Mega Rad Gun Thread

[The Delta Farce]

Can anyone ID the belt fed suppressor in this photo?

 

[Club Sandwich]

Can anyone ID the belt fed suppressor in this photo?
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hard to say, could be HSLD contract, something purpose built, or something adapted from something else. it's not the AAC MG-SD i've used a couple times, and i've also seen some adapted Sionics or MAC (and rarely a Ciener suppressors) from 9mm SMGs that were from old inventory shortened and run wet for 7.62 purposes. they didn't last more than a belt, but sometimes that's all you needed. GSL did some really innovative stuff with small suppressors so maybe it's related to a project of his? since the gear in the pic is fairly modern it could be something from B&T or SIG or any number of recent IDIQ solicitors.

edit:
found it: protoype SIG suppressor explicitly for the NGSW project

 

[Dean Pentel]

I have a younger friend who's interested in getting his first gun. He's torn on what he wants right now, and I don't think the advice of myself, one person alone (and I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination either) is good enough to help him.

We talked a bit and right now he's boiled down his choices to: Handgun, a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun, or some kind of PCC. He doesn't want a rifle like an AR or anything. I asked him why and he said because he's worried about penetration. I told him that handgun bullets can actually penetrate more than a Rifle depending on what kind of rifle/what kind of handgun. But he didn't really believe me.

Thoughts?

Do you own anything he can get some trigger time on to help him make the decision?

A coworker asked me for similar advice. I gave her much of the same advice @Club Sandwich gave to you. She asked me whether to get a pistol or a shotgun. I told her I'd let her fire some of my weapons and that would help clarify some of the things I'd explained to her.

We went to a local indoor ranger and she ran one my M&Ps and one of my ARs. She supplied her own ammo. Since she wanted a weapon only to deal with threats on her property and not something she'd walk around with, she settled on a rifle.

If your friend has an idea of what he's shooting at, how far away he expects his targets to typically be, and how often he'll want the weapon available, all that info can also help guide his decision.

Edited to add: I may have talked about this before. A thing that helped tremendously with improving my pistol shooting skills, especially with calibers that recoil more like 10mm, is shooting strong hand only. The reason this is beneficial is because one has to consistently properly execute the fundamentals ("prep-sights-press") to make their intended hits. Sometimes the support hand can be a crutch that mitigates dogshit marksmanship techniques. Like, it'll be damn obvious when you're crushing the gun, so you'll know what not to do for the following shots. Give a try if you've never done it before. Unless you're brand new I don't think it'll be helpful to do this much in dry fire practice. But devote the next 5-7 live fire sessions to single hand only shooting, be honest with your results, and I'm certain you'll come away a better shooter.

 

[AGPinochet]

An updated image of the Plastikov FRT by S3


MAC That feeds from Grease Gun magazines by Dev UnseenKiller


Ruger P90 that also feeds from Grease Gun Mags, By I believe Dev Print.The.Revolution


MAC lower that takes Scorpion Evo mags, by Dev DB Firearms


MAC that hinges open like an AR, also by DB


"Roland oli soturi keskiyön auringon maasta"

"Mutta kaikista Thompson-tykkimiehistä Roland oli paras"

"CIA päätti, että he halusivat Rolandin kuolevan, joten paskiainen Van Owen puhalsi Rolandin päästä"

Printed Lower and furniture, AR FCG, Suomi Drum.


The BBC has confirmed the presence of Printed Armaments in Scotland

https://archive.ph/Ij3Dw

What is I believe an experimental XM214 "Microgun" mounted on a logistics buggy thingy


If the above is a Microgun, this is a Nanogun (can't believe it took someone this long to strap and electric motor to one of these)

Technical Details

You may doubt the direction and trends of the American Firearms Market, but you can never say it is anything but innovative, Gatling.... Grip?

