Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[JokahBaybee]

I'd have to disagree on her designs being that good. Sure, Stolas and Stella look great if you ignore anything about their personalities whatsoever, but frankly those two are exceptions. When you look at the actual IMPs, who were the main character before Stolas' ass and cloaca showed up, they don't really have a lot of personality with their outfits, they all have the exact same color scheme and blend together when they stand too close, sure you can try to guess their personality from their expressions on their renders, but you'd never know they were a squad of hitmen.

Blitzo looks less like a goofy, horse loving assassin who used to be a clown, and more like an 11 year old school shooter with that black duster of his and the fucking eyeballs on his gloves, why does he have those? Moxxie looks like a butler, and Millie wears the most boring clothes in the series, holy shit her design is bad, literally everything about her entire theme of southern assassin demon is done better by Striker, who's also one of the few good designs.

did you see the designs i did earlier in the thread?
they might tickle your fancy a little more

 

[JokahBaybee]

Figured I might as well post this short little song i made here since I can't really share it anywhere else hope you enjoy lol
https://litter.catbox.moe/7cef5a.mp3

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Figured I might as well post this short little song i made here since I can't really share it anywhere else hope you enjoy lol
https://litter.catbox.moe/7cef5a.mp3

Holy crap, I recognize the music.

It's a parody of Strong Bad is a Bad Guy.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Probably because Viv is part of the Tumblr generation that made Lucifer into a uwu boi who did nothing wrong to get back at their parents for taking them to church on Sunday and the 2000s era evangelical Republicans. I will take a wild guess and say that this "root of all evil" character will be the actual tree of the knowledge of good and evil from the Old Testament that causes Lucifer to trick Eve into eating the fruit or tricks Eve and Lucifer takes the blame.

Here's the thing when it comes to making an ultimate evil that's higher than the Devil/Lucifer/Satan. It's hard to pull off and the only it seems to work if you go the Lovecraftian route. A prime example would be the John Carpenter film, Prince of Darkness, where Satan is a mysterious green liquid hidden for centuries and is the child of an "Anti-God", who resides in the antimatter realm.

Yeah like if you’re going to take the route of having something more evil than the Devil, the best method would be to take the Eldritch route, hell if you want to you could easily use some of Lovecraft’s creations. But given Lucifer in Hazbin is likely a twink, it probably is very easy to be more intimidating than him.

Honestly with his design, would’ve been cool if he looked more monstrous which would make a neat contrast to Charlie.

Here's my two cents: You know that episode of South Park where the anti-smoking activists were so lame that it made the kids want to smoke? I think something similar happened with Christianity during the turn of the millennium and into the 2000s. The boomers of the day made this concentrated effort to make Christianity into a "kids" thing, even if it wasn't intended on their part. I imagine at least a few of you will think of that kind if imagery when the topic of Christianity is brought up.

The big problem is that it took something that was supposed to be universal and created an age ghetto. And it's from that newly formed age ghetto that gave rise to fedora atheism. Whether it was the edgy countercultural 90s kids, the founding members of Something Awful, or the Tumblrites that favored sexual "progress" and liberation from religion, some of this could've been prevented if the boomers had wisened up just a little. Just sayin'.

And of course, you have Rappin' for Jesus, which may very well be a straight-up parody of the Christian Boomer mindset.

The worst part is that those same boomers haven’t learned their lesson as evangelicals have made Christianity something boring and preachy that turned it into soap boxing. It’s going to be awhile till this tarnished image could improve.

Hell I’m not really religious myself, and know there’s a lot of stuff with Christianity that could appeal to everyone and make people think it’s actually pretty cool. I feel so bad for the Christians that these boomers have not only ruined the image of their religion, but have produced cringey people like Vivziepop.

 

[The Fair Lady]

Song is generic as fuck, both in sound and lyrics.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

While Michael Kovach singing "No Girl's Toy" as Jax wasn't a mindblowing singing performance or anything, it was at least more fun to listen too and had more charm to it compared to this song which sounds like every generic pop song. Vivzie really just picked worst actors cause "MUH BROADWAY"

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Song is generic as fuck, both in sound and lyrics.

