Science One in four who had Pfizer Covid jabs experienced unintended immune response - lol

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More than a quarter of people injected with mRNA Covid jabs suffered an unintended immune response created by a glitch in the way the vaccine was read by the body, a study has found.

No adverse effects were created by the error, data show, but Cambridge scientists found such vaccines were not perfect and sometimes led to nonsense proteins being made instead of the desired Covid “spike”, which mimics infection and leads to antibody production.

mRNA jabs, such as the ones created by Moderna and Pfizer, use a string of genetic material to tell the body to create a specific protein that safely imitates an infection.

Research in the field, spanning decades, had been slow work. It often stalled because RNA itself is often attacked by the body as a foreign invader.

But in 2023, the Nobel Prize for Medicine went to the pair of scientists who had spent years working to fix the problem. It was done by taking one of the RNA bases, uridine, and swapping in a very similar synthetic alternative.

This breakthrough allowed scientists to create proteins in the body without the immune system attacking the jab.

It allows for quick and precise vaccines that are highly effective and was the backbone of the Covid vaccine response.

Not a perfect fit​

It was thought the minor tweak to uridine caused no problems in cells, but a team of researchers at the University of Cambridge’s Medical Research Council (MRC) Toxicology Unit have now found when this partially synthetic code is read, the protein-making machine in the body sometimes struggles with the uridine analogues.

Because it is not a perfect fit for what is expected, there can be a momentary pause which causes the process to stutter and a letter in the code can get skipped, much like a bike slipping a gear.

This process, called frameshifting, throws out the way the code is interpreted as it relies on groups of three bases, known as codons, being read in the right order.

This issue, caused by the jab’s code, throws the process completely out of sync and the entire subsequent code becomes garbled.

In the case of the Covid jabs, the end result is a nonsensical and harmless protein, the team found, which the body attacks and leads to an immune system flare-up. The new study, published in Nature, found this occurred in around 25-30 per cent of people.

Rogue protein fear​

The vaccine is read well enough to create the strong protection against the coronavirus, the scientists say, but the frameshifting issue creates what was, until now, an unknown off-target effect.

The code relating to the Covid vaccines was harmless and no issues were created. However the team say that subsequent mRNA vaccines used for other diseases or infections could, in theory, lead to viable proteins being created that are active in the body.

In this scenario not only is the vaccine not making the right protein, it could lead to a rogue protein being produced.

There is no evidence of this occurring in the Covid jabs, the authors stress, and they say any trials on other mRNA therapeutics would detect any such problems in early stages.

Dr James Thaventhiran, senior author of the report, said: “Research has shown beyond doubt that mRNA vaccination against COVID-19 is safe. Billions of doses of the Moderna and Pfizer mRNA vaccines have been safely delivered, saving lives worldwide.”

The authors also found that there is an easy way to eradicate the frameshifting events which relies on changing the code of the mRNA drug to minimise the use of the problematic pseudo-uridine.

Replacing it with a natural base that when read as a trio still makes the correct amino acid is enough to stop the unwanted skips and therefore improve safety without sacrificing efficacy.

These findings were shared with medicines regulator MHRA around a year ago, the scientists say, and updated vaccines that use the improved form of mRNA are in the works for cancer jabs, and other therapeutics.

‘Revolutionary technology’​

“This technology is amazing and it’s going to be revolutionary as a new medicine platform for all sorts of things, but we’ve just made it a whole lot safer going forward,” Professor Anne Willis, co-senior study author and director of the MRC Toxicology Unit told reporters.

“Ribosomes are somehow sensing the modified RNAs, but the Covid vaccines are very, very safe and very, very efficacious.

“But there are decoding issues with this technology that can cause stalling and frameshifting and we can get cellular immunity to these peptides after vaccination.”

However, she adds it is very exciting that there is a way to fix the issue, which “massively de-risks this platform going forward”.

https://news.yahoo.com/more-one-four-had-mrna-171724613.html (Archive)
 
Quite a few of his posts are missing from this thread, so I checked @Manul Otocolobus. He quit and went to a cathedral hugbox. I should probably say he went back to one ...

How does this reddit autist have pages of profile posts? I have like 3 posts and 1 is Null scolding me. ... is it all just fucking cats?

The first post with the study was informative but I should have known it would just be a bunker from which to play his appeal to authority war game.
 
Quite a few of his posts are missing from this thread, so I checked @Manul Otocolobus. He quit and went to a cathedral hugbox. I should probably say he went back to one ...
I guess the SCIENCE! tm isn't true and factual enough to put a magnifying glass too.
 