You can now print a version of that "totally not a stock" thing for handguns that requires you to actively hold it in place


The Dev behind the MAC Super Safety trip has reported that testing looks promising but he has concerns regarding durability as the trip is only 0.76mm thick

 

[The Dude]

So there is a super rare Mauser 06/08 for sale. These were prototypes that were intended to take the place of the venerable C96 in Mauser's lineup. Instead of .30 Mauser or 9mm Para of the Broomhandle, they would chamber their own 9x21mm Mauser cartridge that was much hotter. Because of the hotter ammunition, they utilized a unique flapper locked action. There weren't many made, maybe 100 or so, and the highest known serial number to exist is 77.

So, uhh...anyone got a spare fifty-five grand they'd be willing to slide my way?

https://investmentsinarms.com/product/mauser-m1906-08-with-10-shot-magazine/

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Does bullet weight matter all the much when it comes to pistols? Say, the difference between 115gr and 147gr 9mm. I know with precision rifle shooting it sometimes can, but what difference does it make in pistols?

 

[Club Sandwich]

what difference does it make in pistols

felt recoil, bullet velocity, which can greatly affect bullet effectiveness on a target, trajectory over a distance, ability to participate in some competitions, some pistols might not like heavy 9mm loads due to OAL issues with feed ramp geometry, magazine geometry, et c. POI at farther ranges can also be unexpected if you don't calibrate sights, as most factory 9mm pistols will be sighted at 50 meters with 115gr (this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer and chambering to chambering).

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Does bullet weight matter all the much when it comes to pistols? Say, the difference between 115gr and 147gr 9mm. I know with precision rifle shooting it sometimes can, but what difference does it make in pistols?

Specifically regarding lethality there are thousands of opinions, articles, papers, studies both scientific and anecdotal as everyone has an opinion on what makes the deadliest thing possible. I for one do not have a good answer for you but, I do have a strong opinion I feel makes the most sense. Billions have been spent on R&D on how to make the deadliest projectile and LE groups have spent billions of rounds testing to see what is the most lethal. So my conclusion? I simply chose the hottest caliber that I could reliably double tap and then found out the most popular brand/load as used by LE. At the time it was is .40S&W Winchester brand "ranger" 180 grain, this may have changed since then.

Regarding accuracy, I don't think you will ever notice the difference in accuracy if you are shooting 9mm from a standard 5" barrel with iron sights between 147 and 115. I buy cheap reloads or just 115 Winchester white box, nothing wrong with %99 of factory loaded 9mm ammo. Are you shooting an actual pistol or a PCC? I could understand wanting a more accurate load from a PCC at 100 yards.

You can now print a version of that "totally not a stock" thing for handguns that requires you to actively hold it in place
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The Dev behind the MAC Super Safety trip has reported that testing looks promising but he has concerns regarding durability as the trip is only 0.76mm thick
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Honestly the "not a pistol stock" thing, it's so stupid is brilliant. I have played with a few registered SBR's including that really basic bitch Glock stock made by Mako? was it? IMHO the whole SBR regulation thing was stupid, even for the NFA it was a dumb idea. Even in countries where firearms are regulated to death the SBR thing is much more reasonable and realistic.

Was the super safety the thing that forced the trigger forward? For simulated FA? I have not played with one of those but SA macs and the clones are famous for horrible "trigger slap" I'm not processing how one will help you dump rounds and one will just cause a sore finger. What am I missing here?


For reason # 2,976 why I will not reside in CA anymore, meet Leland Yee. Tough on violent video games, not very tough on crime and very tough on guns, Leland was CA senator out of San Fransico.


Leland really did not like the idea there were scary guns owned by mean scary white people who voted for the "other guys".



