Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

New Years greetings from Aida SF

«Сегодня мы пишем историю своей кровью. Сегодня мы стали щитом между тьмой и светом. Сегодня мы стоим на рубежах насмерть», - так говорит Аид, командир группы Аида Спецназа «Ахмат», поздравляя с Наступающим Новым годом своих братьев по оружию.

"Today we are writing history with our blood. Today we have become a shield between darkness and light. Today we are standing on the borders to the death," says Hades, commander of the Aida group of the Akhmat Special Forces, congratulating his brothers in arms on the Upcoming New Year.
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Anyway, Russia's going to win this, and it looks like the West is going to ruin its military credibility in the process for absolutely no good reason whatsoever. Oh well, at least we don't speak German!

It's worse then that. EU is fucked economically. West has lost tons of influence in ME and Africa.

Then there is of course USA obsession to now curb China. As it has become a competitor that they ignored for to long.

A excellent write up on that.



Well they can kiss that goodbye. They thought they would be able to dominate Russia, either force it to concessions regarding China, or to remove Putin and take it over along with Russia's unimaginable wealth, especially with Siberia becoming slowly into green, fertile heaven and easier to explorer. Never mind strategical location.


Well all they done is bring Russia and China closer together. Which is one of the biggest geopolitical blunders in decades.

And as far as India. China has been slowly investing into India more and more. More so then the west. Mody is no fool. He stopped using China as a boogeyman and is now cracking down on foreign NGO's.

India will take what it can from USA and will give little back as possible. They ain't going to siding with the west. Not after it's latest behavior. Especially if China wont rock the boat with India.

You know what's ironic ? Russia saw India, Vietnam and SK as counterweight to ever growing China. Hence the arms cooperation with S Korea for one. That died ...with Vietnam playing hardball and South Korean political scandal and America's pressure on SK.

China is laughing it's ass off.
 
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The 3 second video shows a male, with a strong English accent.

I am concerned that they are, as I have heard, "off-duty SAS"
I wouldn't be surprised a bit to find out its basically a situation like balmorra from star wars the old republic. That is to say republic soldiers 'going awol' to 'volunteer' to fight with the balmorra resistance against the empire under unofficial orders from the republic, and when they get caught out for it they just shrug and deny it, and the republic just disavows the whole thing when the situation goes public. Except in this case its SAS and various US special forces 'mercenaries' Hell I wouldn't be surprised to find out theres a mercenary company or two created by the CIA specifically to use to justify sending 'mercenaries' into situations like this allowing them to claim they totally aren't current members of the armed forces being sent to fight illegally
 
I wouldn't be surprised a bit to find out its basically a situation like balmorra from star wars the old republic. That is to say republic soldiers 'going awol' to 'volunteer' to fight with the balmorra resistance against the empire under unofficial orders from the republic, and when they get caught out for it they just shrug and deny it, and the republic just disavows the whole thing when the situation goes public. Except in this case its SAS and various US special forces 'mercenaries' Hell I wouldn't be surprised to find out theres a mercenary company or two created by the CIA specifically to use to justify sending 'mercenaries' into situations like this allowing them to claim they totally aren't current members of the armed forces being sent to fight illegally

You underestimate the power of the Vodka side, young glowie.
 
This shit is how things start to spiral out of control. Czech missles, American cluster munitions ending up being used on a civilian area. Putin will be under pressure to respond, and if there's any truth to the story that Zelensky was responsible, then he's getting merked soon.
He would be doing the West a favor. Zelensky does what he is told. His only hope is to flee to Israel or the USA and Israel is more likey to tell him to fuck off.

His retirement plan is to live in Miami with his loot and blackmail. The Us glowies want Putin to kill him so they get a last bit of use out of him as a martyr and can install someone for the negotiated surrender.

The west fucked up big by taking away the foreign holdings and then giving the stolen money away. That could have been used as lube to get him to accept current gains and pause the conflict. The only logical reason for him to not keep going would be internal politics pressuring him to stop.

What pressures does Putin have right now internally in Russia?
 