The cheery tone of the BBC's coverage is driving me insane. Reads like Pravda. "We found a way to make this amazing safe effective vaccine even BETTER!!!" Not, "oh shit a weird thing happened that we didn't predict which could've given billions prion diseases."

The revolutionary messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) technology in some Covid vaccines given to millions of people could be fine-tuned for even greater accuracy, UK scientists say.

Genetic instructions in the jab could be tweaked to avoid a harmless tiny "slip" sometimes seen as the body reads the code, the Medical Research Council team suggest.

Existing mRNA vaccines are effective and safe, they say.

Future ones could fight more diseases.
It is the translation process in the ribosomes that can go slightly wrong, the researchers say.

The end result is still great protection - but there can be a few extra, unintended proteins made too.

Thankfully, these cause no physical issues, the researchers say, based on real-life evidence from the millions of people, including teenagers and children, vaccinated.
 
Whoever is writing this article needs to be shot for their lack of cohesion and improper word usage. That was so irritating to read.

And for all the blatant propaganda.

Alternating one line of reporting with another qualifier that EVERYTHING IS HARMLESS AND WE CAUGHT IT IN TIME AND OUR ORIGINAL TRIALS WERE SO RIGOROUS AND THE PRODUCT STILL WORKS GREAT.

I work with someone who has a real and honest case of Celiac disease, like "I've had to call an ambulance at least once for her" tier.

Celiac isn't really a disease that should send you to the ER in an ambulance. It's a slow burn disease with abdominal cramping, watery diarrhea, malabsorption and slow starvation. It also should go into complete remission with complete gluten avoidance.

I suppose abdominal cramping could be severe enough with gluten exposure to theoretically send you to the ER, but nothing should really be acute or life-threatening.

Anyone with repeated ambulance trips for celiac disease either has a poor understanding of what contains gluten or has something else going on.

Quite a few of his posts are missing from this thread, so I checked @Manul Otocolobus. He quit and went to a cathedral hugbox. I should probably say he went back to one ...

I suppose the disappearance of the cat avatar means they deleted their account?

That's too bad, they seemed alright in other threads.

They also seemed to be some sort of specialist MD, since they posted earlier in the thread about dumping annoying medical questions they can't be bothered to deal with on the poor overworked/underpaid primary care doc.

Edit: Wrote vigorous, meant rigorous.
 
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I hate how science is treated like a fucking religion.

There's always a debate on scientific findings, there HAS to be because times change and new discoveries are made all the time. Unfortunately, politics, news media and the IFUCKINGLOVESCIENCE redditors have used journals and studies as gospel to give themselves authority to make themselves feel superior and/or force others to comply because 'i'm right, you're dumb'. And as a result, anyone that witnessed that behavior based on claims that are bullshit are now dismissive of any scientific studies. Way to go, fuckers.

It's everywhere. Environmentalism, Psychology, Biology, you fucking name it it's all full of vipers who push sloppy studies and proclaim them as undeniable scripture. It's been happening long before Covid but that whole event has completely wrecked the public perception of the practice. God forbid an actual existence-threatening plague comes around in the future.
It's because that's what they're taught. You have several generations who are cucked by academia. What did you think generations of mandating children include a works cited page on every paper would lead to? Sure, it's good to not sound like an ass hole, but there was always going to be a point where worshipping scientific resources went too far. Free thought and individual ideas being purged from intelligent discussions was always going to be the end result. Maybe it was even the goal.

The reality is, it would be one thing if people were fapping over scientific studies. It would be one thing if people were cherry picking what they were presenting to support their narrative. We're past that point. We're at the point where people are so robbed of critical thinking skills, they can't even understand the studies they're pretending to read. Once that happens, you get today's society. We don't worship science. We worship the narrative they spew forth. Laziness, lack of critical thought, and willingness to believe science as a religion have all merged into one to create a system where truth is run by Academics. The Academics are holier than though and the system of academia is kept obscure to normies.

In reality, Academia is probably more corrupt than religion. What's the worst that happens from the Vatican? Maybe blatant scamming. Butt rape at worst. What's the worst scientists can do? Oh I don't know, wipe out the entire city of Hiroshima. Unleash global pandemics. Infect an entire global population with mandated state poison. The reality is, you have generations who screamed "THE SCIENTISTS SHOULD RUN THE GOVERNMENT". Okay, now the scientists run the government and we're facing total global permanent fascism over every aspect of our lives. Intellectuals ruin every society they get their hands on because they're autistic and retarded and can't handle being told they're wrong. They will ALWAYS fall to corruption and totalitarianism.
 
Celiac isn't really a disease that should send you to the ER in an ambulance. It's a slow burn disease with abdominal cramping, watery diarrhea, malabsorption and slow starvation. It also should go into complete remission with complete gluten avoidance.

