Mega Man General Thread - Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection announced

[ShitLurker]

I enjoy the gameplay loops of all MegaMan, X and Zero games to one degree or another (though that weird mission system in Zero 1 never did it for me and I'm not too convinced Megaman translates well to a Metroidvania style as long as it's about quick and snappy action) but the narratives for the most part float over my head. When I was a kid I thought Zero was cool (and a girl...) and when you could play him on X3 I thought that was the coolest shit ever and in X4 I preferred the saber playstyle, though not sure if it was because it was fresh or I legitimately prefer it.

Basically, I got suckered by Inafune's OC from a mechanical standpoint, but the story is anime wankery at it's wankeriest. Zero I played through all 4 and was pretty much a mess and after playing Gunvolt 1 (and having zero desire to stick with it since I never got comfortable with how Gunvolt played mechanically) I can only assume that is the apex of Inti creates writing.

I wouldn't mind a new X, or Zero or XYZ or Pi or whatever game with the same ol formula, but I perfectly understand as well why nobody wants to do it and why some characters also fall on "not worth it". I also fail to imagine how much damage the gatcha must have done attracting coomers and retards into the fandom.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Well, Mega Man 11 also had the gigantic advantage that those games barely have anything that could be called a plot.

True, but X wasn't super heavy on story either (especially initially), it's second place for story-takes-a-backseat, every other MM series has more emphasis on it aside from the Classic series.

the plot is convoluted shit when it hits 8, and that's ignoring what the Zero series establishes AND that 8 ended with a cliffhanger. How the hell are you supposed to follow that up? You are either already shackled by all the random lore floating around or you go "fuck it, reboot" which in this case I'd honestly go for the later

Me too, especially since it wouldn't even have the same writers on board anyway. Better to retell X1 as-is, but feature an epilogue that makes it clear that sequels will be going with a new story. They can even have a canonical reason for it in order to hand wave criticism, like some kind of alternate universe/time travel shenanigans.

I also think MM12 should bridge the gap between MM & MMX, finally clearly showing what happened before MMX and after the MM series.

Mega Man is a great mascot, but the fucker doesn't move units

I'm pretty sure it does, doesn't it? Especially considering how profitable they must be despite sales not being incredible. The first 5 MM sequels are essentially ROM hacks, development resources were probably greatly reduced thanks to that. That's probably largely the case with the first 3 MMX games and all of the rest of the series aside from Legends, to a lesser extent. It's much different an building an entire game from the ground up each time, which is probably why gaming in general is so sequel heavy.

Mega Man is especially (relatively) simple to make these days, it essentially only requires an indie tier budget, and MM11 can serve as the blueprint going forward. Even if MM12 only pushed 1m units that'd still be a huge profit margin due to how little investment is required. I'm baffled they haven't already made another game tbh.

I also fail to imagine how much damage the gatcha must have done attracting coomers and retards into the fandom.

At worst that would probably only influence the designs and story but not the gameplay, and at least I presume Dive isn't woke, so we should count our blessings. We could instead have Nigger Man and Tranny Woman rather than coomer retard pandering.

 

[ShitLurker]

True, but X wasn't super heavy on story either (especially initially), it's second place for story-takes-a-backseat, every other MM series has more emphasis on it aside from the Classic series.

Not in the early days it wasn't, but X4 changed that and it just went up and up and up from there.

Me too, especially since it wouldn't even have the same writers on board anyway. Better to retell X1 as-is, but feature an epilogue that makes it clear that sequels will be going with a new story. They can even have a canonical reason for it in order to hand wave criticism, like some kind of alternate universe/time travel shenanigans.

I also think MM12 should bridge the gap between MM & MMX, finally clearly showing what happened before MMX and after the MM series.

Yeah, the "old plot line" should be buried and ignored definitely. I'm all for a full on reboot even with new mavericks and different stakes. I'd even go a step further and keep it simple as well to not end up in convoluted land like the Zero games. MM classic I rather kept itself away from X though, I don't feel the need to get them properly tied up.

I'm pretty sure it does, doesn't it? Especially considering how profitable they must be despite sales not being incredible. The first 5 MM sequels are essentially ROM hacks, development resources were probably greatly reduced thanks to that. That's probably largely the case with the first 3 MMX games and all of the rest of the series aside from Legends, to a lesser extent. It's much different an building an entire game from the ground up each time, which is probably why gaming in general is so sequel heavy.

Mega Man is especially (relatively) simple to make these days, it essentially only requires an indie tier budget, and MM11 can serve as the blueprint going forward. Even if MM12 only pushed 1m units that'd still be a huge profit margin due to how little investment is required. I'm baffled they haven't already made another game tbh.

