the trends with current American women, your head is in the sand.

I don't spend my time making friends with women like that. More than often they are young-minded retards who are into Current Thing. That covers zero of my interests. So I don't waste my time.

 

[umami's milk]

If you guys aren't seeing the trends with current American women, your head is in the sand. Every guy reading this is going to know exactly what I'm talking about in regards to American women in their 20s and 30s, why you pretend not to see it is beyond me.

Yeah, you want me to reflect? A month ago I had to deal with one of my exes who was still a friend going bonkers, messaging everyone I knew with manic bullshit, and I spent a lot of back-and-forth with her family so they could take care of her. Her goddamn mother even calling me, multiple times, among other things to tell me to convince her to dump her current boyfriend, which I long had already tried to do. Big dramabomb. She got sent to the loony bin for a short while. I was rewarded with my ex eventually telling me that she was upset that I "talked about her with people" (because I had to investigate what was going on) and her stopping talking to me with barely an acknowledgment of how I much I just did for someone I wasn't seeing, wasn't into, and hadn't seen in over a year. Talking about her, like she didn't message all of my friends with word-fucking-salad trying to talk about me...! Though, none of it made any sense at all.

I have nothing to reflect upon, other than the stupidity of constantly sticking my neck out for other people who don't put in half the amount of effort. I've been reflecting on that a lot lately.

Simply don't date BPD hoes. Hope this helps, kang!

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I don't spend my time making friends with women like that. More than often they are young-minded retards who are into Current Thing. That covers zero of my interests. So I don't waste my time.

I don't either. I try to avoid them, other than my ex, which is its own story in satisfying my curiosity to its most perverse extremes. The point is, dating for guys now is a minefield of absolute horseshit. But it's not just 20 year olds anymore.

It's gotten so bleak talking to American women that I've resorted to messaging foreign women. Far less likely to hear a gender spiel or believing in literal fucking Harry Potter magic. Everything American women are about is entertainment. They get their goddamn religious beliefs from entertainment. They're constantly engaged in fantasy play.

You know that it's women spearheading this socialism stuff, right? Just look at "The Squad"--all women, save for two who nobody knows about or talks about.

Simply don't date BPD hoes. Hope this helps, kang!

That chick wasn't BPD. She has a lot going on, but nothing Cluster B. I don't hate her, but at this point I'm done.

The first time was a mistake! The second time was a challenge, which I navigated with gusto and came out on top. Hell, she even left all her shampoo and conditioner, etc., stuff for me in my bathroom, I made out like a bandit. I didn't even leave her a toenail clipping.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I have nothing to reflect upon, other than the stupidity of constantly sticking my neck out for other people who don't put in half the amount of effort. I've been reflecting on that a lot lately.

That's exactly what I was talking about.

Ayooooooooooooo
Why are you nerds fighting

Don't kill my vibe, man.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

So you're basically telling me not to give a shit about women? Already there, sweet cheeks.

edit:

Hell, the supernatural stuff I'm talking about is even on the Farms!

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/arts-practices-of-the-witchy-woman.177307/

 

[MMS-China]

So you're basically telling me not to give a shit about women? Already there, sweet cheeks.

edit:

Hell, the supernatural stuff I'm talking about is even on the Farms!

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/arts-practices-of-the-witchy-woman.177307/

Funny coincidence. I had an acquaintance tell me today she just got a wish bracelet and showed it to me. It just looks like she tied a string around her wrist, and she told me once it disintegrates to the point it falls off her wish will come true. Girl could've been a model, but the random mismatched tattoos, pink hair, and two nose rings already notified me of what was happening.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Funny coincidence. I had an acquaintance tell me today she just got a wish bracelet and showed it to me. It just looks like she tied a string around her wrist, and she told me once it disintegrates to the point it falls off her wish will come true. Girl could've been a model, but the multitude of random mismatched tattoos, pink hair, and two nose rings already notified me of what was happening.

So why are all us men seeing this but somehow these women quickly put on invisibility cloaks when these other women are in the room?

I think a lot of men, especially the musclehead beefy kind that acts like they were pushed out of mother in the outhouse, are dumb troglodyte apes themselves, but this is straight up magical thinking of a very supernatural level.