This is very likely going to be the same for all the other songs. They're not terrible but they're not good nor memorable, they're just average and generic.

I'm not going to pretend that Addict and Inside of every demon is a rainbow were perfect, but both those songs are significantly better than Poison or Happy day in Hell, and the visuals of Inside of every Demon are significantly better and unique than Happy day on top of that, which is a critical part of any good musical number.

I hate using this term because it's so overused, but the original songs had soul, even if you didn't like the songs you could at least tell the singers and composers gave half a shit about what they were doing and weren't phoning it in for a paycheck and resume building.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

While Michael Kovach singing "No Girl's Toy" as Jax wasn't a mindblowing singing performance or anything, it was at least more fun to listen too and had more charm to it compared to this song which sounds like every generic pop song. Vivzie really just picked worst actors cause "MUH BROADWAY"

If Hazbin Hotel outright fails rather than fades into obscurity like Steven Universe, Kovach can take comfort in the fact that he dodged a bullet.

He's got so many more respectable roles in his portfolio. At this point, even the crude GMOD animations he provided a voice to are better than Hazbin Hotel.

Who exactly, other than pretentious theater kids, really gives a shit about broadway stars. Rather than, you know, the actors who actually provide their talents to the shit that normal people actually watch?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Yeah like if you’re going to take the route of having something more evil than the Devil, the best method would be to take the Eldritch route,

she was ironically going to do just that in Zoophobia.

Jestine, the Sin of Pride, and a banished demon, was going to be the Big Bad of that story.

 

[AnOminous]

If Hazbin Hotel outright fails rather than fades into obscurity like Steven Universe, Kovach can take comfort in the fact that he dodged a bullet.

At this point, I hope Lackadaisy's animated series gets picked up and turns into a huge success just to piss off Vivz.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

If Hazbin Hotel outright fails rather than fades into obscurity like Steven Universe, Kovach can take comfort in the fact that he dodged a bullet.

More like it'll fail hard and then it will fade into obscurity.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

This is very likely going to be the same for all the other songs. They're not terrible but they're not good nor memorable, they're just average and generic.

I'm not going to pretend that Addict and Inside of every demon is a rainbow were perfect, but both those songs are significantly better than Poison or Happy day in Hell, and the visuals of Inside of every Demon are significantly better and unique than Happy day on top of that, which is a critical part of any good musical number.

I hate using this term because it's so overused, but the original songs had soul, even if you didn't like the songs you could at least tell the singers and composers gave half a shit about what they were doing and weren't phoning it in for a paycheck and resume building.

Funny enough, those songs were not made by Sam Haft. Addict was by Silvia Hound, and Inside of Every Demon is a Rainbow was by Parry Gripp. Maybe I'm biased, but Parry Gripp should have composed the music for this show. He always produced the most catchy songs for Helluva Boss.

And who wrote Poison? Sam Haft! It's always him! Why? I'm sure he is a fine musician, but being around Viv really brings out the worst in him, both musically and personality wise.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

And who wrote Poison? Sam Haft! It's always him! Why? I'm sure he is a fine musician, but being around Viv really brings out the worst in him, both musically and personality wise.

Look at it like an actor. You could have a fantastic actor who's even earned some best actor awards (and fully deserved them), but if they get paired with a bad director and a similarly bad script, even they will struggle to make their performance anything above average even if they're really trying to put out something good.

At the end of the day Viv is the showrunner, producer, writer, and probably a dozen other things, so she gets most of the credit of the end product. If something is a roaring success you may have gotten a newcomer who is now in high places, if something is dismal failure you may have an industry veteran who may not be in the industry anymore. You could argue that she's just one piece of the puzzle even if she's the most important piece, and that it's unfair to pin all the blame on a show or movie's quality on just one person, but that's just the way showbiz works.