I imagine they were system sellers in the Nintendo and early SNES era, but around the PSX days I can only imagine numbers went down. I don't expect them to be particularly expensive either, but I don't think they do gangbusters either. Megaman 11 sold VERY good but I imagine a part of that was just the hunger for new Mega Man and as a way to mock Inafune for being a faggot, I don't think a Mega Man 12 would reach millions. But an installment every 2 years or so would keep me more than happy and you are right that it should be a mid tier game that gets some change in the coffers.

At worst that would probably only influence the designs and story but not the gameplay, and at least I presume Dive isn't woke, so we should count our blessings. We could instead have Nigger Man and Tranny Woman rather than coomer retard pandering.

Nigger Man already exists



He's a good boy that didn du nuffing

But yeah, the problem is once you get the deranged types to pay attention to a franchise, they scream a lot and generate fake interest. We have seen this shit pan out a thousand times, so I rather ol Rock Man stay niche for as long as possible.

 

[Super Guido]

It really has to be understood just how ridiculous Inafune is, and there is no better way to do that than to show that with my Christmas gift to the thread: A comic he made for his Beastroids NFT project back in October.

https://minnapad.com/beastroid-en-1/

You will literally see multiple derivations of Zero's body parts in different combinations on the same panel. What Inafune is doing is almost Sonichu tier.

Enjoy, if ironically.

Hahaha, holy shit. Subtlety has never been his strong suit, has it? The writing is shit, too.

 

[X Prime]

But yeah, the problem is once you get the deranged types to pay attention to a franchise, they scream a lot and generate fake interest.

Yeah. This is an especially noxious phenomenon with the Inti games. Those fans are loud and extremely active on Twitter, but MMZ/ZX Collection's sales were in the absolute toilet.

At least Star Force fans are usually willing to admit their subseries is the unloved bastard child.

Not in the early days it wasn't, but X4 changed that and it just went up and up and up from there.

The issue here is the thing you said earlier, how things became convoluted and too anime. Lures in the LightDragonman types.

The actual reason X8 becomes so convoluted is because there's no driving goal where it used to have one, so they were scrambling around. Remember, X4 was not something most in Capcom wanted made. A lot of the changes in X4 and 5 had an obvious ulterior motive in retrospect, even the fact that there needed to be a new sprite compression scheme.

For example, Dr. Light suddenly being able to have conversations, and then suddenly stopping after 6. Most fans notice the change but don't connect the dots by noticing who the doc has all his two-way conversations with before that character gets his own series and all his X-era subplots dropped. See related: Dr. Cain disappearing.

Maverick Hunter X seemed to be changing things significantly; for example; it wasn't Zero who gouged Sigma's eyes and the virus plotline seems to have poofed. The problem is of course whether Inafune would really have been able to keep his Zero boner contained, as well as the fact he had the brilliant idea to put it on PSP of all things.

Hahaha, holy shit. Subtlety has never been his strong suit, has it? The writing is shit, too.

It's pretty clear from X4 having a bunch of anime cutscenes, Day of Sigma, the Red Ash thing, and now the Beastroids thing the guy thinks he's some kind of auteur and just wants to make an anime franchise.

 

[Super Guido]

It's pretty clear from X4 having a bunch of anime cutscenes, Day of Sigma, the Red Ash thing, and now the Beastroids thing the guy thinks he's some kind of auteur and just wants to make an anime franchise.

We don't even mention MN9 now, eh?

 

[X Prime]

We don't even mention MN9 now, eh?

Oh right, didn't he say he wanted to make it this whole big thing before the game was even out?

It's like how Kojima wanted to be a Hollywood guy, but somehow even more banal.

 

[Super Guido]

Oh right, didn't he say he wanted to make it this whole big thing before the game was even out?

It's like how Kojima wanted to be a Hollywood guy, but somehow even more banal.

Yeah he wanted to make a cartoon for MN9. Dude seems to have a habit of counting his chickens before they hatch.

 

[X Prime]

Yeah he wanted to make a cartoon for MN9. Dude seems to have a habit of counting his chickens before they hatch.

I mean, he did publish a book with himself on the cover before MN9 deservedly killed his reputation for good. Alongside subtlety, humility was not his strong suit.

 

[Super Guido]

I mean, he did publish a book with himself on the cover before MN9 deservedly killed his reputation for good. Alongside subtlety, humility was not his strong suit.

Somehow I missed that, but it's not surprising.

