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I see your point, but still disagree here. They were both friends with the moderators. Baby doxer appeared repeatedly on Agent Proper's monetized streams, and one of the three instances where Agent Proper was encouraging people to harass Phil in real life and vandalize his home, it was directly inspired by the fake British dude. Closeted mod was encouraging the Comcast criminal and sweeping up for baby doxer. Their questionable posts were all showered almost exclusively with praise.

I'm not saying literally every soul in the subforum is complicit, but if you choose to ignore the pathology of this pervasive issue then you can never hope to solve it. I'm glad that at least we can respectfully share our perspectives in peace now. That's one problem solved!
Sins of the mods don't correlate directly with sins of the broader user base (outside no negative rating stickers from them). I'm also happy that we can have a reasonable discourse, and not just shit on strangers on the internet.
 
Baby doxer appeared repeatedly on Agent Proper's monetized streams, and one of the three instances where Agent Proper was encouraging people to harass Phil in real life and vandalize his home, it was directly inspired by the fake British dude.
At this point you should probably make a thread. This is all new information to me even though I lurked this subforum for years.
 
Nigel got over 70 stickers, all of which were positive on trying to get DSP's account banned. And tangentially? Nigga, you guys doxed a baby down to its birth weight. Could have left it out but you guys didn't. It says a lot
Also the main point isn't just this retarded doxing of barely-relevant children, it's the fact that @clothes in my closet shut down all criticism of it and moved it all to the whiner thread. The mods were complicit in this behavior, and even encouraged it, while shielding the subforum from any and all outside skepticism.
 
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At this point you should probably make a thread. This is all new information to me even though I lurked this subforum for years.
I'll set aside time to compile and properly link the relevant posts so the information is "collected" in case someone else wants to make that thread, but I'd rather not get my fingerprints on this trainwreck of a subforum by becoming a thread OP. Tag me dumb or autistic, but it'd bother me.
 
I'll set aside time to compile and properly link the relevant posts so the information is "collected" in case someone else wants to make that thread, but I'd rather not get my fingerprints on this trainwreck of a subforum by becoming a thread OP. Tag me dumb or autistic, but it'd bother me.
Just PM me them here, I obviously have no shame in my game, I'd make it just the facts, leave it to the viewers of the thread to draw their own conclusions.
 
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Amen. Here, all these scattered examples have been gathered up and put into a quite ugly picture. If you cannot see that picture, and why doxing BABIES 3x removed from Phil is wrong and immoral, you hate this guy way too much
I'm certainly willing to learn. Can you please explain to me the ethics of doxxing?

You describe it as "wrong and immoral". Do you view it as inherently unacceptable behavior?
It sounds like there is some sort of behavior from a person that makes it acceptable to "do" to them as some sort of retribution that they now "deserve". Like it's some sort of punishment. What in you view makes someone suddenly deserving of this?
Is it somehow related to a person's age?
What makes someone "innocent" from having their public information posted?
Is it diminished capacity? Like maybe we shouldn't dox literal retards?

One of the prominent DSP orbiters who was doxxed was 17 at the time, and is a literal retard who had Playlists of "hot little girls" in YouTube channel. Was it "unethical" to repost the public information he posts about himself?

So when Phil's long-time mod was doxxed his family also shouldn't have been? Doxxing someone's family at the same time is a pretty common practice.

Do you view the child's mother as "wrong and immoral" for publicly doxxing her child to the internet? Or is it just the person reposting the information she made public?

Is KiwiFarms and inherently "wrong and immoral" place for allowing people's public information to be hosted?
 
Doxxing someone's family at the same time is a pretty common practice.
To be clear, the janny's sister's newborn was separately doxed over an entire year later. The baby hadn't even been conceived when the janny was originally doxed.

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the fact that they got little pushback from users here, doesn't produce intent for the subforum as a whole.
Forgive me for repeating what has been repeated already but, yes it does. It cannot mean anything else. People support it because they do not take issue with it. Literally one hundred percent of all sticker reactions to both posts doxing children tangentially related to DSP were positive. According to some posts a few pages back in this thread, people criticizing the posts were swept up by the former jannies who Null just demodded. What else can those two things mean, other than that the subforum generally supports doxing random children? I am not saying every single person does - just in general - which is what generally dictates the direction of a board's culture. Like how not every single person on 4chan is racist, but racial pejoratives are generally accepted there.
personally im not sure if pearl grabbing is smart on a web site like this
It is not pearl clutching to take polite issue with doxing children barely related to lolcows. You have to be melanated not to recognize that.
 