If I were Viv, I'd be praying that Hazbin is good enough that it's a critical and commercial success that it at least gets 3 or 4 seasons, because when it comes to newcomers in showbiz, there is rarely such a thing as a second chance.

 

[JokahBaybee]

Holy crap, I recognize the music.

It's a parody of Strong Bad is a Bad Guy.

you bet your ass it is!

 

[Sneed (formerly ﷽)]

Are there people doing this, though? I would imagine the average Helluva Boss viewer is in their twenties (late teens to early thirties at a stretch), the same demographic that grew up watching Billy and Mandy. I would've thought the number of people who hear Moxxie and don't think "oh, it's Billy" is actually pretty small.

From my perspective there are. With the recent A.I. cover flood that began in like summer, every Invader Zim A.I. cover or whatever I've seen has like many comments saying the voice reminds them of Moxxie. Any video that even has Zim's voice like a fucking voice clip video of his lines from Nick Brawl 2 will have some comments saying it reminds them of Moxxie. The first ever popular A.I. model made from Richard's voice that people started making shitty covers on YouTube was a Moxxie model and not a Zim or Billy one (fuck, I don't even know if there even is a Billy voice model currently). Basically, the current internet landscape treats Moxxie as an equal popular character alongside Zim and Billy which makes me go Boomer Doomer Mode. Also yes, there are lot of kids who do watch Helluva Boss because I've seen many shitty TikTok and YouTube videos run by like pre-teens make Helluva Boss edits and shit like that so I'm just gonna assume these YouTube comments I've been seeing and what started this intellectually amazing rant was made by the young Helluva Boss fanbase

 

[Beautiful Border]

From my perspective there are. With the recent A.I. cover flood that began in like summer, every Invader Zim A.I. cover or whatever I've seen has like many comments saying the voice reminds them of Moxxie. Any video that even has Zim's voice like a fucking voice clip video of his lines from Nick Brawl 2 will have some comments saying it reminds them of Moxxie. The first ever popular A.I. model made from Richard's voice that people started making shitty covers on YouTube was a Moxxie model and not a Zim or Billy one (fuck, I don't even know if there even is a Billy voice model currently). Basically, the current internet landscape treats Moxxie as an equal popular character alongside Zim and Billy which makes me go Boomer Doomer Mode. Also yes, there are lot of kids who do watch Helluva Boss because I've seen many shitty TikTok and YouTube videos run by like pre-teens make Helluva Boss edits and shit like that so I'm just gonna assume these YouTube comments I've been seeing and what started this intellectually amazing rant was made by the young Helluva Boss fanbase

Stop hanging around in places full of kids then lmao

 

[King Metalia]

If Hazbin Hotel outright fails rather than fades into obscurity like Steven Universe, Kovach can take comfort in the fact that he dodged a bullet.

He's got so many more respectable roles in his portfolio. At this point, even the crude GMOD animations he provided a voice to are better than Hazbin Hotel.

Who exactly, other than pretentious theater kids, really gives a shit about broadway stars. Rather than, you know, the actors who actually provide their talents to the shit that normal people actually watch?

I hope Hazbin doesn't fail. Thou it looks like I'm the only one around here that does. I'm not particularly familiar with musical theatre. I've seen a couple musicals but I was never a theater kid. But I think that's partially what drew me to Viv's work is that it's different from the media I usually consume.

 

[Sneed (formerly ﷽)]

Stop hanging around in places full of kids then lmao

So basically you're telling me I shouldn't use YouTube anymore. FUCK THAT, I prefer complaining!

 

[AnOminous]

He always produced the most catchy songs for Helluva Boss.

Specifically "Oh Millie" and one actually in the show, the I.M.P. commercial jingle.

 

[Cave Fisher]

So if Chai's to be believed (Which I'm inclined to say they are, considering they've been pretty credible before.) HH's finale will be handled by Spindlehorse while the animators get paid $35 a second. I'm not sure if "final episode" means the SEASON finale or the SERIES finale, but if it's the latter, then I think we can assume the one season got split into two if it's really getting 2 seasons.