What is really wrong with Russians and other Slavic groups of people?

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

But generally, yeah, Russians have substance abuse problems. Probably helps when you’re living in a decaying Soviet-era apartment block in flat, frozen land where there is literally nothing to do except continue to exist in purgatory

The USSR achieved the pod decades before the WEF started dreaming of 15-minute ghettos. To their credit even they knew eating the bugs and owning nothing was insane.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Yeah a good example is how Russia built rail with their own specs, and Ukraine is kind of fucked because their rail is Soviet spec and not compatible with western trains.

Also, Poles were unhappily occupied and hated Russians since the Duchy of Warsaw collapsed during Catherine the Great’s time. That’s what Chopin’s famous Funeral March is about, btw. Which also tangents into Poles having a very, very, distinct history of achievement and culture entirely separate from Russia.

Soviets had nothing to do with the Russian railroad gauge, as evidenced by why it's found in Poland and Finland too. It was chosen all the way back in the 1840s. The Russian railroads were not well-connected to the outside world at the time so they never bothered to change it.

Poland did not hate Russia since in truth a lot of the country was pro-Russian and the Russians were far better occupiers than the Austrians (who promoted Ukrainian-Polish race wars in Galicia) or the Prussians (who were into ethnically cleansing Poles and banning Catholicism). Before radical nationalists ruined it for everyone, Poland kept its own laws and had the same status as Finland (a legally independent country with the Tsar as King of Poland). Polish nobles themselves voted to join the Russian Empire because it was the best way of preserving Polish independence and suppressing violent liberal insurrections. There are a huge number of Poles who fought for Russia, including the people who suppressed the Polish insurrections and Poles occupied high places in Russian society in the 19th/early 20th century. The only reason these Poles did not support the USSR was because they were inherently conservative and few conservatives supported the USSR. Although some did, such as Felix Dzerzhinsky (Cheka secret police boss), Andrei Vyshinsky (Stalinist show trial judge), and Marshal Konstantin Rokossovsky.

Tito had a falling out with Stalin all the way back in the 1950’s and moved Yugoslavia closer economically to Western Europe.

Another piece is who actually rebelled against the USSR, who actually pushed for independence. Ceausescu was a disaster for Romania and Ukraine needed to be kicked out of the nest post-collapse. Not to delegitimize Ukraine as an independent nation, after all the holodomor happened, but they were so close to completely absorbed by Russia within the USSR that it was hard to tell the difference.

Ceausescu's foreign policy was about as independent as one could get from the USSR. He had trade deals with the West, opposed Soviet interventions in Eastern Europe, maintained his own nuclear program, and saber-rattled against his supposed fellow communists in Hungary. BTW there was no "Holodomor" since the Stalinist famine affected Russia and Belarus as well and the Soviets practically created the Ukrainian nation (as evidenced by 1/3 of the Politburo being Ukrainians during the so-called "genocidal famine" against the Ukrainians).

 

[Pedophobe]

(as evidenced by 1/3 of the Politburo being Ukrainians during the so-called "genocidal famine" against the Ukrainians).

Yeah because a politburo member would never act against the interests of the people.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Poland did not hate Russia since in truth a lot of the country was pro-Russian

Ok dude, just like how a lot of Poles fought for the USSR in WW2, right? Meaning because they didn’t have a choice.

“they were just a little too conservative to like, do the whole communism thing. Minor detail! No problem, really. Besties for life”

Like wtf

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Yeah because a politburo member would never act against the interests of the people.

I agree they did, but that doesn't mean they were out to genocide Ukrainians since if Stalin actually had a problem with Ukrainians then it would've been off to the gulag with them. Instead they kept getting promoted.

Ok dude, just like how a lot of Poles fought for the USSR in WW2, right? Meaning because they didn’t have a choice.

