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[quaawaa]

Let me also remind you that all of this started because Dylann Roof murdered nine Black churchgoers in a crusade to start a race war. Case in point: his bastardization of showcasing the Confederate flag as his battle cry moments before the shooting. I won't even go into America's ignorance of WHAT and HOW the Confederacy was formed, that's for another time.

They’ve hated the South since before the Civil War. That mass shooting had nothing to do with them wanting to tear down Confederate statues.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

They’ve hated the South since before the Civil War. That mass shooting had nothing to do with them wanting to tear down Confederate statues.

This is very true. People from rich northern blue states HATE American Southerners so much it's unreal because of their idea of "muh inbred racist hicks".

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

You know damn well that's coming next.

That I do. There’s a statue right there at Jefferson Davis’ grave. They’ll be able to score double-points by toppling the statue AND desecrating the grave!

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/260/jefferson-finis-davis

 

[clipartfan92]

D-NH:

https://twitter.com/SenatorShaheen/status/1743669684438712520 (archive.ph)
Democrat Congresswoman caught BEGGING for MORE migrants to fill her district in resurfaced video

Clip source:

https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/1446201471641559042 (archive.ph)

 

[The Last Stand]

They’ve hated the South since before the Civil War. That mass shooting had nothing to do with them wanting to tear down Confederate statues.

As my point mentioned, Americans are entirely ignorant of the Confederacy and the Civil War's root causes. How many Americans you think know that the popular depiction of the Confederacy is a battle flag, not its country flag? Or that the Confederacy had battleground advantage compared to the Union's industrialized cities? Or that the Civil War itself started over states' rights stemming from economic prosperity?

I'm not a Southern; somebody else could likely explain the Civil War from their perspective better than I could. Regardless of how one feels about history, it's still history that needs to be preserved and taught as is so that we do not repeat those dark moments.

 

[Halfnium Bomb]

People from rich northern blue states HATE American Southerners so much it's unreal because of their idea of "muh inbred racist hicks".

I come from a rich northern state, went to a well off sburban High School (Several swimming pools!), graduated recently, and the perspective we got regarding the Civil War was still* far more nuanced than what you see regularly discussed on twitter. Is it a liberal college or inner city school thing?

 

[General Emílio Médici]

It's a progressive commie thing.

Yankees in the middle of the Civil War didn't hate the South as much as some of these clowns nowadays. Fucking Sherman would have thought their hate was over the top, and John Brown would have found them hysterical.

They hate the south and the CSA simply because it provides a handy proxy and foot on the door to hate the USA as a whole. They start by attacking the most stereotypical reactionary parts of it and then move towards the rest like a all encompassing plague. It has nothing to do with slavery or states rights, and everything about hating the very foundation of meritocratic western liberal democracy based on freedom and anglo-saxon legal tradition.

They project communism into the Union, and see the CSA as all others who would resist their Brave New World of Equality. Whenever they take down a statue of Lee they are already picturing themselves melting down George Washington.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Weird how actual Europeans get to have statues for 1000+ years, even for figures who have been the subject of some controversy. Hell, England cut off the head of a king whose statue is now approaching 400 years old and still standing. They didn't try to pretend he'd never existed or had no public monuments as soon as he fell out of public favor. They didn't melt down the statues of the people who ended up (as we all must, eventually) on the wrong side of history, except Russia, which removed all monuments and statues of tsars when Lenin took over.

Asians, too! Japan, Cambodia, in fact pretty much every Asian culture ... except China, because it had a Cultural Revolution that destroyed huge amounts of its cultural artifacts and symbols from its rich ancient history.

Kind of seems like you're allowed to keep your statuary until you find yourself in a cultural purge initiated by Marxists!

There's a John McCain memorial in Laos/Cambodia/Vietnam, I can't recall which one. Imagine if Pearl Harbor was covered with monuments to the Japanese zero pilots, lol.

AFAIK, Seattle has a statue of Lenin still standing. Think on that for a second.

Funny enough, the only reason the Lenin statue has been protected is because it's on private property. You know, that thing Lenin didn't think should exist.

 

[Breadbassket]

It's a progressive commie thing.

Yankees in the middle of the Civil War didn't hate the South as much as some of these clowns nowadays. Fucking Sherman would have thought their hate was over the top, and John Brown would have found them hysterical.

They hate the south and the CSA simply because it provides a handy proxy and foot on the door to hate the USA as a whole. They start by attacking the most stereotypical reactionary parts of it and then move towards the rest like a all encompassing plague. It has nothing to do with slavery or states rights, and everything about hating the very foundation of meritocratic western liberal democracy based on freedom and anglo-saxon legal tradition.

They project communism into the Union, and see the CSA as all others who would resist their Brave New World of Equality. Whenever they take down a statue of Lee they are already picturing themselves melting down George Washington.

It's always funny to see the same people hate the USA for so much then suddenly worship it for 4 years of its history then go back to hating it again for the rest of time.

 

[Netizennameless]

I come from a rich northern state, went to a well off sburban High School (Several swimming pools!), graduated recently, and the perspective we got regarding the Civil War was still* far more nuanced than what you see regularly discussed on twitter. Is it a liberal college or inner city school thing?

There is a 99% chance it's because of your age. If you graduated high before 2010 or so, you basically grew up in a different country. Most of twitter never bothered to listen to what they were taught, but the dumbing down of education into grievance politics really ramped up from 2010 on. Now they won't teach the history, because the current narrative doesn't stand up to detailed scrutiny.

 

[AverageQuarianEnjoyer]

You're forgetting Stage 0 of Genocide: targeted group is nonwhite

 

[General Emílio Médici]

There's a John McCain memorial in Laos/Cambodia/Vietnam, I can't recall which one. Imagine if Pearl Harbor was covered with monuments to the Japanese zero pilots, lol.