It's like women go out of their ways to study everything that doesn't confer actual knowledge. Like, in the real world, knowledge is mundane and interative, it's not some fancy story about fucking cups and wands and magicians and emperors. It's discovered through rigorous methodology, not cutesy (read: faggy) storytelling tricks. I will never be kind about this subject, because there is absolutely no excuse for this absolutely retarded horse shit, especially when I often hear women say things like "I like science and astrology!"

 

[MMS-China]

I think a lot of men, especially the musclehead beefy kind that acts like they were pushed out of mother in the outhouse, are dumb troglodyte apes themselves, but this is straight up magical thinking of a very supernatural level.

It's like women go out of their ways to study everything that doesn't confer actual knowledge. Like, in the real world, knowledge is mundane and interative, it's not some fancy story about fucking cups and wands and magicians and emperors. It's discovered through rigorous methodology, not cutesy (read: faggy) storytelling tricks. I will never be kind about this subject, because there is absolutely no excuse for this absolutely retarded horse shit, especially when I often hear women say things like "I like science and astrology!

It doesn't only extend to new age stuff. A quite conservative girl I know who is a Christian is convinced those giant Churches where the pastor knocks people out with the Holy Spirit is real.

 

[dvnc]

So why are all us men seeing this but somehow these women quickly put on invisibility cloaks when these other women are in the room?

I see it and I laugh at it and I make fun of it and I move on. I'm not looking for a woman so that's where it starts and stops for me.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I see it and I laugh at it and I make fun of it and I move on. I'm not looking for a woman so that's where it starts and stops for me.

Yeah, that's the problem, if I saw a guy into this shit, I'd bully him

 

[dvnc]

Yeah, that's the problem, if I saw a guy into this shit, I'd bully him

I've given my share of annoyance to the other ladies here and have been called a pick-me a ton of times. It is what it is.

 

[Fareal]

one of my exes who was still a friend

my brother in Josh, the one constant iron rule across human sexual relationships, regardless of gender or sexuality is: there is no such thing as being friends with an ex.

One of you is either hanging on desperately for another chance, or one of you is just abusing the lingering goodwill of the other. The best you can ever hope for is an awkward but amicable parting and then to both do your damndest to never fucking set eyes on each other again.

There are no "exes who are still a friend". Please stop doing emotional labour for this person who doesn't even sleep with you. the fact this person's parents are so fucking entitled that they think they can make you responsible for her emotional and mental wellbeing is fucking jawdropping.

Block them all, yesterday. As my daddy says, "in this family, we do nothing for nothing for anyone." Please stop working for this person for free. It's corrosive. She is not entitled to any of your time, effort or interest. She has ceased to exist in your life.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

my brother in Josh, the one constant iron rule across human sexual relationships, regardless of gender or sexuality is: there is no such thing as being friends with an ex.

One of you is either hanging on desperately for another chance, or one of you is just abusing the lingering goodwill of the other. The best you can ever hope for is an awkward but amicable parting and then to both do your damndest to never fucking set eyes on each other again.

There are no "exes who are still a friend". Please stop doing emotional labour for this person who doesn't even sleep with you. the fact this person's parents are so fucking entitled that they think they can make you responsible for her emotional and mental wellbeing is fucking jawdropping.

Block them all, yesterday. As my daddy says, "in this family, we do nothing for nothing for anyone." Please stop working for this person for free. It's corrosive. She is not entitled to any of your time, effort or interest. She has ceased to exist in your life.

No, both of us moved on, and I completely disagree that you can't just be friends after a breakup. It's one of those truisms like "you can't just be friends with the opposite sex" I think are completely bullshit. We reconnected after a long period of not talking with her in a relationship and me going after someone (at the time). The situation here I describe does not have a romantic component on either end, but I've already blocked her not for any reason relating to that but because I'm sick of her claiming she's dealt with her mental issues because she's made some superficial changes. Both of us changed, which is why we could be friends, but apparently now we've changed enough where that just can't exist either.

 

[Fareal]

No, both of us moved on, and I completely disagree that you can't just be friends after a breakup. It's one of those truisms like "you can't just be friends with the opposite sex" I think are completely bullshit. We reconnected after a long period of not talking with her in a relationship and me going after someone (at the time). The situation here I describe does not have a romantic component on either end, but I've already blocked her not for any reason relating to that but because I'm sick of her claiming she's dealt with her mental issues because she's made some superficial changes. Both of us changed, which is why we could be friends, but apparently now we've changed enough where that just can't exist either.