What pressures does Putin have right now internally in Russia?
Only his inner circle can say for sure, but outwardly between zero and none. Ukrainian shenanigans like today's strike on civilizans in Belgorod have convinced the populace the war is righteous, no people are being drafted (thanks to the extremely generous volunteer salary) and the military-industrial complex has kicked into high gear, rejuvenating the economy. The factories go brr, the arrow goes up, the luxuries are being imported via third-party countries, and the 20%-30% price hike in Russia is perceived as just another Tuesday.

If nothing changes, it is smooth sailing all the way to... 2036, really. His elections in March are guaranteed to be a record-smashing success even without having to adjust the numbers because war time president, etc, etc.

Of course, there are rumors of free-fall inflation immediately after the elections are locked in, so we will see how it goes.
 
Happy New Year, to all the orks and elephants in this thread.

I am gonna have a /chug/ to you.
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Have you ever taken apart an AR-15 or AK-47? This is an insanely bad take. The M-16 is no more difficult or costly to maintain than an AK-47.

M-16s short comings in Vietnam where due to logistical retardation. First they supplied ammunition using the incorrect powder which resulted in reliability problems which was then compounded by ignoring the importance of cleaning rifles as the M-16 was billed as a space age self cleaning weapon.

The fact the thing has been used for near 60 years and even countries like France and the UK have swapped to using AR-15 pattern rifles should be a hint its an pretty damn good design.
>Have you ever taken apart an AR-15 or AK-47? This is an insanely bad take.
Obviously
>The M-16 is no more difficult or costly to maintain than an AK-47.
Absolute horseshit. Any significant amount of carbon buildup in the star chamber or gas tube can cause AR pattern weapons to malfunction constantly. The former causing extraction issues and the later causing ejection issues. You don't have these issues in AK pattern weapons. Partly because they're piston driven.
>M-16s short comings in Vietnam where due to logistical retardation
They completely redesigned the ARs after and during the Vietnam war. The most noticeable redesign being the addition of a forward assist because the weapon would gunk up so bad the bolt carrier often wouldn't carry the bolt fully forward.
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>First they supplied ammunition using the incorrect powder
You're talking about ball V.S. stick powder charges. Yes, the move to ball helped the M-16, but it still had major reliability issues. The problem is, when you compare the two weapon systems, the AK was using a lot lower standard of ammunition than even the stick ammo and it still didn't have the problems.
>then compounded by ignoring the importance of cleaning rifles as the M-16 was billed as a space age self cleaning weapon.
Yes, and who billed them as "space age self cleaning weapons?
>The fact the thing has been used for near 60 years and even countries like France and the UK have swapped to using AR-15 pattern rifles should be a hint its an pretty damn good design.
It's really not. Both of those countries have meme armies that mostly rely on the US, and both of them have been desperately trying to move away from AR pattern weapons. Also the French ended up going with the HK 416 which completely gets rid of the gas system in favor of a piston system. It's literally an AR platform that takes inspiration from the AK platforms.


Edit/also (since the /k/ bomb has already gone off):

RPK & RPD are infinitely better than that absolute abortion of a light machine gun which is the SAW/M249
Ukrainian armed forces were shipped to the UK under the cover of COVID to (I believe) receive training at some of the smaller 'abandoned' army bases.

In Spring and Summer 2022 I noticed that a group of fighting-age Eastern-European looking men, all with army buzzcuts and army physique, appeared almost overnight in my town. More and more of them appeared as the months went on, appearing only in the 24/7 supermarket - the largest in the area.

Their appearance coincided with an increase of military movements, including some military equipment being seen for the first time in certain areas near me, and the uptick in american military transport planes flying over-head.

The West have been in the Ukraine for a very long time.
I've noticed a steady uptick in videos from the Ukrainian side which feature languages not spoken commonly in Ukraine. It's going to be interesting after the war ends to find out how many NATO special forces ended up getting the 6th army treatment.
 
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RPK & RPD are infinitely better than that absolute abortion of a light machine gun which is the SAW/M249
There is room for improvement in still in modernizing the BAR 1918 to the modern era as well as using lightweight materials to make it less heavier.

And no major evolution has been done for the fire control system for the M14 or M1 Garand and beyond as well.

There is one major thing also as well that an AK does not need

The Buffer Tube and weights. As there was the simple rifle tube and buffer. Now there are multiple buffer weights like H1 and H2 for the barrel sizes below 20 inches.
 
