Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[neverendingmidi]

Another classmate was FUCKING COMMISSIONED to do a very simple abstract piece with cool, neutral colors and wanted a single statement color. They liked blue, silver, grey and red. Super easy, and it was to be used in a salon. Easy, right?
Bitch made a "self portrait" of what she WISHED she looked like, including cherry red hair with a blue stripe, on a NEON GREEN BACKGROUND with bright purple flores de lies patterning. Everyone was saying how awful the commissioner was for not wanting to pay for it!

I think this person was hired by my mom’s former employer. She still talks to her former co-workers, and they hired a new designer after my mom retired. The one said she gave the “artist” the customer’s requirements, basically come up with a nice design in red, white, and blue with their logo. Idiot with an art degree gives a proof that’s in black and gold, no logo.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

I think this person was hired by my mom’s former employer. She still talks to her former co-workers, and they hired a new designer after my mom retired. The one said she gave the “artist” the customer’s requirements, basically come up with a nice design in red, white, and blue with their logo. Idiot with an art degree gives a proof that’s in black and gold, no logo.

Was it badly done, too?

 

[AMHOLIO]

Unfortunately religion will get blasted because you got some retard going "I got religious trauma" which is the dumbest thing ever heard.

It's actually a thing if say you grew up with the Dugars or other hardcore sectors and cults, but lmao you know most claiming it are just edgy.

If I had to guess it would be because artists/musicians/writers tend to fall into two categories. (Very generally speaking

This is not wrong and I can confirm both of these things happen a lot.

We're too accepting and afraid to hurt feelings,

It sounds dumb but this 100%. A lot of us are accepting as integrating new ideas into our life is one of the ways you can get inspiration, and we're also the type that constantly gets the "but you will never make real money or get a real job" at so we have a bit of a chip on our shoulder about being dismissed for something, and that applies to anyone with a dream (omg this man dreams of being a woman but is oppressed bc people tell him it is impossible he is like me fr fr).

Everyone was saying how awful the commissioner was for not wanting to pay for it!

Holy fuck I'm so sorry you suffered that.

I was called an asshole, and she dropped out.

Good, you khaki clad chad. Thank god she left. I hope your words did shake the other students who did stay enough to have them reconsider things and to structure their own careers accordingly.

Being an individual is bad and wrong unless you do it the correct way, or the way a tranny decides fits their fetish of the day.

Its one of the reasons I'm glad I didn't go to art school straight out of highschool. I ended up making friends with art students in art colleges, and they basically had this thought pattern to them. They were nice and good at heart, but the way they were influenced by art school and being surrounded by people who also had the same biases as them just warped into that weird echo chamber thing. It sucked. I think some people come out fine but there was too many who were too absorbing of this mentality. I feel bad for those who go to art school, have their heads in the clouds for a few years, then get slapped back into reality if they head to some place less art college brained (most places). I almost feel just as bad for those who stay in art school mentality workplaces (animation, gaming) who are suckered into that longer - but a lot preach "individuality my way and fuck cis white straight reee" so hard that lol I don't really.

I think if I had went to art school straight away at that young impressionable age I'd be miserable now. It's not even the debt, it is the shitty mentality of art students falling into misery echo chambers, installing bad mentalities into them. The chick I talked about in the OP was one of those art students and she floundered about after leaving art school, stuck to her echo chambers when she could have expanded out to other ventures, and is now living miserably as a themby drawing shitty diversity fat fetishistic art (haram ) and kinda directionless in life. She is more controlled by her mental illnesses than she is the one in control of it. It sucks. I could imagine being miserable like her too in the end, and I'm glad chose a different path to my education and career because of it.

Idk what your career is right now, but shoutouts to pursuing the dream and going to art school, and for keeping your brain. I hope you continue to enjoy art and hopefully are enjoying your life.

