Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Michael Wade]

Is Pringo actually dead though?
The last time he "died" in a plane crash in Africa turned out to be a pile of nonsense.

im not convinced he is in all honesty. That they still allow wagner to operate is quite telling. He's also supposed to be a really close friend of Putin, to the point that he even cooked for him if im not mistaken.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Importing a few engineers and business people from Germany won't fix that issue.

Honestly I never looked into the details, but that's their strategy. If it does work out it won't bear fruit for several years.

He's also supposed to be a really close friend of Putin

He was, they came from the same St Petersburg clique. There are a lot of Taras Bulba moments in Russia's history tho.

 

[Legato]

im not convinced he is in all honesty. That they still allow wagner to operate is quite telling. He's also supposed to be a really close friend of Putin, to the point that he even cooked for him if im not mistaken.

Hes dead. Wagner has been rolled into the military.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Its interesting that the first signs of a decaying culture in a first world nation is the presence of niggers that have no historical tradition in large numbers going back for about 2000 years plus.

From the WSJ.

Here’s How the Russian and Ukrainian War Efforts Compare, in 10 Charts (Archive)

 

[Maginot]

Iron is cheaper than flesh, if you are Russian.

 

[Betonhaus]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/zelenskyy-again-invites-trump-to-ukraine/ar-BB1gYfax

https://archive.is/wip/XUsJa

Somehow i don't think Zelensky is going to like the formula

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Ive seen enough videos of Russians being absolutely annihilated due to sheer retardation to know they have very serious issues with battlefield tactics.

After the discussion we had yesterday about battlefield casualties I came across this today. Its from January 9, eleven days ago. ABC news, which is owned by Disney, is as mainstream as it gets in the USA. For ABC to run a story critical of the Saloreich and instruct its affiliates to air it is concrete evidence that the Ukraine isn't getting more US weaponry anymore, not as we go into the election cycle. Just like all the burgers in this thread predicted.

Hospital sees 30% rise in seriously wounded Ukrainian soldiers, says doctor
As many as 100 hurt soldiers arrive daily at a Dnipro hospital, a doctor said.

That's thirty percent more than what they usually get. I found this particularly revealing in light of the posts on that wounded soldier in the video I posted:

Many of those procedures are amputations, he said.

I accept that that drones and artillery will necessitate a large number of amputations but I also can't help thinking many Ukrainians, or US volunteer "medics" trained by the US/Europe fail to understand (or accept) they don't have American resources/logistics, so a lot of these amputations are caused by lack of realistic medical care, namely clean wound, antibiotics and send to a surgeon as close as possible for further eval and treatment before moving to the patient to a hospital. Gangrene/septicemia while they wait around is what is causing at least some amputations or, in the worse (and saddest) case scenario: they lack proper antibiotics so amputation is the best way to save the patient.

Dr. Sergii Ryzhenko told ABC News that the Mechnikov Hospital in the city of Dnipro, a few hours' drive from the fighting, is now receiving between 40 and 100 seriously wounded men each day, with his team performing between 50 and 100 surgical operations in any 24-hour period.

That's one hospital. That's grim. And its hours away too, which is not good, to say the least.

The Ukrainian government has not released official figures for the total number of soldiers who have been killed or wounded since Russia launched its full-scale invasion nearly two years ago.

And I bet they never will.

Yuriy Lutsenko claimed that around 30,000 Ukrainian troops are now being killed or badly wounded per month,

While anecdotal, it comes from a hohol who is the former Ukrainian prosecutor general and in favor of another, more ramped up mobilization.

It's revealing that the wounded soldier interviewed for the cameras is a Latvian, not Ukrainian. I, too, would not make any statements critical of the government given their predilection for imprisoning, torturing and killing anyone that criticizes it if I was a hohol.

