Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Golly Bo-Bolly]

Im so sick of many modern cartoons redeeming their big bad and then pulling out an even bigger bad last minute

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Im so sick of many modern cartoons redeeming their big bad and then pulling out an even bigger bad last minute- usually done by the same types like Dana Terrace or Noelle Stevenson

Based on what Viv was saying in the Pan Pizza interview, I at least expected Alastor to be redeemed since that's the whole show's theme, and they were probably saving him for last as a "See, even the evilest of the evil can be redeemed :3", but to pull a double-whammy like this? Even 2010s Disney wouldn't go this far.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Based on what Viv was saying in the Pan Pizza interview, I at least expected Alastor to be redeemed since that's the whole show's theme, and they were probably saving him for last as a "See, even the evilest of the evil can be redeemed :3", but to pull a double-whammy like this? Even 2010s Disney wouldn't go this far.

I at least expected that if Alastor wasn't there for some sinister ulterior motive, he really was there to get a laugh at the expense of other people trying and failing to be better people if not get redeemed into Heaven, but instead he's there to protect Charlie or something (Isn't that what Razzle and Dazzle are for? Why the fuck does Lilith even trust Alastor!?), making him just an outright good guy right from the start. I don't want to believe the leak because it sounds completely awful even by Viv standards, but there's too many little details that match from other confirmed leaks like the audition sheets, the mysterious and ominous looking Lilith card, old forgotten stuff from Viv, and even a line about "the root of evil" in the murder family episode of Helluva.

Don't be surprised if the whole imposter crap is revealed right at the end of season 2 as a cliffhanger and ploy to get another season, only for Hazbin to be cancelled and relegated to "What went wrong" retrospectives.

 

[King Metalia]

Im so sick of many modern cartoons redeeming their big bad and then pulling out an even bigger bad last minute- usually done by the same types like Dana Terrace or Noelle Stevenson

I know right. Just once I'd like to see a main character choose evil in the end over good.

 

[Cave Fisher]

Once again, grain of salt, but potentially huge spoilers for Hazbin regarding the big bad.

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No yeah, that makes total sense, maybe not concrete, but-

I fully believe this, because there's two huge things going for it.

Spoiler

"Root" exists, but she is an extremely obscure character who hasn't shown up yet and was called Roo.
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"Surprisingly motherly to Charlie"
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Fuuuuuuuuuck (Maybe this is why Alastor says "time to show them why I'm really here" or some shit in the trailer)

 

[NSJAP]

No, I pulled it from chaifootsteps’ Tumblr. They claim the source is extremely reliable.

https://www.tumblr.com/chaifootsteps/738017334379347968/potential-spoilers-for-literally-all-of-hazbin

As for my two cents, I have to agree that this sounds both highly possible and convoluted as fuck.

Edit: Further proof, not looking good.
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Have that source said anything about firing via zoom?

 

[Alter Ego]

I at least expected that if Alastor wasn't there for some sinister ulterior motive, he really was there to get a laugh at the expense of other people trying and failing to be better people if not get redeemed into Heaven, but instead he's there to protect Charlie or something (Isn't that what Razzle and Dazzle are for? Why the fuck does Lilith even trust Alastor!?), making him just an outright good guy right from the start. I don't want to believe the leak because it sounds completely awful even by Viv standards, but there's too many little details that match from other confirmed leaks like the audition sheets, the mysterious and ominous looking Lilith card, old forgotten stuff from Viv, and even a line about "the root of evil" in the murder family episode of Helluva.

Don't be surprised if the whole imposter crap is revealed right at the end of season 2 as a cliffhanger and ploy to get another season, only for Hazbin to be cancelled and relegated to "What went wrong" retrospectives.

Yeah, it's difficult to judge the effect of this likely plot reveal on characters that we haven't even been properly introduced to yet, but it sounds like a major disservice to Alastor and the intrigue people have in him to say that his antagonism towards Charlie is a lie along with taking away some of his agency by making him a secret agent of someone else.

I also hope this doesn't mean that Viv intends to ship Alastor with Rosie and turn him into a father figure for Charlie, which immediately sounds less appealing than shipping with Charlie.

 

[The Fair Lady]

Have that source said anything about firing via zoom?

I don’t know what else they’ve told Chai, just what’s been posted in these screenshots.

 

[Cave Fisher]

What I don't get, is how are you gonna have a story with a character that's the root of all evil, while having Lucifer, who's supposed to be exactly that, in the same show?

 

[The Nothingness]

What I don't get, is how are you gonna have a story with a character that's the root of all evil, while having Lucifer, who's supposed to be exactly that, in the same show?

Probably because Viv is part of the Tumblr generation that made Lucifer into a uwu boi who did nothing wrong to get back at their parents for taking them to church on Sunday and the 2000s era evangelical Republicans. I will take a wild guess and say that this "root of all evil" character will be the actual tree of the knowledge of good and evil from the Old Testament that causes Lucifer to trick Eve into eating the fruit or tricks Eve and Lucifer takes the blame.

Here's the thing when it comes to making an ultimate evil that's higher than the Devil/Lucifer/Satan. It's hard to pull off and the only it seems to work if you go the Lovecraftian route. A prime example would be the John Carpenter film, Prince of Darkness, where Satan is a mysterious green liquid hidden for centuries and is the child of an "Anti-God", who resides in the antimatter realm.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Probably because Viv is part of the Tumblr generation that made Lucifer into a uwu boi who did nothing wrong to get back at their parents for taking them to church on Sunday and the 2000s era evangelical Republicans.