“they were just a little too conservative to like, do the whole communism thing. Minor detail! No problem, really. Besties for life”

Like wtf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Polish_generals_in_the_Imperial_Russian_Army (Polish Wikipedia has an even bigger list)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targowica_Confederation (Wikipedia has long had a Polish nationalist problem, but bias aside this is still a decent summary)

They had plenty of choice, since they were high-ranking noblemen (Branicki and Potocki for instance were two of the wealthiest most powerful families in Poland-Lithuania) who often married Russian nobles and embarked on the same careers Russian noblemen did. One of them, Stanislaw Potocki, was quoted as saying "Each true Pole, not blinded by the Prussian and royalist cabal, is convinced, that our Fatherland can only be saved by Russia, otherwise our nation will be enslaved."

Ergo, they were not people who were into communism and Poles in Imperial Russian service usually joined the re-established Poland as a result. Ultimately they made the right choice for their situation since the alternative was turning Poland into a battleground every few years whenever the liberals got too uppity. In exchange for not getting to nominate their own king, they now got to be part of a true great power instead of a decaying husk of a state and kept more of their rights and liberties than they would have kept had they accepted liberalism. It's not hard to see this if you remove nationalist historiography and pop history from your mind and approach the Russian Empire as what it actually was as perceived by people in that era,

 

[SpergioLeonne]

They had plenty of choice, since they were high-ranking noblemen (Branicki and Potocki for instance were two of the wealthiest most powerful families in Poland-Lithuania) who often married Russian nobles and embarked on the same careers Russian noblemen did.

So Poland’s two most globohomo families were pro Russia, and vigorously supported the country that was still employing serfdom. Ok.

But then those Polish nationalists you dismissed as having irrelevant opinions, I wonder what they were doing? Surely, they must have also been orally polishing the borscht? Le non.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Legions_(Napoleonic_period)

But surely, all Poles of good conscience in the Second World War must have joined up with Ivan? After all it’s not like Russia and Nazi germany held a joint military parade in Poland, right?

No, a shit ton of Poles fucked all the way off through Syria en route to join the western allies and taught a pet bear to carry artillery shells to assist in invading Italy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Legions_(Napoleonic_period)

Also their government in exile was in Britain, officially, so the “Pro Russians” were installed. I wonder if anything like that ever happened before, like in a time where Russia controlled the flow of information?

 

[Ewan McGregor]

I like eastern europeans. They're crazy nihilists, yes, but their cynicism conceals a wide range of virtues long lost on the western man.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

So Poland’s two most globohomo families were pro Russia, and vigorously supported the country that was still employing serfdom. Ok.

But then those Polish nationalists you dismissed as having irrelevant opinions, I wonder what they were doing? Surely, they must have also been orally polishing the borscht? Le non.

The entire Commonwealth was "globohomo" since they had no concept of "nationalism" or even much in the way of religious violence since they were the most tolerant place in Europe for Jews at the time. Jews ran their manors and helped tax their serfs (like are you seriously implying that 18th century Poland, a place notorious for vast grain plantations and nobles who larped as Roman elites treating serfs as slaves, didn't have serfdom?).

But surely, all Poles of good conscience in the Second World War must have joined up with Ivan? After all it’s not like Russia and Nazi germany held a joint military parade in Poland, right?

No, a shit ton of Poles fucked all the way off through Syria en route to join the western allies and taught a pet bear to carry artillery shells to assist in invading Italy.

It is true that the first Polish communist government was disproportionately Jewish (worse than even the USSR under Lenin), but the Jewish element was greatly reduced by the end of the 50s. Incidentally, Marshal Rokossovsky, an ethnic Polish communist, was one of the leaders in postwar communist Poland.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Legions_(Napoleonic_period)

Also their government in exile was in Britain, officially, so the “Pro Russians” were installed. I wonder if anything like that ever happened before, like in a time where Russia controlled the flow of information?

I don't see how or why the fact that some Poles supported the Allies in WWII or supported liberalism/Napoleon in the 1790-1815 era is relevant. You're just quoting one facet of Poles who emerged because the pro-West side was dominant thanks to both Woodrow Wilson and his Anglo-French pets and the fact that the main conservative powers (Tsarist Russia, Austria Hungary, and the German Empire) all ceased to exist by 1918. It's not even considering that there were many factions in Poland in the 19th century, many of whom did not subscribe to the narrative of Polish history you are quoting from.

