What is really wrong with Russians and other Slavic groups of people?

berlinetta said:
I don't know about you, but I've visited Moscow, Saint Petersburg and Sochi, also Kiev, Warsaw and Zagreb.
I've felt way more safe walking around in those cities than shitholes like London,Paris, Rome or Barcelona.
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Most people I see talking shit about Eastern Europe have never lived or even visited it. There are rough parts, especially in the countrysides, but most of the cities you’d go to are modern and developed. I think St. Petersburg may be my favorite city in the world (tbh it does feel different from the rest of Russia).

Just taking the metro system for comparison, the DC metro was fucking constantly behind and ran every like 15 minutes. Forget the roving bands of young blacks causing problems at night on the green line. St. Pete? I had not one negative encounter, it ran on time, and came every like 2 minutes or something crazy like that.
 
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There is a noticeable lack of interest in public spaces and public affairs in majority Slavic countries and that might indeed have something to do with a short democratic tradition. Private spaces, in both literal and figurative sense, are generally managed better.
Spend some time with an average Eastern European family, listen to their conversations, see their home. Then move to an average British or American family. My guess is it wouldn't feel like a move in the direction of progress to most people.
 
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Beautiful Border said:
God, I hate when people do this, post pictures of run-down buildings as proof somewhere is a shithole. With Russia in particular they always use pictures of the same city, Norilsk.

If you look at where Norilsk is on a map, it's in the Arctic circle. Of course it's going to look a bit glum when it's built in a place where temperatures regularly dip below -20C and there is no daylight during the Winter. If you built the exact same city in somewhere like the Bahamas it wouldn't look as bad. People think Russian cities are depressing when it's actually Russian weather.
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Posters here will occasionally do the same thing with Sub-Saharan African cities. Sure, there are a lot of shitholes down there (not like most former African colonies had a great starting point after independence) but you also have pretty nice cities like Gabarone, Bulawayo, Kigali, George, Swakopmund, Windhoek, Accra and Nairobi.
 
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Sweetpeaa said:
I watched a video on youtube about a Russian teen who wanted to pursue modelling to support her family. Her family consisted of herself, her Mother and her sister and her father had drank himself to death. Many of the men in her village had died from alcoholism and left their families behind. The village she lived in looked like something out of the 15th century.
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Some of my paternal family left the Russian Empire in the early 20th Century, just my great grandfather and his own father. The latter went back for the rest of the family and wound up being conscripted into the Russian Army for WW1 and was killed in action. The rest of the family in Russia died of starvation thanks to Tsar Nicholas II's horrendous policies towards peasants, leaving great grandpa the only member left of his immediate family. The Bolsheviks took over the government then, and we all know about the millions of starved people that led to.

The cure was worse than the disease, and from what I understand most Slav countries are dealing with the problems in post-communist countries to this day. However, Poland seems to be in the best shape out of all of them from what I understand and are the most prepared country in Europe who can take on the Russian Army if they invade. Concerning Russian policy towards neighboring Slav countries, Ivan the Terrible was land-hungry and annexed Baltic regions and parts of Ukraine and Belarus in order to open up trade with the west. He also had domestic political rivals poisoned. Putin himself is a Romanov fanboy. Not much has changed in 500 years.
 
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Had to come back to this thread after watching Babylon AD.

Not the greatest movie but it's portrayal of eastern Europe is hysterical. Years and years into the future and Slavs are still living in rundown, post soviet 90's era ghettos while the rest of the world is hyper advanced. Vin Deisal plays an exiled American man stuck in eastern Europe and there's a scene of him walking down the street with slavs pumping their rap music, drinking alcohol and living in tents with run down buildings and graffiti everywhere. It just made me think of this thread and chuckle. He goes back to the U.S and it's hyper futuristic. Where's eastern Europe still looks like... eastern Europe.
 
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Long story short, Corruption, Crime, "The Transition to Democracy". Yugoslavia was in a shittier situation due to the war it had.
 
There are three major factors.

World war 1, world war 2, and a mix of communism and capitalism.

The mutts and allied scum bombed the place back to the middle ages twice.

Than there was communism that was wobbly, and than privatisation that had western companies coming in, buying everything from oligarchs and shutting the competition down, de-industrialising the place. And not building their own plants instead, giving rise to an unemployment crisis.