To be fair, loads of documents and proof exist that McCain was not a PoW as much as he was a Tokyo Rose type of cushy PoW.

 

[The Big O]

There is a 99% chance it's because of your age. If you graduated high before 2010 or so, you basically grew up in a different country. Most of twitter never bothered to listen to what they were taught, but the dumbing down of education into grievance politics really ramped up from 2010 on. Now they won't teach the history, because the current narrative doesn't stand up to detailed scrutiny.

Minor PL, but I agree with this a whole lot. We did get our share of victimhood propaganda in the form of civil rights and the LOLlercaust, but it was never hammered into us white boys that we were any degree of "oppressor," and this was coming from high school in the mid-2000s in a fairly rural New England town servicing a few mid-size cities around it. It all shifted hard around the 2010s onward. That's when the cultural Marxist rot dropped its mask. I genuinely feel sorry for any New England zoomies, but I also refuse to associate with any of them outside of any blue-collar jobs I've worked. I can't imagine what sorts of basket cases they must be mentally.

 

[dustbuster]

it. It all shifted hard around the 2010s onward. That's when the cultural Marxist rot dropped its mask

Yep.
Just last night some zoomers started in with that "white people are the devils of history" shit in a non-political space and I was forced to push back and offer a bit of a history lesson.

It surprisingly did not result in an argument.
I suspect they were genuinely never told about the barbary wars or the origin of the word "slave"
Surprising how fast the "american white people bad" sails lose their wind when you understand the first foreign marine expedition was due to africans raiding ships and taking white people as slaves.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

because at least state-owned media doesn't have a veil of "nuh-uh, we're totally independent reporters coming to our own conclusions" that they can hide behind.

IDK, I still remember BBC bitching when Twitter labeled them a state-owned media.

Turns out the fed who shot Ashli Babbitt tried to claim there was a shootout in the Capitol after gunning her down.

>shoots a person
>calls the police
>mateys, I heard gunshots, I did!

Now, I might just be a retard on the internet, but I may just have an idea where that mysterious sound came from.

 

[Snekposter]

There's a John McCain memorial in Laos/Cambodia/Vietnam, I can't recall which one. Imagine if Pearl Harbor was covered with monuments to the Japanese zero pilots, lol.

Na, its not a memorial. Its them building a monument to celebrate his successful capture. "Dis where we shoot down dat Ammirar's son!" Its why there was a bit of a tizzy when Kamala laid a wreath there.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

Most of twitter never bothered to listen to what they were taught, but the dumbing down of education into grievance politics really ramped up from 2010 on. Now they won't teach the history, because the current narrative doesn't stand up to detailed scrutiny.

Thinking back to my own public schooling (grew up in Florida, mind you):

• Elementary school: Learn about segregation and slavery, be lectured on why white people bad. I can even remember learning "vocabulary words" through a song about Nelson Mandela
• Middle school: Learn about Hitler in civics class, learn about Nazi war crimes in English class with zero mention of the USSR or Red China
• Freshman: Read To Kill a Mockingbird, learn whitey bad
• Sophomore: Read Lord of the Flies, learn why liberal democracy is le good
• Junior: Read The Crucible, learn why being anti-Communist and anti-Marxist is le bad
• Senior: Read George Bernard Shaw, learn why Feminism is le good

There is a reason they flip out when gay porn is taken out of school libraries, why they want to keep common core, and hate homeschooling.

 

[Still Exceptional]

I never learned "whitey bad" more along the lines of "people in the past sucked, we suck less because we learned from their mistakes."

Somehow I never got the lesson that I was supposed to feel bad for the things my ancestors did. Hell, even at best it was more like mild sympathy for the people we oppressed in a "Sorry you sucked at self defense bad enough to get conquered\enslaved. Should have gotten gud." sort of way.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

I never learned "whitey bad" more along the lines of "people in the past sucked, we suck less because we learned from their mistakes."

Somehow I never got the lesson that I was supposed to feel bad for the things my ancestors did. Hell, even at best it was more like mild sympathy for the people we oppressed in a "Sorry you sucked at self defense bad enough to get conquered\enslaved. Should have gotten gud." sort of way.

Same, but that was mostly because the majority of my History/SocialStudies classes focused on caveman, native americans, mongolians/chinese shit, egyptians, greece and roman times. I only know of 1 or 2 classes that focused on WW1 and WW2 eras, but absolutely no one talked about anything from the 80's and 90's even though the text books had those chapters in them.

 

[The Nothingness]

I wish there were more courses about the Confederacy's role in America beyond slavery.

As my point mentioned, Americans are entirely ignorant of the Confederacy and the Civil War's root causes. How many Americans you think know that the popular depiction of the Confederacy is a battle flag, not its country flag? Or that the Confederacy had battleground advantage compared to the Union's industrialized cities? Or that the Civil War itself started over states' rights stemming from economic prosperity?

I'm not a Southern; somebody else could likely explain the Civil War from their perspective better than I could. Regardless of how one feels about history, it's still history that needs to be preserved and taught as is so that we do not repeat those dark moments.

A more balanced approached to the Civil War would show the Union were not the goody two-shoes fighting to preserve the union/end slavery. While Sherman's March and the burning of Atlanta may be brought up in a history course, something that is probably not covered is Camp Douglas. For the TL;DR version, Camp Douglas was a POW camp for Confederate soldiers located in Chicago. It would be known as the North's "Andersonville", a reference to Confederate POW camp, Andersonville Prison, that was infamous for its poor conditions and large number of prisoner deaths (although historians would argue that Elmira Prison would have been the Union equivalent of Andersonville). Andersonville was presented as absolute cruelty while the conditions of Camp Douglas and Elmira were downplayed.