I suppose abdominal cramping could be severe enough with gluten exposure to theoretically send you to the ER, but nothing should really be acute or life-threatening.

Anyone with repeated ambulance trips for celiac disease either has a poor understanding of what contains gluten or has something else going on.
I have celiac and it can be quite painful at times, but I've never had any sort of reaction that would require a hospital stay. It is possible extreme fluid loss or some very intense intestinal pain causing discomfort could maybe cause issues.


Interesting that the guy ejected not just from the conversation but the site as well. He also never responded to my post from Harvey Risch which had a rejection of basically everything he was talking about.
I like the phrase Cargo Cult Science from it.
Posting again for posterity
Conclusions
Many other instances of plausible scientific claptrap or bad science have occurred during the Covid-19 pandemic. As was seen with the retracted Surgisphere papers, medical journals routinely and uncritically publish this nonsense as long as conclusions align with government policies. This body of fake knowledge has been promulgated at the highest levels, by the NSC, FDA, CDC, NIH, WHO, Wellcome Trust, AMA, medical specialty boards, state and local public health agencies, multinational pharma companies and other organizations around the world that have violated their responsibilities to the public or have purposely chosen not to understand the fake science.
 
Quite a few of his posts are missing from this thread, so I checked @Manul Otocolobus. He quit and went to a cathedral hugbox. I should probably say he went back to one ...
Wow so the the guy firehosing MATI stickers turned out to be the maddest at the internet OF ALL. :story:

I wish him well wherever he decides to bring his condescending sciencesplaining.
 
Quite a few of his posts are missing from this thread, so I checked @Manul Otocolobus. He quit and went to a cathedral hugbox. I should probably say he went back to one ...
Did this thread really cause manul to ragequit kf? He even nuked his profile picture and locked profile replies, at least pretty sure that wasn't locked before.
 
In the case of the Covid jabs, the end result is a nonsensical and harmless protein, the team found, which the body attacks and leads to an immune system flare-up.
I'm pretty certain there's nothing the least bit harmless about immune system flare-ups.
I'm increasingly convinced J&J's vaccine was effectively shut down because they dared to deliver to spec - a prototype vaccine based on a new but recently used technology that wasn't very good, but was useful enough on a short-term EUA basis to prevent severe illness and death in highly vulnerable people.

It wasn't Pfizer mRNA mystery juice that apparently nobody but God understands what is in it, what it actually does, where and how it spreads or how it affects people long-term.

I imagine it didn't help them that the damn dirty Russians used the same viral vector approach for their own vaccine.


Nope, you're completely fine. Aside from significant differences between the viral vector vaccines like J&J or Sputnik V and the mRNA ones, in all cases the mortality and adverse effects drop to zero after about 180 days. Once you're past that point, everything has been cleared from your body without a doubt.

The only way you'll harm yourself going forward is if you "boost".
Funny how they want everyone boosted every six months...
How does this reddit autist have pages of profile posts?
Cute cat pictures. Yes, its that easy.
That's too bad, they seemed alright in other threads.
Agreed. I rather liked hearing their input since they were generally knowledgeable and well-informed. Just not about the clotshot, obviously.
 
I just noticed he even deleted his post where he gave a detailed explanation of the study mentioned in the OP. I'm taking the liberty of re-posting it since I luckily saved it before he DFE'd, since I thought it was such an informative post.

Ok, I'll give my breakdown of the study. First off, a little nomenclature and mechanism. Ψ in the
context of the study is pseudouridine. So 1-methylΨ should be read as 1-methylpseudouridine. The
typical bases used for mRNA encoding are adenine (A), cytosine (C), uracil (U), and guanine (G). In
mRNA Uracil (U) fills in for the thymine (T) that is used in DNA encoding. In order to stop the
immune system from destroying the mRNA right off the bat before it can be useful Pfizer substituted
1-methylΨ (Ψ) for Uracil (U).

mRNA is read in a series of "Frames" also known as Codons. Each frame consists of 3 bases, with
each codon encoding for a specific amino acid to be used in protein synthesis (with the exception of
the 3 base codes for "Start", "Stop", and a few other special commands). A frameshift is when the
frame for which 3 bases get grouped and read together for their 3 base code gets changed. In this
instance the type of frameshift they are talking about is when the mRNA reading mechanism sees 1-
methylΨ and had trouble reading it since it's not a standard uracil. In most cases the 1-methylΨ looks
and acts enough like a normal uracil that the mRNA reading mechanism doesn't really notice that it
isn't a proper uracil. But, every so often the mRNA reading mechanism sees the 1-methylΨ and
decides its crap. This is an expected behavior for the mRNA reading mechanism. Crap can be
randomly inserted into mRNA sequences, or the mRNA could have been created wrong, etc... so this
is normal behavior for the mRNA reading mechanism when it sees something other than a normal
base in the sequence. When this happens the mRNA reading mechanism will decide what its looking
at is crap and in a +1 frameshift will shift the groupings of the bases backwards by 1 when putting
together a frame. This is known as a +1 frameshift. This is a serious problem because all the future
frames it reads will be wrong. You can think of it like this using the sequence below:

CCAGAΨGGAA

Normally the sequence would be read like this:

CCA GAΨ GGA A...