Here's my two cents: You know that episode of South Park where the anti-smoking activists were so lame that it made the kids want to smoke? I think something similar happened with Christianity during the turn of the millennium and into the 2000s. The boomers of the day made this concentrated effort to make Christianity into a "kids" thing, even if it wasn't intended on their part. I imagine at least a few of you will think of that kind if imagery when the topic of Christianity is brought up.

The big problem is that it took something that was supposed to be universal and created an age ghetto. And it's from that newly formed age ghetto that gave rise to fedora atheism. Whether it was the edgy countercultural 90s kids, the founding members of Something Awful, or the Tumblrites that favored sexual "progress" and liberation from religion, some of this could've been prevented if the boomers had wisened up just a little. Just sayin'.

And of course, you have Rappin' for Jesus, which may very well be a straight-up parody of the Christian Boomer mindset.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Here's my two cents: You know that episode of South Park where the anti-smoking activists were so lame that it made the kids want to smoke? I think something similar happened with Christianity during the turn of the millennium and into the 2000s. The boomers of the day made this concentrated effort to make Christianity into a "kids" thing, even if it wasn't intended on their part. I imagine at least a few of you will think of that kind if imagery when the topic of Christianity is brought up.

The big problem is that it took something that was supposed to be universal and created an age ghetto. And it's from that newly formed age ghetto that gave rise to fedora atheism. Whether it was the edgy countercultural 90s kids, the founding members of Something Awful, or the Tumblrites that favored sexual "progress" and liberation from religion, some of this could've been prevented if the boomers had wisened up just a little. Just sayin'.

And of course, you have Rappin' for Jesus, which may very well be a straight-up parody of the Christian Boomer mindset.

It's like what I and a few other people on here have said: the fundies, evangelicals, and "christian boomers" of the 80s, 90s, and 00s are at least partially to blame for the rise of the woke left.

And what makes the woke left so irritating is that wokists refuse to understand that the 2000s are long over, they are no longer under the thumb of their parents, and it's doubtful that those religious loons had any real institutional power in the first place.

Now the woke left are in the same position as those christian boomers, the difference being that they actually have institutional power. And thus they cause unbelievable amounts of damage to popular media, on a scale that Jack Thompson could only dream of.

 

[AnOminous]

Now the woke left are in the same position as those christian boomers, the difference being that they actually have institutional power. And thus they cause unbelievable amounts of damage to popular media, on a scale that Jack Thompson could only dream of.

This is what you get when "FUCK YOU DAD" is literally your religion. Then you're put in charge.

There's nothing more insufferable than an establishment pawn who thinks he's fighting the establishment. You ARE the establishment you moron, just the lowest, dumbest form of it!

 

[King Metalia]

This is what you get when "FUCK YOU DAD" is literally your religion. Then you're put in charge.

There's nothing more insufferable than an establishment pawn who thinks he's fighting the establishment. You ARE the establishment you moron, just the lowest, dumbest form of it!

If it wasn't so infuriating I'd consider laughing that the idiots saying fuck you dad are infact dads themselves.

 

[Guysho]

 

[AnOminous]

If it wasn't so infuriating I'd consider laughing that the idiots saying fuck you dad are infact dads themselves.

Except they're "dads" who will never ever have offspring, for which we thank either the Creator or just evolutionary reality.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

It's like what I and a few other people on here have said: the fundies, evangelicals, and "christian boomers" of the 80s, 90s, and 00s are at least partially to blame for the rise of the woke left.

This is true. Christians were OBNOXIOUS in the 90s with their messaging and push. Not sure how it was like for US families but everything was called satanic this, satanic that... Video games were evil; rock music was evil; harry potter and tolkien was satanic, people just had enough.

And what makes the woke left so irritating is that wokists refuse to understand that the 2000s are long over, they are no longer under the thumb of their parents, and it's doubtful that those religious loons had any real institutional power in the first place.

That's not true. Many christians held positions of power and could fire you for saying edgy stuff against Christianity, pretty much like pc culture is now, just not as widespread.

But they DID have a huge control over the media and certain institution. Don't memoryhole it.

It's the pendulum swinging in the other side, before it was christians crying sayan, now its lgbts crying homophobia...

 

[FatalTater]

This is true. Christians were OBNOXIOUS in the 90s with their messaging and push. Not sure how it was like for US families but everything was called satanic this, satanic that... Video games were evil; rock music was evil; harry potter and tolkien was satanic, people just had enough.

The 1980s were the biggest time for "Satanic Panic" in the US from what I recall. By the time the 90s happened most folks who were becoming adults started looking around and realizing that their parents had been batshit crazy for seeing "Satan" everywhere. It made for a bit of edgy comedy and art before Political Correctness took over everything.

If somewhere in the Hazbin universe there are some occupants of Hell that worship Mike Warnke as the biggest and best liar of all time as well as the only guy willing to completely base the comedy part of his bullshit on stolen Gallagher material and still show his face in public?
I might regain a tiny bit of respect for Vivzie. Maybe.

 

[AnOminous]

This is true. Christians were OBNOXIOUS in the 90s with their messaging and push. Not sure how it was like for US families but everything was called satanic this, satanic that... Video games were evil; rock music was evil; harry potter and tolkien was satanic, people just had enough.

A bunch of these faggots tried to shut down our high school D&D club. That was the '80s. Honestly fuck those faggots, anyone nostalgically thinking they were worth shit should go choke on Satan's cock.

 

[Beautiful Border]

A bunch of these faggots tried to shut down our high school D&D club. That was the '80s. Honestly fuck those faggots, anyone nostalgically thinking they were worth shit should go choke on Satan's cock.

They should've shut you down for being a bunch of nerds, not because it's satanic