You are now required by law to feature niggers in your TV and movies, somehow one-upping the absurdity of American DEI culture because you have dumped your entire quaint, charming television tradition to prove to New York TV executives that you are somehow even more nigger-loving than American liberals are
Why do Brits care about niggers anyways? Featuring Indians and Pakis more would unironically make more sense (even if that's retarded too). For America it's because the whole slavery, reconstruction era, jim crow, civil rights movement, MLK yada yada but niggers have never had any major significance in the UK up until the 60s. Inb4 some retard pulls up some news report about how there were like two blacks in 18th century England which totally disproves my entire point.
 
Why do Brits care about niggers anyways? Featuring Indians and Pakis more would unironically make more sense (even if that's retarded too). For America it's because the whole slavery, reconstruction era, jim crow, civil rights movement, MLK yada yada but niggers have never had any major significance in the UK up until the 60s. Inb4 some retard pulls up some news report about how there were like two blacks in 18th century England which totally disproves my entire point.

And Jesus Wept.

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Absolute horseshit. Any significant amount of carbon buildup in the star chamber or gas tube can cause AR pattern weapons to malfunction constantly. The former causing extraction issues and the later causing ejection issues. You don't have these issues in AK pattern weapons. Partly because they're piston driven.
Have you only handled the cheapest made AR-15s shooting the sketchiest ammo possible?

As someone who has put many rounds through a M16-A4, numerous AR-15s suppressed and unsuppressed carbon build up causing malfunctions hasnt been an issue. My personal go to AR which is an 11.5 inch suppressed rifle has gone 500+ rounds suppressed over a period of months without issue.
They completely redesigned the ARs after and during the Vietnam war. The most noticeable redesign being the addition of a forward assist because the weapon would gunk up so bad the bolt carrier often wouldn't carry the bolt fully forward.
Spoiler alert, the US military is filled with idiots who dont really know anything about small arms and randomly force changes for no real reason(another great example is the gov profile barrel in the A2). Stoner thought the idea was idiotic and no one is taught to rely on the FA.
You're talking about ball V.S. stick powder charges. Yes, the move to ball helped the M-16, but it still had major reliability issues. The problem is, when you compare the two weapon systems, the AK was using a lot lower standard of ammunition than even the stick ammo and it still didn't have the problems.
What the hell does that have anything to do with the actual weapon itself? Bean counters forcing you to use the wrong kind of ammo resulting in subpar performance isnt an issue with the weapon.
Yes, and who billed them as "space age self cleaning weapons?
By retards who dont actually use firearms or understand firearms? Aka McNamara bean counters.

And even AKs need to be cleaned. Theres a reason why theres a long skinny rod underneath the barrel.

It's really not. Both of those countries have meme armies that mostly rely on the US, and both of them have been desperately trying to move away from AR pattern weapons. Also the French ended up going with the HK 416 which completely gets rid of the gas system in favor of a piston system. It's literally an AR platform that takes inspiration from the AK platforms.
What crack are you smoking? Trying to move away? The Brits have just adopted an AR pattern rifle designed/built by KAC.

And the HK 416 is still an AR pattern rifle.
RPK & RPD are infinitely better than that absolute abortion of a light machine gun which is the SAW/M249
You really dont know anything about those weapons and what makes them fundamentally different. Youre comparing mazda miata to a ford mustang here.
 
Why do Brits care about niggers anyways? Featuring Indians and Pakis more would unironically make more sense (even if that's retarded too). For America it's because the whole slavery, reconstruction era, jim crow, civil rights movement, MLK yada yada but niggers have never had any major significance in the UK up until the 60s. Inb4 some retard pulls up some news report about how there were like two blacks in 18th century England which totally disproves my entire point.
They have to feel guilty for taking over half of Africa plus all that Jamaican sugarcane plantation slavery. More slaves were imported into the Caribbean than the South (but they won't tell you that in school where slavery stops and ends with evil Southern huwhites and the Confederate States) because way more died there since sugar plantations were the shittiest place in the world to work, worse than cotton. And of course the British created the slave trade in the future US when they stopped giving Irish people free work (emphasis on "free") and imported blacks to do the work instead.

They also judge cities on diversity, so cities need to be like NYC, Chicago, and LA. Around half the people in London are white (and it's by far the most diverse city in the UK beside a few suburbs), which means they're losing to NYC, LA, and even Chicago. It's an inferiority complex.
 