The one said she gave the “artist” the customer’s requirements, basically come up with a nice design in red, white, and blue with their logo. Idiot with an art degree gives a proof that’s in black and gold, no logo

If people cited this as the reason they hated artists I would 100 percent agree with them.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

It's actually a thing if say you grew up with the Dugars or other hardcore sectors and cults, but lmao you know most claiming it are just edgy

100% or if you came from some backwards sand nig country and got married off as a child bride while getting brainwashed into having no autonomy.

But nowadays it's usually trannies who go "I came out as a member of the Loony Troons to mum and daddy and they said I'm fine just the way I am and don't need to ruin my body by cutting my tits / dick off. They don't accept me. Waah waaah I'm traumatized now."

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Good, you khaki clad chad. Thank god she left. I hope your words did shake the other students who did stay enough to have them reconsider things and to structure their own careers accordingly

Haha thank you, god I have so many stories from college. I went in left leaning and left right leaning, the types that go are so fucking insufferable, holy shit.

She is more controlled by her mental illnesse

That's another thing I hate in artist communities, the fetishization of mental illness and drug dependancies. I was actually afraid to get help for major depression because I kept getting told I wouldn't have inspiration. Sure it dampened some of the rawness but I make up for it with refinement. Got help and never regretted it. I'd regularly hear how some artists whished they had SCHIZOPHRENIA so they could draw what they saw. Yeah.

Idk what your career is right now, but shoutouts to pursuing the dream and going to art school, and for keeping your brain. I hope you continue to enjoy art and hopefully are enjoying your life.

Without giving too much away, I take care of the home while SO works, it really helped that I'm incredibly serious when it comes to art and am incredibly stubborn. The more people told me to think a certain way, the more I went against it. (I was annoyed with a teacher one day and when told we had to draw figures, I drew a gorey skeleton to get angst out. Got an A lmfao)
I actually went to perfect my sketching skill but came out with a huge repertoire that includes metal smithing and sculpting, college was absolutely the best thing I ever did, but it isn't true for many. You need to go in wanting to learn and change how you work.

 

[Slurm Queen]

I actually went to perfect my sketching skill but came out with a huge repertoire that includes metal smithing and sculpting, college was absolutely the best thing I ever did, but it isn't true for many. You need to go in wanting to learn and change how you work.

I see this often with creatives — it sounds to me you went into school truly open and receptive, because you truly wanted to learn and grow. That’s amazing and I am sure you are better for it in immeasurable ways. You are a rarity.

I have seen the creative scene become more and more rigid over the past decade. “Outsider art” is now the norm, and classically trained, refined artists and those serious about their craft are considered blasé. There are so many factors to this. I could easily make a case for the millennial/gen z tendency toward irony and flippancy. It’s also true that artists are handled with kid gloves nowadays. But a lot of it has to do with the fact Western Culture now has access to more data and information than it could possibly have ever dreamed of 50 years ago. Artistic trends are now predicted by AI, the influencer market, and data sets. “Pantone Color of the Year” anyone? If you want to make a living as an artist, you have to enslave yourself to the algorithm… so it is no wonder that the artists that “make it” are producing low-effort, self-centered artwork that has less and less soul. Art now needs to have a message — but only the approved current day one, and it needs to be algorithm-friendly, it needs to be shocking but only if at the expense of groups we deem fit.

The pursuit of beauty has fallen by the wayside. That’s because Beauty and Truth are inextricably linked and you cannot pursue them in this day and age while also subscribing to modern day ideology like troonism that rejects it wholesale.

Edited to add: while I’m sperging about AHT, has anyone noticed the troon’s tendency toward degenerate art in general? Not just lolicon and perverted Japanese shit. I mean like, my brother was searching for art for his home and got super into Francis Bacon. The weirder stuff. Red flag in retrospect.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Edited to add: while I’m sperging about AHT, has anyone noticed the troon’s tendency toward degenerate art in general? Not just lolicon and perverted Japanese shit. I mean like, my brother was searching for art for his home and got super into Francis Bacon. The weirder stuff. Red flag in retrospect.