Forgive me for repeating what has been repeated already but, yes it does. It cannot mean anything else. People support it because they do not take issue with it.
Are we really descending into twitter-tier language like "silence is violence" for DSP now? Did I log into Reddit by mistake?

It's no one's job but the jannies to clean up, and the jannies obviously weren't doing their job in the way Null wanted them to. So replace the jannies with people who will enforce the rules Null wants enforced. It really seems that simple.
 
I think it speaks volumes about the true character of some of the users on the subforum after we adopted what they asked for. Instead of Null screeching and banning big profiles, we provided the users here with exact posts from this subforum, factual statements that the users themselves can verify, and highlighted in a structured manner what other forum-goers at large might find contentious. This is exactly what I was initially asking Null and his orbiters to do as well. Thankfully users like @The Yellow Dart stepped up beyond the ad hominems, and brought in the facts and arguments. They provided the links. Ostensibly, this is what people on this subforum wanted, instead of talking to the brick wall that was Null.

What do we get in response? We get people refusing at all to acknowledge that one of their biggest profiles encouraged them to seek half-naked pictures of adolescent kids. They ignore the fact that they savagely insulted someone who was going to interview Phil, over the course of weeks, because of a tenuous claim that he was a grifter or a dentractor. They ignore the fact that this was uncontested at large and even covered by the moderation staff.

Instead, we get false equivalencies to situations that are not at all equivalent, and insults. Even if the situations were equivalent, it does not excuse the fact that what has happened here on a systemic basis was gross. Just because others are doing something wrong does not give you an excuse to do it yourself. If you think someone else is doing something against the site's conduct, then report them. Other boards actually have functioning moderation. Otherwise, you are doing exactly what you accused Null of doing. You ignore arguments. You refuse to even acknowledge that they exist. You insult others for not agreeing with you. I think there is a word for that.

So replace the jannies with people who will enforce the rules Null wants enforced. It really seems that simple.
It hopefully is that simple. I don't really want to see this subforum gone. I think most people just want the a-logging and terminally online faggots to be gone. Phil is funny on a cosmic level. The dentractors are not.
 
Are we really descending into twitter-tier language like "silence is violence" for DSP now? Did I log into Reddit by mistake?

It's no one's job but the jannies to clean up, and the jannies obviously weren't doing their job in the way Null wanted them to. So replace the jannies with people who will enforce the rules Null wants enforced. It really seems that simple.
I am glad you completely agree with me aside from your dumbass politisperg mental illness. But that is almost sane compared to the average DSPtard.
The sentiment I am expressing here about the degenerate nature of this subforum's culture is exactly the same as Null's. So, case closed, right? But you probably take issue with that too.
 
Also the main point isn't just this retarded doxing of barely-relevant children, it's the fact that @clothes in my closet shut down all criticism of it and moved it all to the whiner thread. The mods were complicit in this behavior, and even encouraged it, while shielding the subforum from any and all outside skepticism.
The mods thing was shocking most of all. The reason if anything why this bad behavior has gone on for so long is because the mods were in on it. If anything, a mod of this subforum shouldn't know who DSP is.
I'm certainly willing to learn. Can you please explain to me the ethics of doxxing?

You describe it as "wrong and immoral". Do you view it as inherently unacceptable behavior?
It sounds like there is some sort of behavior from a person that makes it acceptable to "do" to them as some sort of retribution that they now "deserve". Like it's some sort of punishment. What in you view makes someone suddenly deserving of this?
Is it somehow related to a person's age?
What makes someone "innocent" from having their public information posted?
Is it diminished capacity? Like maybe we shouldn't dox literal retards?

One of the prominent DSP orbiters who was doxxed was 17 at the time, and is a literal retard who had Playlists of "hot little girls" in YouTube channel. Was it "unethical" to repost the public information he posts about himself?

So when Phil's long-time mod was doxxed his family also shouldn't have been? Doxxing someone's family at the same time is a pretty common practice.

Do you view the child's mother as "wrong and immoral" for publicly doxxing her child to the internet? Or is it just the person reposting the information she made public?

Is KiwiFarms and inherently "wrong and immoral" place for allowing people's public information to be hosted?
Nig, are you over 5? If I have to explain how doxing a infant weeks out of the womb is bad, and that's a hard red line, you have a negative IQ.
 
You should really see the Becca thread then, would really blow your mind.

ACKSUALLY, while I’d hate for any of you faggots to get a heart attack, there’s a picture of a newborn baby on the front page. (And not just mentioned like in Nigel’s post.)

WHAAAAA?!? A PICTURE OF A NEWBORN?! Why, Null is unhinged and out of control! Won’t somebody think of the children?!

