Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Snekposter]

What's crazy is there are retards who actually believe Dugan's "multipolar world" cope will bring about more peace and prosperity. They're so /pol/-brained or propagandized by daddy russia that they actually think Russian klepto oligarch rule is better than the "globohomo" meme they think exists IRL as much as it does online.

The last time we had a multipolar world some damned foolish thing in the Balkans resulted in such a horrendous loss of life the victors immediately declared their intent to end the usual fuck-fuck games we've had throughout history as opposed to continuing to fight each other over who got to vacuum up the remains of the losers like you would expect.

Also, new Paper Skies video, this one talks about what boozehounds the Russian air forces were in general as opposed to just the Tu-22M pilots and crewmen.

Also includes a photo from his family archives that is probably not the man's finest moment:

You'd think if you get to ask Viktor Pugachev questions about his time flying you'd want to be able to remember what he said afterwards.

 

[not william stenchever]

Germany couldn't even supply fucking boots to its soldiers, the absolute most basic of all equipment

Germany supplying shutzen to its' shutzen would fundamentally betray the German governments' goal of fucking everything up because it can.

 

[Abowaffen]

The first Shahed-238 with a jet engine was shot down on Ukrainian territory. Speed more than 500 km/h.

Spoiler: more pics

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

The first Shahed-238 with a jet engine was shot down on Ukrainian territory. Speed more than 500 km/h.
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Spoiler: more pics

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That seems like a problem

 

[No. 7 cat]

Hungary claims that it may lift its veto from the €50 billion EU aid package for Ukraine on condition that the funding will be reviewed annually.

Source: European Pravda with reference to Politico

Details: According to three EU diplomats, Budapest has claimed that it may lift its veto on condition that the European Council will approve a vote to allocate funds on an annual basis.

Politico states that this would give Hungarian PM Viktor Orbán an opportunity to block funding for Ukraine every year, or to achieve concessions from Brussels in exchange for lifting the veto.

Hungary voiced this proposal during a meeting of 27 EU budget experts on 5 January and sent a corresponding document to the EU Council, for which Belgium holds the presidency at the moment.

A diplomat familiar with the course of the negotiations stated that according to the proposal, the EU would provide Ukraine with €12.5 billion in the form of grants and loans, which would reach the amount of €50 billion suggested by the European Commission over four years.

Some EU diplomats are sceptical of this proposal, despite the change in Hungary’s rhetoric, which earlier was categorically against the allocation of funds for Ukraine in any form.

They note that the Hungarian proposal will not guarantee stability for Ukraine.

"MFF (the EU’s seven-year budget) is a multiannual framework, we cannot do it (agree on it – ed.) on a year-to-year basis," said an EU diplomat.

The issue of EU funding for Ukraine is on the agenda of the meeting of the ambassadors of the EU member states planned for 10 January.

Background: After the December EU summit, many leaders expressed certainty that the EU would definitely adopt a decision about financial support for Ukraine at the beginning of the year.

The European Union will hold an extraordinary summit to discuss the allocation of €50 billion in additional assistance to Ukraine for a four-year period on 1 February 2024.

According to media reports, the EU is preparing a plan B with €20 billion of financial aid for Ukraine in the event that Hungarian PM Viktor Orbán blocks the main €50 billion plan.

Orbán wants his whistle wetted annually or no EU aid to Ukraine

I suppose for Orbán the Avar everything is an opportunity for personal enrichment while posing as the king of trad for retards. Presumably he saw some fancy yurts in connection with Pope Francis' visit to Mongolia a little while back and some of that for his family tribe.



Muh Ortho bros shit

 

[teriyakiburns]

Orbán wants his whistle wetted annually or no EU aid to Ukraine

I'm honestly surprised they didn't switch to a qualified majority vote to get it past.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Ukrainian FPV & dropped payloads:




Lol

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Orbán wants his whistle wetted annually or no EU aid to Ukraine

I suppose for Orbán the Avar everything is an opportunity for personal enrichment while posing as the king of trad for retards. Presumably he saw some fancy yurts in connection with Pope Francis' visit to Mongolia a little while back and some of that for his family tribe.

Reminder that the EU went out of its way (though they did compromise somewhat with what the UK wanted) to still allow EU migrants (including Hungarians) to access unemployment and child benefits from the UK. The EU ultimately sided with the GIBS NOW East Euros, triggering a Brexit result among UK voters in 2016.