There are definitely fetish artists that can do beautiful work but yeah, for the most part it's garbage. It's the infected belief that healthy=bigotry so being fit and attractive=Nazi now. It'll pass, art is known for its flipant trends. It wasn't long ago that cubism and abstract art (my personal favorite) were the most popular because it was all about painting your emotions, focusing less on a subject and more projecting a raw emotion that makes the viewer uncomfortable but awed.
The modern left took this and decided it was scribling with a message, not "no I just came down from my mother dying, I needed to paint a raw feeling".
Right now, I'm more worried about corperate art that is intentionally being used to phase artists out, its a style anyone can do and is less individualistic.

 

[Flexo]

Right now, I'm more worried about corperate art that is intentionally being used to phase artists out, its a style anyone can do and is less individualistic.

Talking with a friend who needed art for his business the other day. He was somewhat annoyed because while he has some sympathy about the whole A.I. art thing, it's also getting real hard to find artists that can do the art he needs in the time frame he requires.

I think a lot of people would rather deal with a real human being and get something with personality and soul to it, but after dealing with some artists, the machine starts to grow in appeal.

 

[Ed Special]

I mean like, my brother was searching for art for his home and got super into Francis Bacon.

I mean, I'd say Francis Bacon's art was good, but yeah I wouldn't exactly pick it to put up in my living room. Not exactly the kind of "cozy" vibes you should be going for, lol.

 

[Electric Mortar & Pestle]

I have a close friend that came out a few years ago and started asking to be called by a fucking stupid name. They are pretty cool about it, but I am worried about their mental health. No long term plans, no saving for the future, just losing himself to acting like a woman in Final Fantasy 14. He's already lost a job because they wanted him to cut his hair. I mean, who is he fucking kidding? He looks like a ghoul and has five o clock shadow by noon every day. I wish I was a 7'0" 400 pound body builder, but I don't walk around in a tank top and compression pants. I just don't fucking get it. It's making him miserable.

 

[MightyMorphin'Willbender]

This is probably the place to bitch about this; at least so far no one close is trooning out but I can feel the """"tolerance"""" narrative showing in even my older relatives.

One of them mentioned their friend's daughter getting top surgery because she was non-binary , and after my initial spergy reaction just asked: "idk man maybe the world is better without boundaries?'"

You mean the boundary about not letting crazy people mutilate themselves for crazy reason? That's gotta go?

 

[Not A Bunny]

This is probably the place to bitch about this; at least so far no one close is trooning out but I can feel the """"tolerance"""" narrative showing in even my older relatives.

One of them mentioned their friend's daughter getting top surgery because she was non-binary , and after my initial spergy reaction just asked: "idk man maybe the world is better without boundaries?'"

You mean the boundary about not letting crazy people mutilate themselves for crazy reason? That's gotta go?

There's this odd thing about how YOU need to accept THEM, but they don't have to accept THEMSELVES.

 

[AMHOLIO]

That’s because Beauty and Truth are inextricably linked and you cannot pursue them in this day and age while also subscribing to modern day ideology like troonism that rejects it wholesale.

I get your point, but the way you put it means:

1. True medical conditions like boils and burns are Beauty
2. Kiwi Farms, dedicated to truth, is Beauty
3. The True tapes of Chris confessing to fucking his mom and Ralph's True sex tapes are Beauty

Be careful with your wording.

Spoiler: my thoughts + off topic

The reasons they don't succeed is they are too scared to take responsibility in life.

SJWism really can kneecap artists, as can other zealous ideologies. The idea that if you are not working to spread the message and help fix society then YOU are part of the problem is a paralyzing one. College students want to do good, they want to be good, and so on. They're at the age where they do want to help change things and help others (humans survived because we worked in groups so it makes sense even evolutionary). Feeling like you are failing a group you want to belong to for whatever reason can be paralyzing and devistating.