This is Leland's friend and business associate Raymond "Shrimp boy" Chow, he was involved in many things including murder, assault with a deadly weapon, firearms trafficking, racketeering, blah blah blah, it goes on for a while.
Wiki on Shrimp Boy


Ripped from Lelands wiki

"2015, Yee pleaded guilty to felony racketeering charges for money laundering, political corruption, arms trafficking, and bribery. Yee was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) on March 26, 2014, on charges related to public corruption and gun trafficking—specifically, buying automatic firearms and shoulder-launched missiles from the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), an Islamist extremist group located in the southern Philippines and attempting to re-sell those weapons to an undercover FBI agent, as well as accepting a $10,000 bribe from an undercover agent in exchange for placing a call to the California Department of Public Health regarding a contract at the organization."

Yee was one of the toughest anti gun people in CA, which really means something, and he's caught brokering deals on machineguns and rocket launchers, in addition to just being another Democrat scumbag political cocksucker. Leland ended up doing 5 years federal, which really is not much if you think about it. He was also charged I think? not certain if convicted? Of stealing sun tan lotion in Hawaii on vacation or something retarded like that. Regular old $8 sun tan lotion, what a class act.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Regarding accuracy, I don't think you will ever notice the difference in accuracy if you are shooting 9mm from a standard 5" barrel with iron sights between 147 and 115. I buy cheap reloads or just 115 Winchester white box, nothing wrong with %99 of factory loaded 9mm ammo. Are you shooting an actual pistol or a PCC? I could understand wanting a more accurate load from a PCC at 100 yards.

Yeah, not so concerned with accuracy, more with penetration/lethality/reliability. I don't own any PCCs at the moment, although I do want a CZ Scorpion someday.

 

[Bassomatic]

so does 300 black like pistons or no?

 

[Troon_Patrol]

so does 300 black like pistons or no?

I thought we all collectively moved past the piston AR fad at this point? I know there are a few high end AR's that use piston but, I think this came out of the now dead and thank god it's dead "M16 VS AK" debate from like 20 years ago. I have heard "oh yeah if you are running a slower projectile like 300BLK you're gonna want that piston" and also heard "oh yeah if you are running suppressed you're gonna want that piston" and exactly the opposite from other sources. I don't think I have seen evidence supporting which one is correct at this point. The only thing I recommend based on personal experience is an adjustable 300BLK gas port especially if you have a short 300BLK. Is anyone actually using a longer than 16" 300BLK barrel?

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

Does bullet weight matter all the much when it comes to pistols? Say, the difference between 115gr and 147gr 9mm. I know with precision rifle shooting it sometimes can, but what difference does it make in pistols?

felt recoil, bullet velocity, which can greatly affect bullet effectiveness on a target, trajectory over a distance, ability to participate in some competitions, some pistols might not like heavy 9mm loads due to OAL issues with feed ramp geometry, magazine geometry, et c. POI at farther ranges can also be unexpected if you don't calibrate sights, as most factory 9mm pistols will be sighted at 50 meters with 115gr (this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer and chambering to chambering).

Yeah, not so concerned with accuracy, more with penetration/lethality/reliability. I don't own any PCCs at the moment, although I do want a CZ Scorpion someday.

9mm 124gr is known to have lower penetration then 147gr. In addition in order to be effective most 124gr require +p pressures to get the required velocity. This can be an issue if you are using a gun not rated for +p. Most new handguns on the market in 9mm are +p rated however check with the manufacturer before choosing an ammo. That being said, in a handgun you will likely have less felt recoil from a 124gr vs 147. Some people want that for faster follow up shots. I personally prefer 147 but your best bet is to get some a try both.

Some other things you will see in self defense ammo are bonding and tipped.
Bonding is when the lead core is molecularly bonded to the jacket instead of just pressed together during assembly. This is seen in things like Winchester Ranger Bonded (LE only, fuckers), and Speer Gold Dot.