WE WUZ ATTILA. GIB US WEST EURO BENEFITS, TENGRI WILLS IT.

Muh Ortho bros shit

The source:

Another TOS-1A goes boom:

 

[No. 7 cat]

I'm honestly surprised they didn't switch to a qualified majority vote to get it past.

Changing EU voting to circumvent a central European conman might seem excessive to EU politicians and it is a very convoluted process. Basically bribing him with EU money seems simpler. Perhaps also some are content at the Orbán brake it might lead sooner to a return of the glory days of dodgy Putin bucks being poured into their pockets. They're not going to literally say: 'I want to be a kept (wo)man' again but it's the situation.

Basically RT falsified what a Ukrainian opposition politician Lutsenko said. What this veteran had said was that Ukrainian casualties need to made clear given how 500,000 are said to be needed in the new mobilisation, as roughly 30,000 a month might need replacement, that it's a matter of transparency. Lutsenko certainly did not say there were 500,000 Ukrainians dead and the war was lost. Viewers provided translations of statements to make this clear. RT is thrash tier, so this is clear enough.

Pope Francis finally specifically condemns Russia as an aggressor in this war.

 

[Brain Problems]

While its annoying, remember Russia's leader doesn't care what international opinion of him is, and we've seen how that's turning out.

International consensus is important for international order.

I know where you're coming from but when the entire world sans tinpot Afreekan shitholes, China, Iran, and Turkmenistan-tier soviet backwaters are against Russia rolling tanks into Kyiv I don't know what international order of rules needs to be adhered to unless I'm not understanding your overall point?

I just don't see how pissing off people that are A) Russia B) already supporting Russia C) hate the West/USA makes a lick of difference outside of them rattling their cages more unless your argument is that they might do worse things which, okay fair enough, but haven't we been hustled for years about X being an escalation watch out!!! We already handed Ukraine long-range missiles and they used them responsibly and effectively and I don't see anything except vatnik moaning, unless we're going to do some 4D Charlie Day stuff to explain Israel/Palestine Red Sea flare ups.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Z-Zisters...

To be an ethnic minority in Russia is to serve Ziggers forever.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Z-Zisters...
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To be an ethnic minority in Russia is to serve Ziggers forever.

I see these and I always ask in my head "Was it worth it?"
How many bodies have to be stacked up for it to stop seeming "heroic" and be properly horrifying to these people?

 

[Ookoo Squad]

5-10C

Only? Where the hell do you live, Florida? It's a good -30 here / powerlevel.

 

[Scout Trooper]

Z-Zisters...
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To be an ethnic minority in Russia is to serve Ziggers forever.

51-year-old brigade commander just up and died, huh? Whelp, nothing more to that story... I'm sure... moving along...

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Changing EU voting to circumvent a central European conman might seem excessive to EU politicians and it is a very convoluted process. Basically bribing him with EU money seems simpler. Perhaps also some are content at the Orbán brake it might lead sooner to a return of the glory days of dodgy Putin bucks being poured into their pockets. They're not going to literally say: 'I want to be a kept (wo)man' again but it's the situation.

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Basically RT falsified what a Ukrainian opposition politician Lutsenko said. What this veteran had said was that Ukrainian casualties need to made clear given how 500,000 are said to be needed in the new mobilisation, as roughly 30,000 a month might need replacement, that it's a matter of transparency. Lutsenko certainly did not say there were 500,000 Ukrainians dead and the war was lost. Viewers provided translations of statements to make this clear. RT is thrash tier, so this is clear enough.

Pope Francis finally specifically condemns Russia as an aggressor in this war.

People also tend to assume casualties = KIA.
Though in this case, honestly to best analyze the war one needs to look at who's losing the most vehicles and aircraft.

Only? Where the hell do you live, Florida? It's a good -30 here / powerlevel.

Its like 20C in North Florida FYI

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Z-Zisters...
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To be an ethnic minority in Russia is to serve Ziggers forever.

I see these and I always ask in my head "Was it worth it?"
How many bodies have to be stacked up for it to stop seeming "heroic" and be properly horrifying to these people?

51-year-old brigade commander just up and died, huh? Whelp, nothing more to that story... I'm sure... moving along...