To sum up: Getting mad over doxxing, a totally legal practice, on what is widely described as “a doxxing forum” is retarded.
I don't base what I agree or disagree with in what's legal or illegal, and I don't care about doxing, but I don't see the point of doxing kids, and whether faggots elsewhere on this site do it too is irrelevant to me.

But saying you can see half-naked kids if you just go to [insert link] with a Derich reference is borderline "you should be lined up against the wall" stuff imo.

Also appeals to Null are meaningless to me. Yes he has a cool forum I use, he's also a retarded illiterate sperg, and I don't look upto him or care about his perspective on anything, and I've watched enough of his streams over the years to be confident in that view.

@Shirō Ishii is one of the better posters here imo so this shit takes me aback. Like, wtf happened to get to the point where you're doxing completely irrelevant infants and joking about fapping to their half nude photos? That's 100% dentractor territory.
 
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@WelperHelper99 Then why is it on the front page? You can literally see the umbilical cord in one photo.
Please explain what about doxing is "bad"?
You seem to be implying that it is an inherently harmful or unacceptable thing that is only allowed if certain criteria is met?
What is the ethics and guiding philosophy of this doxing "hard red line" that makes it acceptable or unacceptable?

Why won't you be nice and explain it to me? I just want to learn why doxing is so bad.

Timboslice was a prominent and longtime mod of Phil. He is a lolcow in his own right, regardless of whether he's currently involved in the DSPere he is still a lolcow. He was giving Phil hundreds of dollars while in the middle of what we found out was his like 3rd bankruptcy, and when asked he called the few thousand he gave Phil in the years leading up to his 3rd bankruptcy "whatever money", among other things that have shown him to be an hilarious retard. Why would doxing the family of a lolcow be unacceptable?

Many of Phil's fans, mods, and orbiters are lolcows in their own right. We have an entire thread where many of them have been doxed. Some of them are literally retarded, some of them have been under 18, there's one we have a thread on (Jetrex) who is a convicted child sex abuser currently serving time and his legal doxs including what he did and his relation to the person are posted here, etc.

Can you please just plainly state what makes posting someone's publicly available information "bad" or unacceptable? I didn't know you weren't allowed to do that on KiwiFarms.

I thought you want to help to clean up the board culture but mostly all you seem to be interested in is name-calling and invective?
 
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I'm dropping the # but that's mostly because I don't know if it's real anymore.

Whitepage'ing someone is a Kiwi Farms tradition. It's the ultimate "I'm not touching you!".
As far as I'm aware this is KiwiFarms stance on it from staff members and prominent users. Timboslice is a lolcow. Why would adding his niece's dox to his be "bad", "wrong", or a "hard red line"?
I think that a lot of you don't understand where you are. We try, in Beauty Parlour, to maintain a kind of separate space for you guys, away from the rest of the site, and we will continue to do so. But this is Kiwi Farms. If a cow has information out in the public domain, it's fair game here. There are members of this site who spend most of their time doxing the people we talk about. These people are widely admired for being good at finding dox. That's Kiwi Farms culture.

If you find doxing unethical, you're in the wrong place.

the ethics discussion has convinced me there is only one ethical result of the debate.

And it is DOX EVERYONE. EVERY FUCKING TIME. DOX FUCKING EVERYONE.

I am a philosopher of ethics. I am literally a doctor of ethics. DOX EVERYONE.

Nick's stream gets dumb the moment there is bullshit about "ethics" of doxing.

There ARE no ethics.

Just fucking dox them. Don't try to pretend you have ethics when you're doing that shit. Just fucking dox everyone.

You're not the sole contributor to this but you are the one that caught my eye.

As has been repeated multiple times it isn't punishment. We're not here to punish people or harass them. We're here to document. Documentation includes everything publicly available. Which includes addresses and phone numbers.

Why would we want that? Because it makes finding more content easier and enables people who might have first hand experiences to find us and give us info. You know what you can do with a phone number?

Confirm identities
Find Facebook profiles
Find publicly postings ebegging on tumblr
Determine businesses they might operate

I've gotten all four with phone numbers alone which, as always, brings in more content. Anyone who has issues on the ethics and optics of doxing needs to yell at the government instead of us because the amount of information on you in the wild and freely available by your own government is staggering.

Doxing is fun.



Yes we absolutely are.

It took me like five minutes to find out you're an obese fatty with an eating disorder who got raped as a child and spent time in mental institutions and now here I am telling everyone about it.

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Now I need to dox your rapist so I can send him my condolences.

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lol your husband is a garbage collector so I can't tell if this is your wedding or just him at work

lol what kind of idiot signs up here with their real DOB?

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I've been following this from the beginning and see the goalposts on both sides moving constantly. This can all be boiled down to one simple statement: This is Nulls fault.

