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Battlefield2142EU said:
I hate to defend Hasbro, but anti-AI art is becoming a mindless witch hunt.
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You have a bunch of butt-hurt artists scared their man source of income Furry Fetish Art will be taken by computers. Once no one joins their draw streams, their ability to groom underaged fans will be removed.

Really the issue is less that its used as a tool and more that its being used as fire-and-forget. Some of the weirder bits of AI art could be fixed by competent artists, but they are lazy.

Artists are mad because their Cal-arts degrees are rendered worthless, everyone else is mad because AI art isn't quite there + general fears of AI.
 
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Sinner's Sandwich said:
Such a big company can afford someone to improve AI art.
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Ghostse said:
Really the issue is less that its used as a tool and more that its being used as fire-and-forget. Some of the weirder bits of AI art could be fixed by competent artists, but they are lazy.
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My favorite part of the whole glory of the giant's AI art controversy is Bigby not only advertising, he does AI art. He mainly does AI art. Niggas on YouTube and Twitter acting surprised an AI artist uses AI art.
 
Corn Flakes said:
Crafting and consumables are cool in concept, but for most games it's just another layer of bookkeeping that doesn't really add much outside of fairly plain bonuses.

What I'd like to see are more poison rules. Not just for combat, but for when you want to do very specific things on the down low. Not just killing, but also sleeping, plying people to make them suggestible, inducing/faking certain conditions, etc etc. Of course, for most fantasy games you'd also have to limit magical healing and/or detection otherwise the whole thing falls apart the moment a level 1 Cleric enters the room.
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I remember a long time ago making food and incorporating it to our game session. Like we eat haggis in game so I make haggis in real life. I just want an excuse to cook shit ok.

And I live for contrived bookkeeping like in PF2 so it makes sense. I don't want to keep track of EVERY little ingredient in game, but I also don't wanna pull out a +3 Greater Axiomatic Holy Keen Greatsword out some peasant's ass in alabamaberg. It keeps an inbetween of both shit in a way.

Also PF2 has a system for that with Injury/Contact/Digestible poisons while treating poison as a sort of disease via it's disease system.
 
Corn Flakes said:
What I'd like to see are more poison rules. Not just for combat, but for when you want to do very specific things on the down low. Not just killing, but also sleeping, plying people to make them suggestible, inducing/faking certain conditions, etc etc. Of course, for most fantasy games you'd also have to limit magical healing and/or detection otherwise the whole thing falls apart the moment a level 1 Cleric enters the room.
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Potion of Greater Antifreeze: gives you Bell's Palsy for 1d4 weeks.
 
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Battlefield2142EU said:
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No way! A faggy looking soy boy that gets upset over drawings of sexy women being in older Dungeons and Dragons books turns out to be GAY!? There's a reason why there is a stereotype of 5E players being dumb. This guy made multiple videos explaining Pathfinder, a game based on 3.5 D&D rules made to be similar to Dungeons and Dragons, like its new trivia. The Rules Lawyer is a public defender that has to live off Patreon and YouTube money because he said his public defender job doesn't pay much.
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Oh it’s not that he’s gay, it’s that he is a political activist for BAMN. By Any Means Necessary (BAMN) was in the national consciousness a few years back during the Berkeley protests. Radical left-wing activists.

I believe that he put that video out there because of clip of him at a pro-Palestine protest was doing the rounds online.

He seems rational. He knows his politics are radical and that it will upset some people. That’s a lot better than many other people in the hobby who will just scream bigot and the merest disagreement. Hopefully he doesn’t bleed his politics into his games.
 
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I hope more and more AI gets used in rpg books to make everyone seethe more. The kind of stupid shit I make in AI is something no one with any sense would ever pay for anyway. I've used it a lot for running games and sometimes weird unexpected results make me think of new bizarre ideas.

I'm also ready with a custom portrait for my dogmatic run in Rogue Trader thanks to AI, Chaos is going to get felted.

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Quintus said:
I think the biggest thing is to remain consistent within reason of course. People don't generally start acting differently whenever it's convenient for them.
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That's why I had my method of an index card box of NPCs with their basic characteristics, so if they eventually graduated to a recurring character, they'd have some known personality and wouldn't act inconsistently.

I almost always had a "character who always gives good advice and is emotionally stable, can carry a gun/sword/whatever and whose advice you disregard at your peril."