A Colonel killed in the Storm Shadow strike on Crimea, January 4, 2024, joins him in Zigger Valhalla:

 

[Ghostse]

The problem is. you've only made the argument for sending 12 ATACMS at a time and not a total of only 12 ATACMS.

Right, but at the speed of government you deliver 12, review to make sure it was effective, then sign the reqs and ship the next batch. The pulse width will shorten as they work out the bugs and develop better trust with those involved.

I'm not disagreeing with taking issues with the speed/volume of the delivery of proven systems within reason - i.e. Ukraine has gone nearly 8 months without having a soviet brained commander feeding bradleys single file into pre-zeroed artillery during daylight, they can probably be trusted with another divisions worth - I'm just getting people who say "Ukraine needs trident-equiped B-24s tomorrow or NATO is genociding slavs to create a forever war" to slow their roll and there are good, proven reasons for not just letting them have run of the armory, and to get them to realize that these things take time especially when you want to make sure you don't want to have another rogue state on your hands at the end.

And in the case of the Germans, reminding everyone that the country's leadership is still a bunch of Stazi stooges so cucking to Russia when it comes down to rubber meeting the road shouldn't be a shock.

Basically RT falsified what a Ukrainian opposition politician Lutsenko said. What this veteran had said was that Ukrainian casualties need to made clear given how 500,000 are said to be needed in the new mobilisation, as roughly 30,000 a month might need replacement, that it's a matter of transparency. Lutsenko certainly did not say there were 500,000 Ukrainians dead and the war was lost. Viewers provided translations of statements to make this clear. RT is thrash tier, so this is clear enough.

People also tend to assume casualties = KIA.
Though in this case, honestly to best analyze the war one needs to look at who's losing the most vehicles and aircraft.

The other thing you need to remember with Replacement figures is that's not even casualties. That includes people who's draft term is up, people who age out, non-combat related injuries and accidents (people still die of natural causes, Patton was on the front but died in a jeep accident, etc) as well as combat-related injuries and deaths.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Scholz has recently talked a good deal about aid suggesting his allies are doing too little (eg Scholz calls for more UA aid). However, even if his actions are as warm as his words, Germany would need a lot of time to be able to churn out munitions as the US and Russia can do it.

The 30k replacement could be men due for rotation out for rest or as their contract expires, but also those who minds or bodies fail them and need recuperation or replacement. War is very much about managing the finite resource of fit and experienced men.

Kyiv Independent citing a Politico report of an EU commissioner's remarks says a Trump America would not help Europe if attacked.

Donald Trump said at a meeting at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2020 that if Europe was attacked, the U.S. would not come to its support, Politico reported on Jan. 10, citing European Commissioner for the Internal Market Thierry Breton.

Trump is currently ahead in the polls to become the Republican nomination for the 2024 U.S. presidential election, which is set to be held in November.

Speaking at an event in the European Parliament in Brussels on Jan. 9, Breton said that Trump told European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen that "you need to understand that if Europe is under attack we will never come to help you."

Breton, who was also present at the meeting in Davos, said that Trump also claimed that "NATO is dead," and that the U.S. will "quit" the alliance.

"You owe me $400 billion, because you didn’t pay, you Germans, what you had to pay for defense," Trump said, according to Breton.

"That was a big wake-up call and he may come back," Breton said at the event on Jan. 9. "Now more than ever, we know that we are on our own."

Trump in a second term would likely appoint loyalists in key roles in the military and intelligence community, allowing him to implement more isolationist policies, multiple U.S. officials told the press on Dec. 18.

If this is accurate, it would be both unprecedented and stupid. The US owes its independence to French aid and repeatedly the US helped Europe. It helps as Europe is one of the poles of the Western Alliance. It would be deeply foolish as the BRICS jackals (who normally hate each other more than they hate others, say India and China) would be utterly delighted at such a foolish move. Perhaps Trump is listening too much to advisors wholly under the influence of Putin.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Or Trump was using negotiating tactics to try and shake the shiftless continentals out of their complacency regarding contributing to their own defense.

 

[delerious?]

Ukrainian FPV & dropped payloads:

I assume this stuff isn't standardised widely? I've seen it standardised on a unit-to-unit basis but ususally only the mounts for specific munitions are craft built (or in the case of dropped munitions, stabilising fins). Interesting to see the ingenuity coming from war (reinforcing that war breeds innovation).