Tipped pistol rounds were first introduced by Hornady about 10 years ago in Critical Duty and Critical Defense. They put a soft tip into the hollowpoint cavity to prevent the issue of fabric clogging and preventing expansion while still allowing cavity to expand once past the fabric layers. This was patented by them and the only thing to come close is Winchester Ranger One (again LE only) and USA Ready Defense. These use a plastic insert to prevent fabric from clogging the hollowpoint cavity while still allowing expansion once it hits the soft squishy bits. I know the fabric clogging hollowpoint was an issue LE ran into 10-20 years ago however I have no idea how well these 2 systems work or if they are just gimmicks.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I have a younger friend who's interested in getting his first gun. He's torn on what he wants right now, and I don't think the advice of myself, one person alone (and I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination either) is good enough to help him.

We talked a bit and right now he's boiled down his choices to: Handgun, a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun, or some kind of PCC. He doesn't want a rifle like an AR or anything. I asked him why and he said because he's worried about penetration. I told him that handgun bullets can actually penetrate more than a Rifle depending on what kind of rifle/what kind of handgun. But he didn't really believe me.

Thoughts?

If you're worried about pen, something in 380 auto or 38 special is solid. There's pretty decent ammo for both any more. A hand gun is also just more versatile, you can CCW it, not just keep it at home like a shot gun

Yeah, not so concerned with accuracy, more with penetration/lethality/reliability. I don't own any PCCs at the moment, although I do want a CZ Scorpion someday.

It depends on what you're going for. A lighter bullet pretty well always goes faster, which means less drop. 115 grain 9mm is great at that. But it also sheds energy faster. Heavier bullets hold onto energy longer. With +p you can usually get around the same speeds as lighter loads, but you'll have more recoil and wear on the gun, even if it's built for it.

You also have to factor in if it's a hollow point or not, and what type. Do research into that. Three brands I can think of off my head that are pretty good are Hornady, Speer gold dot, and as a wild card, federal. Also depends on your gun and barrel length.

 

[Club Sandwich]

so does 300 black like pistons or no?

Is anyone actually using a sub 16" 300BLK barrel?

yes, plenty of people jumped on the "rattler" train with a 9" (or so) .300 BLK carbine with attached suppressor for an OAL of at or under 13". add a folding stock on some piston-based designs and it's very handy for DSS and some other special duties. hog hunters also like and use .300 BLK as a bush gun owing to an easy conversion kit from an AR and much less costly then .450 BM or using 1 oz slugs.

Winchester Ranger Bonded (LE only, fuckers)

you can just buy Ranger Bonded like any other ammo. Winchester sell direct only to LE and Fed, but they don't care if the distributors sell to non LE. Ranger-T is also often marked LE only on packaging (much like how 50 round "Duty" ammunition of Gold Dots are marked LE only and it's just a packaging thing. Ranger Bonded has overpenetration issues in the MP5 and similar and isn't used in those weapons typically because of that. in a pistol it's probably "okay" but if someone was concerned about overpenetration going with a bonded projectile probably isn't a good idea.

I know the fabric clogging hollowpoint was an issue LE ran into 10-20 years ago however I have no idea how well these 2 systems work or if they are just gimmicks.

fabric clogging was an issue with early wide-nosed hollowpoints and is one reason why Golden Sabers fell out of favor (along with the jacket separation issue). a polymer ballistic tip helped a lot but the ideal fix was with the HST offering a narrower nose geometry and letting it "paper punch" through fabric then open suddenly once the cavity was filled, overcoming reliable expansion. the HST was developed with some lessons learned from the previous attempt to overcome the issue with the center post of the Hydra-Shok ammunition. other companies twigged on to the geometry change and clogging isn't as much of a problem any more unless you're shooting larger calibers like .45.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Speaking of HSTs, would 147gr HSTs be a good option from a 16"+ PCC barrel? Goal is to have some stopping power within 50-100 yards at the most.

Initially thought about going for 124gr +P HSTs but that velocity could get in the way of proper expansion, so leaning towards the slower 147gr now.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Speaking of HSTs, would 147gr HSTs be a good option from a 16"+ PCC barrel? Goal is to have some stopping power within 50-100 yards at the most.