Hilariously, instead of being like other cults of ideas like Hardcore Fundie offshoots of Christianity, there's acceptance that the man can get you down and that it's ok not to do anything if you were born with an excuse or were diagnosed with one. It's a great way to offload the sense that you are failing the group as well as not confront your own problems, just toss it elsewhere and don't see it as a problem you personally can try and manage. Plenty of disabled, underprivileged, mentally ill, and genuine dicked over minorities take charge, accept their problems as is, and don't pretend said problems don't exist or blame it soley on the evils of the world/muh parents/the gooberment and republicans/no one fucking me/muh feels. And that disorganized reason is why a lot of art students flounder: they don't change to accept a challenge, they mourn what they had or believe something else will do it for them.

Self hatred is a hard thing. A lot of people confuse taking responsibility with always having to carry guilt and be punished for your mistakes and sins. It CAN be that, but usually mistakes people are making aren't the kind of megafuckups that would justify that degree of self abuse, like murder or fucking your mom. Mistakes like social faux pas, incorrectly following directions, being a selfish dick when you were younger, those things are the stuff that sensitive and mentally different people (like artists) deserve self hatred and self punishment for. And of course, they don't. The problem is getting out of this mindset. People caught in the self hatred cycle usually think the less responsibility they have, the less chance that they'll fuck up. And that isn't completely wrong, but it's cutting off your agency that is worse in the long run. Inaction is the bigger failure than trying and failing. Learning skills to cope with failure and the attitude of trying again is important. Good Abrahamic religious sects do this, encouraging people to repent but make peace with their sins as long as they continue to try and do more right. Same with good psychology and therapy. The avoidance strategy of dumping all your self worth into either pleasing a whole group you want to be part of or into how you are perceived is just asking for trouble and a long term cycle of guilt.

Thanks for reading if you did. DISCLAIMER: there's also the simple reason of "this person likes being an immature brat who always gets their way", so that should never be discounted. It is what a lot of lolcows fall into, as well as any prick college student with money who doesn't want to or is bad brained into being a bitch all their life.

I just don't fucking get it. It's making him miserable.

Depression affects cognitive thinking skills as well as mood. He is likely stuck in his head in a negative thought pattern, too anxious and listless to break out or choose to change. But I don't know him personally as you know, that's just my armchair psych guessing.

You mean the boundary about not letting crazy people mutilate themselves for crazy reason? That's gotta go?

There's this odd thing about how YOU need to accept THEM, but they don't have to accept THEMSELVES.

No, it's not that to them: accepting trans people be treated medically means that you accepted they developed "wrong". The phrase "I went through the wrong puberty" is popular for a reason, aside from dramatics. They see their sex aligned puberty as a defect, like a cleft palette or tumor. To get "mutilated" is to get """"corrective"""" surgery. They are removing tumors, they are correcting palettes, they are getting prosthetic apendages.

As you guys know, disdane for their body and their own self hatred doesn't stop when they correct something, and the better comparison is to anorexics and other body related disorders. The problem is that people aren't aware of all the scientific studies behind trans people and just assume that cutting something off is scientifically accurate: why else would they do it? You're skeptical, but is your neighbor really interacting with people like this day by day enough to care to question it? It skirts by like other trans fallacies by not being questioned by people going about their day. They can't be assed to question it, especially in polite conversation from someone they trust, they probably know better because they went to the doctor might be their thought.

 

[Not A Bunny]

No, it's not that to them: accepting trans people be treated medically means that you accepted they developed "wrong". The phrase "I went through the wrong puberty" is popular for a reason, aside from dramatics. They see their sex aligned puberty as a defect, like a cleft palette or tumor. To get "mutilated" is to get """"corrective"""" surgery. They are removing tumors, they are correcting palettes, they are getting prosthetic apendages.

I can see why you might say this, and it's an interesting perspective. The only problem is, people who have a tumor removed or have a cleft palate fixed don't demand you walk on tiptoes around them and "affirm" the end result.

Most people who go through what we can all agree is "corrective" generally feel much better, and even if they never get complimented on it or anyone notices, they feel better anyway. Those people don't throw tantrums when they go unnoticed. Because they're generally contented with the choice. They don't need anyone to feel good for them to make the decision correct.