Civil disagreement is cosy.

From a foid: she's using you. She probably doesn't even conceptualise it that way, but she is using you. Her parents even tried to inveigle you into her monkey branching. She picked up contact with you when she was with some other dude she was looking to offload, and you were single. This is some bad fucking relationship patterning. There is a blind spot in her thinking where you might still be an option she can choose to take up. Not kicking her into the "someone I used to know" camp allows her to keep this parasitical faux attachment open.

You are giving this woman emotional energy that you then don't have to give to someone else, or even better, yourself. You don't owe anyone friendship, or emotional support.

An ex has nothing to offer you they didn't already give. You already had their "best self" in the relationship, and it didn't outweigh their baggage, so you cut them loose. There is no way you are hurting for friends so badly that you need to keep the shipwrecks of failed romances around, sir.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Civil disagreement is cosy.

From a foid: she's using you. She probably doesn't even conceptualise it that way, but she is using you. Her parents even tried to inveigle you into her monkey branching. She picked up contact with you when she was with some other dude she was looking to offload, and you were single. This is some bad fucking relationship patterning. There is a blind spot in her thinking where you might still be an option she can choose to take up. Not kicking her into the "someone I used to know" camp allows her to keep this parasitical faux attachment open.

You are giving this woman emotional energy that you then don't have to give to someone else, or even better, yourself. You don't owe anyone friendship, or emotional support.

An ex has nothing to offer you they didn't already give. You already had their "best self" in the relationship, and it didn't outweigh their baggage, so you cut them loose. There is no way you are hurting for friends so badly that you need to keep the shipwrecks of failed romances around, sir.

It's really just because she has very few friends and I'm the only one looking out for her, actually (other than her family). She's not in great mental health and her judgment is not sound and her current boyfriend is an autist. But she's not my responsibility; if she's going to act that way. We've already drifted apart. This is the point where I lock the door behind me, for the reasons you described.

She thought about me a lot because I basically saved her life and helped turn her life completely around. Sadly her mental issues have caused her to backslide. I wish I could kick her boyfriend's ass, I don't want to talk to her anymore but I'm disgusted by what a slovenly, pathetic, autist of a 'man' he is.

For what it's worth, our breakup wasn't due to bad behavior, grade-A fuckups or misplaced trust, it was due to her inability to deal with her mental issues.

 

[Fareal]

Why would she ever develop the tools to deal with her mental issues when she had (has) you to deal with them for her? What's in that for her, if you'll deal with the major inconveniences of being batshit for her?

I'll repeat important advice I was once given: "Why would [they] change anything about how they behave towards you? Your relationship as it is currently is fulfilling all [their] needs and pretty much all [their] wants. There is absolutely no incentive for [them] to change."

You can't make someone change, and honestly generally it's not worth trying. But you have to beware of people whose idea of dealing with their problems is to hand them to you. A problem shared is not a problem halved, but doubled, when you deal with those people. Some folk are a living vortex of drama and trouble.

You put a lot of effort into this project girlfriend, and you'll get your reward in heaven. But please, do not give her any more of your energy and effort. There is zero incentive for her to get better as long as you will be around enough to pick up the pieces.

If I said you did most of the practical work to turn her life around (say, you did the job applications, taking her to interviews, straightening out her educational paperwork, making sure she got together enough credits to get some sort of qualification, handled her difficult landlord etc etc), would I be wrong?

And now the shit has hit the fan again and she "thought about you a lot" because the answer to her problems is "get you to fix them". This tactic worked super well for her before, she has no reason to not think it will work again. Actually, last time you just proved that you can clean up her mess for her. This is how dudes end up with absolutely crazy wives they can't leave because the kids will be removed for neglect inside a year.

With absolutely no snideness in this comment whatsoever: no wonder you are blackpilled about relationships. This shit is legit toxic. You are not anybody's handmaiden. You were not put on this earth to be someone's unpaid and unthanked wrangler. I'm sure she has many good qualities, but no one has enough good qualities to be worth a life spent trying to keep their show on the road. That shit is beyond exhausting.