Initially thought about going for 124gr +P HSTs but that velocity could get in the way of proper expansion, so leaning towards the slower 147gr now.

147gr HST might have problems expanding consistently out of a 16" barrel. these pistols rounds are generally designed for 3-5" barrels and hollow points, being velocity dependent, can encounter performance problems if they are too fast or too slow. 124gr 9mm Gold Dots or HST (both normal pressure and overpressure) seems to work pretty good from a Colt 6951 (10 inch barrel i think). Golden Saber 147gr was the old school load used in the Colt SMG and Ruger PC-9 with suppressors in the 90's and earlier and functioned reliably and with great authority. also consider Cor-Bon DPX 9mm as i know a good number of people with cheap 9mm carbines that get good performance doing mule deer hunting and personal protection, the Ruger M77/357 comes to mind.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

147gr HST might have problems expanding consistently out of a 16" barrel. these pistols rounds are generally designed for 3-5" barrels and hollow points, being velocity dependent, can encounter performance problems if they are too fast or too slow. 124gr 9mm Gold Dots or HST (both normal pressure and overpressure) seems to work pretty good from a Colt 6951 (10 inch barrel i think). Golden Saber 147gr was the old school load used in the Colt SMG and Ruger PC-9 with suppressors in the 90's and earlier and functioned reliably and with great authority. also consider Cor-Bon DPX 9mm as i know a good number of people with cheap 9mm carbines that get good performance doing mule deer hunting and personal protection, the Ruger M77 comes to mind.

Interesting, thanks. The reason why I thought 147gr would make a good option was based on these charts which indicated only a 70~ fps difference between an 16" barrel and a 5" barrel for 147gr HST. Sounds like I should get some gel blocks...

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html

 

[Club Sandwich]

Interesting, thanks. The reason why I thought 147gr would make a good option was based on these charts which indicated only a 70~ fps difference between an 16" barrel and a 5" barrel for 147gr HST. Sounds like I should get some gel blocks...

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html

i mean, 147gr HST aren't spitballs even if they're not performing as intended. try buying a small box and trying it out - worst outcome is some trigger time and knowledge gained.

 

[AGPinochet]

What am I missing here?

Assuming that the Trigger slap was caused by the MAC's FCG then the problem wouldn't exist because the Super Safety is designed to work with an AR FCG. So the guy is working on a trip that will interact with the Super Safety in an AR FCG equipped printed lower.

So apparently American ex special forces and tactical guys are just straight up training Chinese SF who enter the country as civilians

https://archive.ph/ceNTP

The Mat-9/BRN-9 Evo magazine lower has entered open beta


ATF Stats on NFA Processing


And a shocking admission


Long slide Makarov


I've found a guy with a small channel doing some relatively advanced custom gunsmithing, including making his own carbon fiber handguard

https://www.youtube.com/@NotaGuntuber/videos

https://odysee.com/@NotaGunTuber:a?view=content

News from the frontlines of the war on MG Conversions
Police in Columbus, Ohio said they recovered 75 glock swtiches in 2023, while in 2021 they seized a whopping 0. An official states that during one "Initiative" in Cleveland Ohio, police seized "nearly 60" in 90 days

 

[Seafarer]

IMHO the whole SBR regulation thing was stupid, even for the NFA it was a dumb idea. Even in countries where firearms are regulated to death the SBR thing is much more reasonable and realistic.

Reminder that the SBR and SBS tax in the NFA was done to close a loophole that existed in the original draft of the NFA that taxed handguns as well (most of the public in the 1930’s was in favor of a total handgun ban btw). Obviously they didn’t want the plebs to just bubba up their shotgun or rifle and get the concealability benefit of a handgun. It was last minute lobbying that got the handgun ban taken out of the NFA, but the SBR and SBS retardation still exists as a legal appendix.