The fact of the matter is, if it made these people truly happy, well, truly happy people don't concern themselves with what other people think. They might even accept that they're not truly the opposite sex, but they are happy about the way they present.

 

[F40PH]

What the fuck is going on with zoomers? I've had two people I've historically been friends with troon out in this last year, and there's another one that's in the process of doing so as I write this. All of these guys are between 20 and 28. One of them is a weeaboo web developer who's in the "old web" and Internet nostalgia circles (shocking), another was a lonely weeaboo incel who tried to get with a girl in our friend group who rejected him years ago (again, shocking), and the other has been a closeted (to his family) homosexual man for years.

Literally all of these guys were the same types to spout tranny, nigger, faggot (etc.) years ago, but this past year they have all suddenly whiplashed super hard in the opposite direction and I have no clue why it's happened so suddenly or who's gotten to them exactly. All of them are retarded tranime coomers, but they have been for years with 0 signs of ever trooning out. None of this makes sense to me at all, and I don't know what I am supposed to do about this. I used to talk to a couple of these guys daily, but as all of this troonery started to happen, they grew increasingly distant from our group before just ghosting us all everywhere.

Can't people just be gay anymore? Do they have to wear a dress to put stuff up their ass? If they absolutely have to, can't they just crossdress in private for sexual reasons or something? I genuinely do not get why people feel the need to do this to themselves for a fetish. I feel incredibly old when I look at the way these people speak among themselves and live their lives. Their entire lifestyle comes across as utterly insane to me, and I don't see myself ever coming to understand it.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just at a loss. One of these dudes was such a talented programmer, but since getting into troonery he's just dropped everything to seemingly focus on this weird shit he's gotten himself into and it's sad.

 

[Fapcop]

What the fuck is going on with zoomers? I've had two people I've historically been friends with troon out in this last year, and there's another one that's in the process of doing so as I write this. All of these guys are between 20 and 28. One of them is a weeaboo web developer who's in the "old web" and Internet nostalgia circles (shocking), another was a lonely weeaboo incel who tried to get with a girl in our friend group who rejected him years ago (again, shocking), and the other has been a closeted (to his family) homosexual man for years.

Literally all of these guys were the same types to spout tranny, nigger, faggot (etc.) years ago, but this past year they have all suddenly whiplashed super hard in the opposite direction and I have no clue why it's happened so suddenly or who's gotten to them exactly. All of them are retarded tranime coomers, but they have been for years with 0 signs of ever trooning out. None of this makes sense to me at all, and I don't know what I am supposed to do about this. I used to talk to a couple of these guys daily, but as all of this troonery started to happen, they grew increasingly distant from our group before just ghosting us all everywhere.

Can't people just be gay anymore? Do they have to wear a dress to put stuff up their ass? If they absolutely have to, can't they just crossdress in private for sexual reasons or something? I genuinely do not get why people feel the need to do this to themselves for a fetish. I feel incredibly old when I look at the way these people speak among themselves and live their lives. Their entire lifestyle comes across as utterly insane to me, and I don't see myself ever coming to understand it.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just at a loss. One of these dudes was such a talented programmer, but since getting into troonery he's just dropped everything to seemingly focus on this weird shit he's gotten himself into and it's sad.

Autism, undiagnosed mental illness and social contagion is your answer.

They felt ill at ease with themselves (autism or depression) stumbled across some troon propaganda (social contagion) and incorrectly assumed that this was the problem all along, and are now stuck in doing something that makes them miserable, yet hoping that the NEXT stage (presenting female in public, hormones, surgery) will when they finally will be happy.

It’s also how Scientology used to make their money.

On the bright side, at least they wo t screw up their kids. Because they won’t have any.

Feels, fren!

