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The Pope is Catholic, bears shit in the woods, and new research shows that “men who identify as incels overestimate how much women want physical attractiveness and financial success” in a partner while underestimating the importance of traits such as kindness, humour and loyalty.

Forgive my sarkiness – but I don’t think we needed a study to prove that incels’ barometer for what women want is somewhat wonky. Any woman who has tuned in for any length of time to the incel philosophy (not to mention any straight woman trying to date) would have been able to tell you as much.

Short for “involuntary celibate”, the term incel has myriad connotations, ranging from risible stereotypes to the downright terrifying (incel ideologies have been cited in manifestos for mass killings, although the report suggests the ideology isn’t the main motivation).

Whatever end of the spectrum they fall on, incel beliefs boil down to a simple equation: women owe them sex, but they aren’t delivering. Never does it seem to occur to these men that it’s their attitude towards women that’s the problem – and reason no one wants to date them – rather than their looks or their money.

Not only do women remain with men during difficult financial periods, but also research shows that more and more US women are the breadwinners in their relationships. It’s also worth mentioning that, quite opposite from seeking the most handsome men, one study suggests women are happier with less attractive husbands.

Anecdotally, when it comes to long-term partnership, a sense of humour and thoughtfulness go much further than looks – my boyfriend is gorgeous, obviously, but I love him much more when he cooks a surprise dinner or makes me laugh than when he’s done 20 extra push-ups.

Despite this, incel communities instead discuss frightening ideas like state-mandated girlfriends as serious solutions to their predicament, believing that it would save them from the whole ordeal of dating (which would force them to treat women as human beings!). Why won’t anyone date me?! cry these guys, as they put their finishing touches to a manifesto for keeping women in cages. Truly, a mystery for the ages.

For a worldview that rails against the injustices faced by single, straight men, incel-dom sure does a good job of keeping them that way. The idea that women are only interested in the most preternaturally chiselled men and their bulging bank accounts must fill any guy who falls below the impossible (imaginary) standard with self-pity.

Women (or “foids”, short for “female humanoids” on incel forums), meanwhile, are seen as vapid idiots at best, and sex-slot-machines – into which you just have to pour the right amount of money and/or abs in order to cash out – at worst.

It’s hard not to feel frustrated by this state of affairs, partly because it seems so easy to straighten out; women have been writing books and articlescountering these toxic arguments, as well as offering more realistic accounts of what we’re actually looking for in male partners.

Sure, nice jawlines and money don’t hurt – but the idea that that’s what’s stopping an incel from getting a daterather than the frustration and resentment radiating from his every pore seems pretty convenient on the one hand, and totally self-defeating on the other.

With such a brutal understanding of interpersonal relationships, it’s perhaps no surprise that the study from the University of Swansea reveals incel mental health to be in staggeringly poor shape.

Hatred often comes from unhappiness, and I’d be depressed too if I felt as if the world was configured in such a way as to make my personal fulfilment impossible.

But the good news is that however dark the incel worldview might seem, it is a fantasy. Hopefully this new study, conducted by Dr Andrew Thomas and masters student William Costello will encourage incels to see women as human beings.

Say it with me: women don’t care about your cheekbones, we want to be seen as full human beings. That might not sound like much to ask, but it should be revelatory for the guys who are too busy griping about their facial structure to see the altogether simpler – and far more meaningful – truth. If it takes a study by a man to get that ball rolling, then so be it.
 
What's the point of articles dunking on incels?

Incels are probably the single most hated demographic in society. Normies hate and gear incels more than terrorists and nigger rapists and murderers.
It's rage bait and there's been an increase in incels posting about how awful life is across the internet, so people are becoming more hostile to them compared to when they got nuked off of a lot of sites years back.
 
What's the point of articles dunking on incels?

Incels are probably the single most hated demographic in society. Normies hate and gear incels more than terrorists and nigger rapists and murderers.
Kicking down for me, not for thee.

Or, as @Divine right to rule and @Odd Opossum mentioned, the loneliness epidemic is getting worse. But rather than look for a solution, they pretend it's just losers being whiny and treat it as something to be snarked about.

There are thousands, possibly millions, of military-age men out there with nothing to live for. That's a highly dangerous situation for society, and one that is not going away any time soon.
 
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I want to agree with the article but it's written in the snarkiest way that makes me want to punch the author into a coma. The modern dating pool is shit and some men can't handle the fact that a woman's path in life is no longer restricted to housewife only. It's a shitty time for a lot of people and incels just are the most laughable stereotype because mocking niggers, jews and other minorities will get you in trouble than if you screamed NIGGER!!!!!! in Jackson, Mississippi.
 
The Pope is Catholic
Starting the article off with such an obvious falsehood doesn't bode well for your conclusions.
new research shows that “men who identify as incels overestimate how much women want physical attractiveness and financial success” in a partner while underestimating the importance of traits such as kindness, humour and loyalty.
Case in point, this is fundamentally untrue, as any man with experience with women can handily attest. Kindness, humor, loyalty are secondary traits, and don't raise a man's status in and of themselves. Women don't jump into bed with poor ugly guys of low status just because they have secondary positive traits she claims to care about. And they definitely don't start long-term relationships with them, not until the woman is so old that the man's status finally rises above her own, anyway.

Also the supposedly linked "study" mentioned has no data and is literally just empty conclusions based on talking to a group of subjects, and the researchers then deciding the Incel group were overestimating how women behave. The study didn't look at women to see who they actually date, versus who they claim to be interested in. So it's about as useful as the fake studies vegans like to cite.