But with a +1 frameshift we get:

...C CAG AΨG GAA

This won't impact the frame for CCA because its amino acid will already be in place, but the frames
beyond that will all be altered, coding for the wrong amino acids and the protein will come out with
the wrong sequence of amino acids, being an anomalous protein rather than the intended protein.
I want to stress that this study was done in a test tube and a cell culture for the first part, and mice in
the second part. At no point were actual humans used.

According to this study:
"1-methylΨ does not seem to affect codon misreading, but has been shown to affect protein synthesis
rates and ribosome density on mRNAs, suggesting a direct effect on mRNA translation"
One of the purposes of this study was to determine if this was indeed true. If it was, we should see
normal proteins, even if it is at a reduced rate. If it is incorrect, then we will see normal protein, but
we should also see frameshift +1 abnormal proteins in a significant quantity if the 1-methylΨ was
actually causing codon misreading.

As can be seen in figure 1, they did get mostly normal protein, but there was a significant quantity of
abnormal proteins that would only have occurred if there was a frameshift +1 mutation, proving that
1-methylΨ does indeed create the frameshift +1 reading frame alternation. You can think of this
experiment as a "proof of concept" it didn't involve anything having to do with the vaccine, but it was
meant to validate their base theory and methodology for determining if 1-methylΨ +1 frameshifting
was indeed possible and if it could happen in human cells, and both were proven to be true.
In the next part they used mice to determine if this carried over to actual living mammals, if the
abnormal proteins in question were generated by the actual Pfizer mRNA vaccine, and if they were
indeed immunogenic, meaning they elicited an immune response. I would like to stress that we make
screwed up proteins all the time, it's a matter of statistics that when making so many proteins a certain
amount are going to be crap. The body and the immune system have an entire protocol for dealing
with screwed up proteins and it is nothing out of the ordinary. It would be far more concerning if the
immune system ignored screwed up proteins and allowed them to build up.

In the experiment they were able to prove that the mice when immunized with the Pfizer mRNA
vaccine produced the abnormal proteins from the +1 frameshifting due to the 1-methylΨ and the
immune system identified it as a foreign protein and destroyed it. They were also able to demonstrate
that the immune reaction to the +1 frameshifting protein is not the result of just the COVID-19 spike
protein or even just COVID-19 vaccination since mice vaccinated with another COVID-19 vaccine,
specifically ChAdOx1, which was not an mRNA vaccine, did not have an immune reaction to the
abnormal frameshift +1 protein. This means that the other vaccine, ChAdOx1, which was not an
mRNA vaccine did not cause the production of the abnormal protein. while the mice that got the
mRNA vaccine did react to the presence of the abnormal protein. This demonstrated that the immune
cells from the mice vaccinated with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine had indeed seen the abnormal proteins
before as a result of their initial vacciantion.

The next part of the article demonstrates that the mistranslation that created the abnormal protein was
indeed from a +1 frameshifting mechanism and not due to another mechanism. You can think of this
section as being a double-check to show that what they thought was happening was indeed what
happened, and not something else. You usually have to do this in experiments because one of the first
things someone will ask after you have proven something is "Well, couldn't it be XYZ instead" and
unless you have confirmed it isn't another mechanism, your results will be questionable.
The section after that is them proving that it was the stalling of the translation process caused by 1-
methylΨ specifically that leads to the frameshift +1 mistranslation which created the abnormal
protein. Again, this is meant to validate their theory in the other direction. That not only was it from
+1 frameshifting, but it was specifically from the mechanism they proposed using 1-methylΨ and not
something else that could cause +1 frameshifting. This is also typically expected in an experiment
because again the first thing someone will ask is "Well, we know its a +1 frameshift, but couldn't that
have been caused by ABC instead" and unless you have proven that your mechanism is the most
likely explanation, people will question the validity of your results.