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Have you only handled the cheapest made AR-15s shooting the sketchiest ammo possible?
I wasted my youth in the Jewnited states army so probably.
As someone who has put many rounds through a M16-A4, numerous AR-15s suppressed and unsuppressed carbon build up causing malfunctions hasnt been an issue.
I'm going to guess your definition of "many" is not a universal definition
Spoiler alert, the US military is filled with idiots who dont really know anything about small arms and randomly force changes for no real reason(another great example is the gov profile barrel in the A2). Stoner thought the idea was idiotic and no one is taught to rely on the FA.
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What the hell does that have anything to do with the actual weapon itself? Bean counters forcing you to use the wrong kind of ammo resulting in subpar performance isnt an issue with the weapon.
Most AK platforms can fire shit ammunition without major issues. Most ARs can't.
By retards who dont actually use firearms or understand firearms? Aka McNamara bean counters.
or aka people who think the US fields practical infantry equipment
And even AKs need to be cleaned. Theres a reason why theres a long skinny rod underneath the barrel.
Yeah, you need to clean AKs. You don't ,however, have to spend two hours cleaning them after you take them to a qual range and fire like 3 mags
What crack are you smoking? Trying to move away? The Brits have just adopted an AR pattern rifle designed/built by KAC.
This is news to me since they really liked their massively failed bull-pup rifles, but wouldn't really surprise me since the British army is increasingly becoming a joke/US foreign legion.
And the HK 416 is still an AR pattern rifle.
The HK 416 is as much of an AR pattern rifle as the AK is a Sturmgewehr 44 pattern rifle. There are external similarities but they're dramatically different mechanically. At the time the US military wanted something that felt like an AR, but wasn't an AR, and HK delivered just that.

Also, the HK 416 was originally designed for the US military but rejected, and has now ended up with the French. Most likely there's some fuckery there which wont come out until much later.


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I find it very amusing that the fucking French now objectively have a more practical service rifle than the British or American army.


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If anyone is wondering what we're sperging about, top is an AR pattern rifle with a piston system, and bottom is a gas system. Top is similar to the AK pattern rifles which have always operated on a piston system.

It took trillions of US dollars and decades to finally understand that blowing carbon back into a receiver that has extremely tight tolerances might cause malfunctions and substantial wear and tear on a rifle's internal parts. This is spite of the fact that the previous generations of US service rifles, the M1, and M14 didn't have this retarded flaw.

Basically ARs are the now finally, detransitioning faggots of service rifles, but they're still shit.
 
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I find it very amusing that the fucking French now objectively have a more practical service rifle than the British or American army.
It's funny and ironic, but that's just how technology works. Eventually one country finally admits that their tech is completely shit, swallows their pride, works to improve it, and comes up with superior tech. History is full of that happening over and over again. Just a matter of them finally recognizing that their old ways are just not working.
 
If anyone is wondering what we're sperging about, top is an AR pattern rifle with a piston system, and bottom is a gas system. Top is similar to the AK pattern rifles which have always operated on a piston system.

It took trillions of US dollars and decades to finally understand that blowing carbon back into a receiver that has extremely tight tolerances might cause malfunctions and substantial wear and tear on a rifle's internal parts. This is spite of the fact that the previous generations of US service rifles, the M1, and M14 didn't have this retarded flaw.

Basically ARs are the now finally, detransitioning faggots of service rifles, but they're still shit.
So what you do to improve the reliability of DI is adopt the thing every western made piston gun has, an adjustable gas block.
Ooops, Shot nearly a thousand rounds without wiping the innards down, let more gas in to make the gun run harder and function again.
Now your AR is 300x more better than it's retarded inbred piston derivatives.
 
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It's funny and ironic, but that's just how technology works. Eventually one country finally admits that their tech is completely shit, swallows their pride, works to improve it, and comes up with superior tech. History is full of that happening over and over again. Just a matter of them finally recognizing that their old ways are just not working.
It's funny to me too because the HK 416 actually did do reliability testing against the AK 47 and in a lot of the test it preformed better, but somehow only the French adopted it. On paper the new army rifle seems pretty good, but there's some massively sus shit.
Just right off the bat, they have to have a reinforced cartridge
 
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