In fact the linked "study" spends more time whining about Andrew Tate and accusing men of being violent terrorists, than it makes any real attempt to discuss Incels or women.

The truth is that women lie, especially to themselves and each other, about what they find attractive in men. They don't actually date the sort of men they claim to be attracted to, or maybe even want to be attracted to. Every woman claims to want "nice guy" types and will list some variation of "kindness, funny, loyal" as traits she looks for, but will in reality typically find those types of men either clingy, creepy, or too timid.

No woman will admit to wanting a man who is aggressive, strong, and maybe a bit dangerous, as that's not "feminist" of her and women are socially conditioned to lie about what they find attractive to avoid coming across as shallow and old-fashioned for wanting a masculine man who stays in shape and makes 1.5 times her salary.

Anecdotally, when it comes to long-term partnership, a sense of humour and thoughtfulness go much further than looks – my boyfriend is gorgeous, obviously, but I love him much more when he cooks a surprise dinner or makes me laugh than when he’s done 20 extra push-ups.
I rest my case.

Really, it's weird how many articles like this (and her linked "study") are so desperate to gaslight young men into not working out or dieting, developing their careers, and otherwise giving them bad advice for attracting women for long-term relationships.
 
The truth is that women lie, especially to themselves and each other, about what they find attractive in men. They don't actually date the sort of men they claim to be attracted to, or maybe even want to be attracted to. Every woman claims to want "nice guy" types and will list some variation of "kindness, funny, loyal" as traits she looks for, but will in reality typically find those types of men either clingy, creepy, or too timid.
Whenever women talk about what they want in a man, always add in "that they already find attractive." They like nice, kind, funny, and loyal men, who they find initially attractive. The tingles rule everything.
 
You can bitch about how incels are wrong as long as you want, there are huge parts of the male and female population who are not able to pair up.
This is an existential threat to civilization.

The problem is that people of her ilk and many others don't think there needs to be a solution to this. They go so far as to not consider it a problem or even a good thing.
 
Women do help because they like to help, they are not as egomaniacal as incels portray them
Women can be not turned off by an incel if the incel doesnt act like a total creep

What's the point of articles dunking on incels?

Incels are probably the single most hated demographic in society. Normies hate and gear incels more than terrorists and nigger rapists and murderers.
low hangin fruits, scapegoat for violence commited by NIGGERs
 
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I don't understand why she brings up bodybuilding so much. Incels generally don't believe that getting buff will get you laid. They call guys who believe in that 'gymcels' who will quickly learn that it doesn't make a difference.
 
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The problem is that people of her ilk and many others don't think there needs to be a solution to this. They go so far as to not consider it a problem or even a good thing.
It's not a problem. I give absolutely zero shits if some dude is incapable of figuring out how to interact with the opposite sex. It is not a problem for literally anyone else in the world except for the dude who isn't getting what he wants and the girls he harasses.
 
Articles like this are the beginning of a slow walk back of media rhetoric against White men, in this case single White men. It isn't gonna work, no one cares anymore.
Agree. despite window dressing and rage bait the main thrust is something along the lines of “see? Women really aren’t as picky as you think! You still have a chance incel!” It’s a hamfisted attempt at a beginning of de-escalation.

We can probably expect future articles to walk back the rhetoric further.

However it’s also entirely possible the author is just a dumb cunt.
 
Really, it's weird how many articles like this (and her linked "study") are so desperate to gaslight young men into not working out or dieting, developing their careers, and otherwise giving them bad advice for attracting women for long-term relationships.
Filtering. Women know what they find attractive in a man, but they won't ever tell you what they find attractive. They want you to do it without them telling you. Like real gold vs fool's gold.

It's not a problem. I give absolutely zero shits if some dude is incapable of figuring out how to interact with the opposite sex. It is not a problem for literally anyone else in the world except for the dude who isn't getting what he wants and the girls he harasses.
Married men contribute more in taxes than unmarried men of similar age, education, race, and location. Your literally talking about gutting the major tax base of every nation on earth, and somehow that isn't a problem? On hand I agree with you, less money for women and minority programs. On the other hand, that's a lot of civil wars.
 
But rather than look for a solution, they pretend it's just losers being whiny and treat it as something to be snarked about.
It mostly is that. I'm not being snarky when I say this, they need to drop the pity party shit, stop deluding themselves into thinking there's some "reckoning" coming, and fix their lives themselves because no one else is going to help them.
 
p sure the bitching about chads and stacies actually included that, future karen/ wine aunt.
 
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I don't understand why she brings up bodybuilding so much. Incels generally don't believe that getting buff will get you laid. They call guys who believe in that 'gymcels' who will quickly learn that it doesn't make a difference.
Example from the article I found funny, as a bodybuilder:
Anecdotally, when it comes to long-term partnership, a sense of humour and thoughtfulness go much further than looks – my boyfriend is gorgeous, obviously, but I love him much more when he cooks a surprise dinner or makes me laugh than when he’s done 20 extra push-ups.
Sis, part of the reason your man is gorgeous is because he does pushups. And you probably wouldn't like him as much if he was a fat slob.
Gymcels are guys who are socially awkward and don't get any, but not because they're fit. They don't get any because, usually, the gym is the best part of their day and then they go home and play games or whatever. Being fit helps a lot, but you actually have to go out and meet people.
And the gym does help with that. You see results from your hard work and you feel more confident, and overtime fitness helps you get over whatever problems you had that made you an 'incel' in the first place. You learn that effort breeds results, that you have to do hard things, you learn good habits, and most importantly you develop a sense of self worth.
Essentially, when you like who you see in the mirror it becomes a lot easier for others to like what they see in you.
 
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