In the conclusion they talk about how the study proves that 1-methylΨ in mRNA vaccines causes +1
frameshifting, that the the abnormal protein is created in living mice from the Pfizer mRNA
vaccination, and that the immune system of the mice recognize the abnormal protein produced by the
Pfizer mRNA vaccine, which could be an issue for future uses of this mRNA technology.
One of the most important take away points from this study is the following:
"Although there is no evidence that frameshifted products in humans generated from
BNT162b2 vaccination are associated with adverse outcomes, for future use of mRNA technology
it is important that mRNA sequence design is modified to reduce ribosome frameshifting events, as
this may limit its future use for applications that require higher doses or more frequent dosing, such as
the in vivo production of hormones."
They make a salient point. The less off-target protein that is produced by a vaccination or other
medical products using this mRNA technology the better off everyone is since its entirely possible,
although extremely unlikely, that a rogue protein could be created if this technology was used in the
future for something else and it may not be an innocuous protein such as the abnormal protein
produced by this vaccination. I agree. They also propose another method that would work just as well,
but would drastically reduce the potential for abnormal protein production. That is obviously
something that needs to be investigated further.

For TL;DR people:

1. The experiment was done with test tubes, cells in dishes, and mice, not with people. Any data
generated from this experiment has to be extrapolated to human beings. So, this study provides
absolutely no information or proof of any harm created by any mRNA vaccination in any human
whatsoever.
2. They were able to prove that the Pfizer vaccine did indeed lead to a small, but significant amount of
deformed spike protein being generated in mice due to the mechanism they researched. They did
demonstrate that this is unique to the Pfizer mRNA vaccine as this immune response was not seen in
mice vaccinated with the ChAdOx1 vaccine.
3. The deformed protein was recognized by the mouse immune system and destroyed, just like every
other damaged protein in the body. The body has an entire system for getting rid of crap proteins. The
mouse immune system attacked and digested the deformed protein exactly like it handled the correct
spike protein. There was no evidence that the deformed protein produced any detrimental effect on the
mice.
4. "Although there is no evidence that frameshifted products in humans generated from
BNT162b2 vaccination are associated with adverse outcomes, for future use of mRNA technology
it is important that mRNA sequence design is modified to reduce ribosome frameshifting events, as
this may limit its future use for applications that require higher doses or more frequent dosing, such as
the in vivo production of hormones."

This study literally doesn't say anything about human response to the vaccine, or the human
immune response to the potentially malformed protein. The article in the OP is 100% complete
horseshit. They are attributing something to this study that it never said, and never intended to
say. It doesn't even involve humans.

Hopefully my breakdown of the actual study will remind everyone here, again, not to read clickbait
garbage and actually think it is worth more than something to read while wiping your arse.

If anything I wrote above is unclear, please feel free to ask, I will do my best to answer any questions.
 
“massively de-risks this platform going forward”.
Hi MINITRUE!

Lol remember when the prion angle was just drain todger conspiraposting two years ago? And now TPTB are admitting at least 25% of the Pfizer vax created misfolded proteins. Harmless ones, though! What a relief. If it were bad kind, millions of Americans would have signed their own death warrants.
@Drain Todger vindicated once again.

I just noticed he even deleted his post where he gave a detailed explanation of the study mentioned in the OP. I'm taking the liberty of re-posting it since I luckily saved it before he DFE'd, since I thought it was such an informative post.
That''s super informative and well-written. Maybe the glowies got him for stepping out of line.
 
I work with someone who has a real and honest case of Celiac disease, like "I've had to call an ambulance at least once for her" tier.

After she got the Jab her health divebombed for months to the point where she is still having issues that none of the doctors she has seen can fully treat.
Are you sure it's celiac and not Crohn's? Similar presentation but celiac doesn't usually progress as far because it can be completely controlled by cutting out gluten. Crohn's is idiopathic and can cause bleeding to the point where it requires hospitalisation or surgery.
 
On one hand, shiteating grin because I'm unvaxxed.
On the other, cold sweat and concern because my mother had two jabs. My father had three and passed away last year.
I work in the medical industry to a degree and the level of bullshit they throw at people is insane. It's not about helping people in pain anymore it's about selling them as much drugs as possible.

Honestly I would have been cool with it if they just let people choose but mandating things like this especially when it hasn't been researched properly and has only been out a couple of months is a bad idea.
 
nonsensical proteins are NOT harmless, in fact they can have very serious consequences, they're styraight up lying and just hoping everyone reading is too clueless to know
It's a foreign object in your body. That by definition is harmful. It doesn't have to be a prion, but many proteins are toxic and even reactions to seemingly benign proteins can cause harmful issues (see celiac disease).

I'm sorry but the blasé attitude people are having for this deserves the utmost ridicule.
 
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