 

[X Prime]

Somehow I missed that, but it's not surprising.

https://twitter.com/Kobun20/status/1249190206479179782

Here you go. My mistake, it was multiple books.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Nigger Man already exists

Oil Man's colors were infamously changed in the US release specifically because he wasn't meant to be black and they thought people in the US would just immediately assume he was. (which they did upon seeing his original color scheme)
I mean he IS black so...

He's a good boy that didn du nuffing

He's unironically the most based character in powered up.

-Gets kidnapped and reprogrammed to help wily take over the world, seemingly shits around processing oil in the desert as his original job was instead of commanding terrorist armies or causing shit to go haywire in his region.

-Has an extremely context specific weapon ability that's got a severe difficulty curve and is extremely broken if mastered.

-Alternate timeline where he was the robot left behind by Wily he straight up is the only character to intentionally insult the fucking YELLOW DEVIL in his own fucking nonsense language instead of reacting in shock or confusion to the yellow bastard showing up and going "BUMBMOMOMOMO"

For some reason in licensed media the last few years that includes him they frame him less as Slick laid back coolguy and more sorta menacing edgelord mercenary or something which is odd to me given his entire shtick is "slick because oil haha"

 

[X Prime]

There's a very consistent problem of later licensed works with characters in this overall franchise either hyperfocusing on one bit or reinventing them completely. Given Oil Man basically being Jynx'd it's not shocking he would fall victim to it.

 

[LightDragonman1]

The issue here is the thing you said earlier, how things became convoluted and too anime. Lures in the LightDragonman types.

What do you mean by that exactly?

Though it is pretty funny to me how petty Inafune was even before his later years at Capcom. At least with Zero, the character and the series he starred in was of a genuinely good quality, to the point that him being emphasized over X I didn't really have a problem with.

Course, we all know how everything went after that. And looking at his Beastroids design, he's still attempting to chase that high he once had.

 

[Level99Manchild]

It really has to be understood just how ridiculous Inafune is, and there is no better way to do that than to show that with my Christmas gift to the thread: A comic he made for his Beastroids NFT project back in October.

https://minnapad.com/beastroid-en-1/

You will literally see multiple derivations of Zero's body parts in different combinations on the same panel. What Inafune is doing is almost Sonichu tier.

Enjoy, if ironically.

Conman at it again. I don't know what's the sadder: the horrendous art or the blatant rip-offs of the X characters? Those Beastroids look absolutely terrible. Man, this guy really fell from grace, and I still can't believe people respect him after all the shit he's done. The fucker even copy-pasted a few panels.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

ReploidREVO (Archive) is being canceled on twitter. exciting! allegations have come forth about him being a groomer and rumblings about loli | Archive




here's him following a loli artist, and liking comments about shipping roll and tron (both 14, as a reminder, and visibly so even on the ps1) and then uh... yeah.
Take all these with a grain of salt as it's all sourced from twitter, so it's as reliable as that sounds.

Spoiler: weird behavior

he has also been called a homophobe for things he said over 10 years ago and a transphobe who apparently drove off his tranny wife | (Archive 1) (Archive 2)

Spoiler: the homophobia

allegations of grooming from someone with picture evidence; twitter user SuperAllyYT shows him flirting with her while she was 17. | Archive

Spoiler: in-depth images from the thread

didn't see this one coming, but apparently this is a somewhat known thing in the community? at least people on twitter are making like it is, i'm out of the loop on shit like this.

 

[X Prime]

I can confirm that the "commissioning art of his underage OC getting blown by Alia" part was known for years but rarely talked about. There was just no public evidence that Revo himself actually commissioned that until those details moved it squarely into the "extremely likely" column.

What makes this whole situation "fun" is two things.

One, his Discord server is full of minors.

Two, he is infamous for very recently making a "list of demands" video I think I posted here.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Funny thing is what's most likely to get him cancelled among all that is him being a homotrannyphobe.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

I'm not surprised by any of this, dude has always come across to me as a cringey weirdo autist and all this coming out shocks me not one bit
what does shock me is him having right leaning viewpoints and being a whatever phobe, fully expected this dude to be the usual type
regardless this dude's career is done for and why people in the quote retweets are shocked that a online content creator is a freakshow when this type of dance has been seen so many times is beyond me

 

[Van Darkholme]

Oil Man's colors were infamously changed in the US release specifically because he wasn't meant to be black and they thought people in the US would just immediately assume he was. (which they did upon seeing his original color scheme)
I mean he IS black so...

In the Archie comics they just covered his big, fat nigger lips with a scarf the whole time.
But they can't fool me, I know a nigger when I see one. He also sort of talks like one in the comic.