Sort of like Moorcock, I always gave this character the same name, or something similar. The Eternal Accountant.
 
Ghostse said:
Really the issue is less that its used as a tool and more that its being used as fire-and-forget. Some of the weirder bits of AI art could be fixed by competent artists, but they are lazy.
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Pretty much. A few touch-ups on the most noticeable problems (like hands) would go a long way. But these people can't even do that much.
 
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I hate to defend Hasbro, but anti-AI art is becoming a mindless witch hunt. When it is clear, AI is just going to be another tool for artists. How soon the industry just ignore the anti-AI Twitter talk talks? Not only wizards of the coast keep getting caught in using AI art. But they quickly replaced the AI art online with worse-looking hand drawn art. A good example, the glory of the Giants used AI art to create an alien dreamlike world. The AI got replaced with a cartoony art style that conflicts with the rest of the book. The giants were suppose to look weird and unnatural.
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I agree that the anti AI art is just mindless witch hunting but it was like that from day one, whats more a lot of the people opposing it aren't even artists meanwhile there are actual artists who are thrilled to have a program which spits out thousands of pics to use as references or inspiration, make backgrounds so they can focus on the characters, then there are the people proficient at photoshop who take the time to manually edit the pics and spend a lot of time tweaking the prompts.
Now the problem with WOTC, as someone has already said, is that they expect to use the pictures the machine spits out as is with no oversight from a human.
AI is not replacing writers/artists/programmers anytime soon, at most it will reduce the amount of people needed for the more mindless work
 
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I suspect that part of the backlash is due to the increasingly generic and unappealing art style that Wizards, Paizo, etc have come to favor. This shit is ugly and no one likes it, but AI has proven itself to be exceptionally good at cranking out mountains of the shit and that means publishers will stick with it indefinitely unless players put their foot down, although if they really want to turn things around they need to start purging meat artists who produce sketchy, muddy-colored, overly dynamic art, too.

It doesn't have to be all Errol Otis or experts in photorealism filling the pages of my game books, but at this point I would rather have Chris-Chan drawing a beholder blasting a hooked horror than some cheap and anonymous DeviantArt hack.
 
Is 1d4chan down again? Man what a fucking crapshot, I just wanna read some of the articles or greentexts.
Lately I have been kinda down since I csn't seem to find a decent site for rpg discussion (other than this thread but with the trannies at it again it will be a matter of time before the site is off the clearneat). Youtube keeps recommending me these channels that read ttrpg reddit posts and the posts are just atrocious: either bland, stupid or just plain toothless. Speaking of reddit, I went to the dnd 5e subreddit (dndnext) and oh boy I don't remember it being THIS BAD, half of the posts seem to be "DMs/Players of reddit what are some X that you did in Y" which just looks like they're trying to emulate or recreate the epic funny videos they just saw on youtube or maybe they're the content "creators" themselves trying to find new content. Rest of the threads are a combination of the topic of the week (firearms in fantasy, monk sucking, ranger sucking, etc) and very lukewarm takes.
My fault for browsing reddit yes, but it doesn't make me any less depressing that communities to discuss hobbies like this downright suck.
What decent TTRPG forums are still out there? GITP, ENworld, /tg/?
 
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BlazikenLover said:
AI is not replacing writers/artists/programmers anytime soon, at most it will reduce the amount of people needed for the more mindless work
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Show me anything AI ever generated that could compare to even the worst drawing of David A. Trampier.

And just to visualize, this is just a completely random DAT.
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Not even an iconic one.

AI is replacing this? Nope. I don't think so.
 
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Battlefield2142EU said:
anti-AI art is becoming a mindless witch hunt.
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For me the big problem with the witch hunt is when real artists get thrown under the bus because some sperg thought their art was AI when it wasn't. They don't back down, they just tell them to get a new art style, or deny that the art is real even if evidence is provided.

It's even funnier when anti-AI people post good AI art as real art, even if the tags on the original page clearly say it's AI. Or when they post that image of an aircraft with red dots all over it (survivor bias) as a gotcha, instead of applying that logic to their own beliefs.

It used to be called The Toupee Fallacy. People claimed they could always tell if someone is wearing a toupee, but the fact is they can only spot bad toupees. Good ones go unnoticed, and times they get it wrong are dismissed as outliers. It reminds me a lot of those people back in the day that would say they can tell a photoshop "because of the pixels".
 
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