 

[AgendaPoster]

(Wikipedia has long had a Polish nationalist problem

I'd wish
How is that a problem in any way?
Why am I seeing right wingers moaning about nationalism, hmmm?

main conservative powers (Tsarist Russia, Austria Hungary, and the German Empire)

Multiculti muttpires are never conservative; bowing to a royal bloodline is cucked and despicable.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Ok dude, just like how a lot of Poles fought for the USSR in WW2, right? Meaning because they didn’t have a choice.

“they were just a little too conservative to like, do the whole communism thing. Minor detail! No problem, really. Besties for life”

Like wtf

Nigger one the USSR's best and most famous Generals was Polish and planned Operation Bagaration: Konstantin Rokossovsky/Konstanty Rokossowski. He was a Polish and Soviet officer who became a Marshal of the Soviet Union, a Marshal of Poland, and served as Poland's Defense Minister. He became one of the most prominent Red Army commanders of World War II. Now you may discount him because he was a committed socialist but that doesn't negate the fact that he was a Pole, and had a choice.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Nigger one the USSR's best and most famous Generals was Polish and planned Operation Bagaration: Konstantin Rokossovsky/Konstanty Rokossowski. He was a Polish and Soviet officer who became a Marshal of the Soviet Union, a Marshal of Poland, and served as Poland's Defense Minister. He became one of the most prominent Red Army commanders of World War II. Now you may discount him because he was a committed socialist but that doesn't negate the fact that he was a Pole, and had a choice.

Everyone has some traitors.

He was one of the best Soviet generals, but not one of the best Polish generals.

Again, look at what Napoleon got out of Polish cavalry when he left them alone with their own officers.

And as much as Americans love Gilbert Motier, aka Marquis de Lafayette, the biggest help we got in our revolution was from Tadeusz Kosciuszko.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Kościuszko

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Everyone has some traitors.

"Everyone who I disagree with is a traitor"

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

"Everyone who I disagree with is a traitor"

I mean, that was Stalin's mindset and it worked out pretty well for him all things considered.

 

[The Tall Man]

Russians, Ukrainians and others have created ghettos in their own countries

Imagine a country ruled by Jewish oligarchs, that's what you are looking at.
Russians are retards that are even more philosemitic than Burger Boomers.
That's why Russian propaganda always talks about how amazing they are because the fought the evil Nadsees and freed the poor lil Jews.
The Russian orthodox church might not be as globo homo as many western Churches, but they are very philosemitic.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

That's why Russian propaganda always talks about how amazing they are because the fought the evil Nadsees and freed the poor lil Jews.

That was pretty amazing. They sacrificed over 20 million lives and suffered devastation of 1/3rd of their economic base in order defeat an enemy whose intentions for Russians, Poles, and other Slavs were nothing but genocidal.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

@SpergioLeonne IDK if you're just trying to live up to your username or what, but why are you unfathomably ass-mad at Russia?

Are you from Latvia?

 

[The Tall Man]

That was pretty amazing. They sacrificed over 20 million lives and suffered devastation of 1/3rd of their economic base in order defeat an enemy whose intentions for Russians, Poles, and other Slavs were nothing but genocidal.

Das Right, if the noble USSR wouldn't have stopped the evil Germans and their lethal masturbation machines, the entire world would speak German now and be only populated with blonde blue eyed people.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

If you built the exact same city in somewhere like the Bahamas it wouldn't look as bad

*posts pics of Cuba*

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Das Right, if the noble USSR wouldn't have stopped the evil Germans and their lethal masturbation machines, the entire world would speak German now and be only populated with blonde blue eyed people.

No, they'd just murder all of the Slavs and exterminate their cultures in the conquered territories.

We could have had a glorious Reich led by corrupt drug addicts and drunks that protected and promoted child-rapists like Dirlewanger, what a terrible loss for humanity that they were defeated!

 

[The Tall Man]

No, they'd just murder all of the Slavs and exterminate their cultures in the conquered territories.

I am 1000% with you, those satanic Germans are known for their insatiable lust for genocide. I am not some uninformed idiot, I watched Schindler's List, Shoah and the Pianist, I know how these Germans are.

I mean look what they did in WW1.

They literally skewered multiple children on their bayonets and goose-stepped around, absolute savage.