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

Someone I know started the troonout process recently. I was with him on a voice call for the first time since the announcement. He's *mincing* now. Doing the pitched up voice, like a dude trying to sound like a little girl. It's so creepy. I can't keep a straight face. I'm starting a personal countdown until his very supportive wife goes trans widow. It always happens. Sometimes it takes longer, but even the staunchest wife gets repelled by the fetishy behavior eventually.

 

[AfghanBlue]

What the fuck is going on with zoomers? I've had two people I've historically been friends with troon out in this last year, and there's another one that's in the process of doing so as I write this. All of these guys are between 20 and 28. One of them is a weeaboo web developer who's in the "old web" and Internet nostalgia circles (shocking), another was a lonely weeaboo incel who tried to get with a girl in our friend group who rejected him years ago (again, shocking), and the other has been a closeted (to his family) homosexual man for years.

Literally all of these guys were the same types to spout tranny, nigger, faggot (etc.) years ago, but this past year they have all suddenly whiplashed super hard in the opposite direction and I have no clue why it's happened so suddenly or who's gotten to them exactly. All of them are retarded tranime coomers, but they have been for years with 0 signs of ever trooning out. None of this makes sense to me at all, and I don't know what I am supposed to do about this. I used to talk to a couple of these guys daily, but as all of this troonery started to happen, they grew increasingly distant from our group before just ghosting us all everywhere.

Can't people just be gay anymore? Do they have to wear a dress to put stuff up their ass? If they absolutely have to, can't they just crossdress in private for sexual reasons or something? I genuinely do not get why people feel the need to do this to themselves for a fetish. I feel incredibly old when I look at the way these people speak among themselves and live their lives. Their entire lifestyle comes across as utterly insane to me, and I don't see myself ever coming to understand it.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just at a loss. One of these dudes was such a talented programmer, but since getting into troonery he's just dropped everything to seemingly focus on this weird shit he's gotten himself into and it's sad.

honestly? you may as well just ask them. copy and paste that and send them and ask them. i wnat to know. if its a loss, its a loss, and its not much of one.
but it'd be interesting to try and get through while the last vestiges of them are there before the troon-aid totally overtakes if its not already too late.

if you dont care about potentially blowing up those friendships, ask.

it would be extremely useful research for all of us here, if you can get a halfway honest answer out of even one of them. the numbers are on your side , surely one of them at least wont shit the bed at yoy.

 

[fenny]

Heard through the grapevine my friend "Khai" has a boyfriend now. Figured maybe she had started testosterone and had that "oops, turns out I was straight the whole time and just had a low sex drive I misinterpreted as lack of attraction to men!" thing pooners sometimes go through.

No, the girl she had a situationship with is now also trans, and they're larping as gay men together. I remember her spamming a bunch of "I'm so excited to BE LESBIAN on my LESBIAN DATE" shit while she was still doing the nonbinary thing just last year. People who don't think this is a social contagion are delusional. I guess I'm glad she hasn't mutilated herself yet, but she's also infecting other people. I'm relieved but disappointed.

 

[F40PH]

On the bright side, at least they wo t screw up their kids. Because they won’t have any.

I don't particularly see this as a win, as troons have a habit of fucking up other people's kids. They do reproduce via abuse, after all.

honestly? you may as well just ask them.

I have done so in the bluntest "why, though?" terms and gotten nowhere, I've always been quite outspoken about my distaste for trannies around my friends, so I have no reason to change my tone now. All I ever get is the totally canned non-answer of "I've always been this way, I've just never told anyone" and stuff like that - It's like, "no bro, you weren't like this a year ago."

I am honestly just convinced that it's porn-sickness and either untreated or badly treated autism at this point. I'm so beyond caring at this stage that I've just considered them a lost cause. I've had some historic experience dealing with trannies in workplaces and from afar, but to have so many people in my immediate sphere do this so quickly is quite shocking to me. I'm a bit older than all of these people, and everyone else in our group in the 30+ camp is just as confused as I am, so I'm assuming it's mainly a 20-something-year-old zoomer problem? I genuinely have no clue.