So now it is poor as hell.
 
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Here is Warsaw in 1945 IMG_6710.jpeg

Here is Warsaw today
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Maybe you’re a fucking idiot
 
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I'm a Crofag and the only big problems we have here are corruption, lack of cohesion on every level of society, and jew-tier greed.There's very little nigger-type crime such as rape and other violent crime.
Idk why Russians and Ukrainans are such savages. It's like they're a different breed of slav.
 
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allthewaydowntotheballbag said:
I'm a Crofag and the only big problems we have here are corruption, lack of cohesion on every level of society, and jew-tier greed.There's very little nigger-type crime such as rape and other violent crime.
Idk why Russians and Ukrainans are such savages. It's like they're a different breed of slav.
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My guess is the level of alcoholism. There’s drinking, and then there’s Russian “drink until you throw up or you’re a faggot, and keep drinking afterwards or we’ll fuck with you” drinking.

Radiation is also a possibility
 
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SpergioLeonne said:
and Slovakia, and Czechia, and Slovenia, etc etc etc

The rule of thumb that emerges is that the closer a Slav country was to the USSR, the worse off they are today. And I don’t mean geographically, but ideologically
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And more broadly how industrialized the country was prior to Communist rule and for how long it lasted.

Countries like Poland or Czechoslovakia had more infrastructure and industry built prior to to it being imposed on them and the duration of Communism was brief enough that there was a decently large chunk of the population that had experience and education in market economics/business management from the pre-Communist era.

In comparison virtually all of the industry and infrastructure in Russia and the rest of the USSR was built according to Communist planning which meant the vast majority of it was uneconomic and inefficient for competition in a capitalist system, and basically nobody was left alive who had any experience operating a business or making investment decisions in a market economy.
 
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Agamemnon Busmalis said:
And more broadly how industrialized the country was prior to Communist rule and for how long it lasted.

Countries like Poland or Czechoslovakia had more infrastructure and industry built prior to to it being imposed on them and the duration of Communism was brief enough that there was a decently large chunk of the population that had experience and education in market economics/business management from the pre-Communist era.

In comparison virtually all of the industry and infrastructure in Russia and the rest of the USSR was built according to Communist planning which meant the vast majority of it was uneconomic and inefficient for competition in a capitalist system, and basically nobody was left alive who had any experience operating a business or making investment decisions in a market economy.
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Yeah a good example is how Russia built rail with their own specs, and Ukraine is kind of fucked because their rail is Soviet spec and not compatible with western trains.

Also, Poles were unhappily occupied and hated Russians since the Duchy of Warsaw collapsed during Catherine the Great’s time. That’s what Chopin’s famous Funeral March is about, btw. Which also tangents into Poles having a very, very, distinct history of achievement and culture entirely separate from Russia.

Tito had a falling out with Stalin all the way back in the 1950’s and moved Yugoslavia closer economically to Western Europe.

Another piece is who actually rebelled against the USSR, who actually pushed for independence. Ceausescu was a disaster for Romania and Ukraine needed to be kicked out of the nest post-collapse. Not to delegitimize Ukraine as an independent nation, after all the holodomor happened, but they were so close to completely absorbed by Russia within the USSR that it was hard to tell the difference.
 
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Mongol rape babies, historical alcoholism that lead to fetal alcohol syndrome and other problems, lack of sun in some areas that lower their vitamin D, Rasputitsa that makes everything look shit, HIV, horrible architecture, horrible people, genocides, dictatorships, wars, it is all those things and more piling up into a complete disaster.
 
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Sweetpeaa said:
Years and years into the future and Slavs are still living in rundown, post soviet 90's era ghettos while the rest of the world is hyper advanced. Vin Deisal plays an exiled American man stuck in eastern Europe and there's a scene of him walking down the street with slavs pumping their rap music, drinking alcohol and living in tents with run down buildings and graffiti everywhere.
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Well the US won’t look that great, but the biggest problem here is that you lumped Slavs together with Russians.

There ARE cities, if you keep going east past Moscow, where it’s super shitty because the only reason a city could exist there was when the Soviets were managing the economy and they DECIDED these places should be where this or that thing happened.

Places like this ARE rubbly looking, decrepit and shit, but the people are more asiatic and sparse. Low population.
 
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