Here me out before you blow a gasket on me. It's his website. He allowed the mods to be put in place. He's chosen to ignore the DSP side of the site for a while because he hates us. That's fine, but it's your site. If you want the DSP people to integrate/participate in the rest of the site, it's on you to figure out how to do that. Instead, we get tard screeches because someone makes a joke at his expense. Then we get a long and equally tard filled screeching about justifying what we find funny about DSP. Then we get "justification" that the mods are profiting off of the site. Now, we have to all be jannies and report shit.

I come here to laugh at shit, talk about games and check the community happenings thread. Instead, All frequenters of the DSP threads get lumped into this same group of crime-committers against DSP because we hate him so much. And this groupthink idea that users need to do mods jobs is gay and any of you suggesting it seriously are equally gay. You sound like the same jannies that Null covers on his Reddit section of his podcast. I agree the mods did not always do their jobs appropriately. @Agent Proper linked his video's in the main DSP thread. I don't agree with this, but who am I to say something? He's a mod, so must be fine. @clothes in my closet moved a post or two of mine to this thread because I disagreed with the common theme of the Comcast shit. That being it was positive and we should all laugh at DSP's misfortune. I called it out then and still continue to do so. It's not okay to commit crimes for laughs. But again, it's not my job to moderate the thread. It's the mods and Nulls. But to be clear, the majority thought it was funny and wanted more information on it. I wasn't aware of @Shirō Ishii doxing children. I don't really know where I fall on the "ethics" of doxing, but my gut will never accept doxing children unless it was life or death. Even then I don't like it. I don't care if it's "public" info, what good does it do for laughing at DSP? But why hasn't he been temp or perm banned? I've also taken issue with some of the users like @Piece of Peace who constantly tard raged "KILL YOURSELF" on here and his live streams. I don't have a problem with someone taking account of DSP's money and if you do, do you know where you are? But being that unhinged needs some timing out, or removal entirely.

I know Null is busy and a lot of the above will be dismissed because of that, but all of this can also be solved easily enough:

1) Stop sperging out on your user base when you want something from them (will never happen)
2) Remove the mods you don't like and put in mods you do (happening)
3) Take some time to understand what the DSP thread Users find funny/interesting about him and participate every now and then. And not in the I'm going to delete the entire board unless you justify why you find him funny (Maybe happening?)
4) Start handing out temp bans to Users that violate the rules of the thread or the general "don't touch the cow" (Might be happening)

I fully support Null in terms of this site and his goal of keeping the Internet freeish. He's one of the few (if not the only one) trying in this manner. I found the forum through DSP, but I branched out and found a lot of topics I greatly enjoy. Regardless of what happens with all of this shitshow, I'll continue to do so. I also support changing the culture of the DSP board if needed. I like to analyze and laugh at Phil fucking up on his own. I think this is why it frustrated me so much reading dozens of pages of being lumped in with the 20 or so that did agree/enjoy those things. Shit left a really bad taste in my mouth and I guess I expected different from Null seeing as the majority of the Internet does the same thing to him. Regardless, hopefully things get better all around.
 
@WelperHelper99 Then why is it on the front page? You can literally see the umbilical cord in one photo.
Please explain what about doxing is "bad"?
You seem to be implying that it is an inherently harmful or unacceptable thing that is only allowed if certain criteria is met?
What is the ethics and guiding philosophy of this doxing "hard red line" that makes it acceptable or unacceptable?

Why won't you be nice and explain it to me? I just want to learn why doxing is so bad.

Timboslice was a prominent and longtime mod of Phil. He is a lolcow in his own right, regardless of whether he's currently involved in the DSPere he is still a lolcow. He was giving Phil hundreds of dollars while in the middle of what we found out was his like 3rd bankruptcy, and when asked he called the few thousand he gave Phil in the years leading up to his 3rd bankruptcy "whatever money", among other things that have shown him to be an hilarious retard. Why would doxing the family of a lolcow be unacceptable?

Many of Phil's fans, mods, and orbiters are lolcows in their own right. We have an entire thread where many of them have been doxed. Some of them are literally retarded, some of them have been under 18, there's one we have a thread on (Jetrex) who is a convicted child sex abuser currently serving time and his legal doxs including what he did and his relation to the person are posted here, etc.

Can you please just plainly state what makes posting someone's publicly available information "bad" or unacceptable? I didn't know you weren't allowed to do that on KiwiFarms.

I thought you want to help to clean up the board culture but mostly all you seem to be interested in is name-calling and invective?
It's a baby's dox. Legal and right are two different things. It's too far. And who the fuck cares really about Phil's mods? It's overkill.
 
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