Somehow i don't think Zelensky is going to like the formula

lmao at this midget schnorrer making demands on Trump, a former US president, and likely to be Biden's replacement. Get rekt, manlet.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Somehow i don't think Zelensky is going to like the formula

lmao at this midget schnorrer making demands on Trump, a former US president, and likely to be Biden's replacement. Get rekt, manlet.

He's trying to suck up to Trump for precisely that reason. He thinks that since Biden's likely on the way out and Trump's gonna be back in, he can suck Trump off enough and get more money for "2 Weeks To Moscow!" for another year or two.

I imagine what Trump's reaction will be is something to the tune of "Zalinsky, you are a fucking idiot and you'd better be willing to beg Russia for mercy. You have nowhere to negotiate from and the Russians have every reason to completely level your entire country, so if I were you I'd start hanging those neo-Nazis and making as many apologies as you can for blowing up Russian children and tearing down Russian monuments."

 

[74164978231]

Certainly defense is easier than offense. However you said Russia could not conduct "combined arms tactics". I gave you two examples where they did. You should probably say Russia isn't capable of conducting large scale offensive operations which I think is false but it would at least be closer to what you seemed to have meant.

I didnt say they couldnt win battles/fights, but whats the result of two years of fighting a war right on their borders? They control 75-100 miles of Ukrainian terrirotry in eastern Ukraine. Thats atrocious performance for what theyve committed to this war. This isnt WW1 or 2 where they have the luxury of throwing away men and material like the Soviets did then.

Ukraine is losing some of its best and most well trained units and it cannot replace them.

Yeah Russia has been destroying Ukraine's best for 2 straight years now, where has that gotten them?

Yeah sure it would nice if Russia could win more quickly. Capturing more territory would not meaningfully change the strategic situation. If Russia owns Kharkov or not the strategic situation is the same. Furthermore if Russia had captured basically everything east of the Dnieper Ukraine wouldn't just stop fighting. Control of territory doesn't change the strategic situation. However what does change the strategic situation is degrading Ukraine's capability. Russia is chewing through Ukrainian resources both in a numerical sense but also in a quality sense.

But isnt capturing Kharkov and the eastern half of Ukraine the entire point of this war? Isnt this war about tearing apart Ukraine making it useless as a NATO puppet and creating buffer space for Russia against NATO puppets?

If Russia is so concerned about NATO attacking them they sure are making sure they are less likely to be able to deal with NATO by slowly losing their good equipment and troops fighting over inches of land.

You are in the wrong thread.

Its the same thread, two groups of people refusing to accept reality. Holos think theyre curb stopping Russia, Zboys think theyre curb stopping holos each thinking just two more weeks and the other side will be either in Moscow or Kiev.

They turned around and pulled back when the trap was completed and the vast majority of the best ukrop formations were either destroyed or so badly mauled they had to be completely rebuilt using conscripts.

So they destroyed Ukraine's best troops in the opening weeks yet here we are going into year 3 of Russia making very slow progress against badly trained conscripts? Id say thats some insane cope but then you say this;

I highly doubt the legitimacy of that video. There are some major discrepancies within the video compared to what I have noticed regarding Russian forces.
1. Almost none of the tanks have any sort of identifying mark. I only saw a very faint "Z" on one of the BMPs. Previously, the ukrops have been caught painting the "ZVO" signs on their own destroyed AFVs and trying to sell them as Russian losses. Oryx (bellingcat affiliate) was particularly infamous for doing that and it might be one of the main reasons why he's out of work. He can't play the same trick anymore with so much western gear.
2. No white or red arm/leg bands on the soldiers. The Russians cover themselves with that stuff to prevent friendly fire incidents. But here I cannot see anything, not even the faint hint of red or white on their camo fatigues.
3. Light colored plate carriers. Russian plate carriers are overwhelmingly dark green in almost every video of them I've seen. DPR/LPR are the same as well since they're now supplied by the Russians.
4. The light shade of the uniforms. Russians generally wear the dark green "Woodland" EMR camo pattern in 90% of the videos I have seen, though in certain cases I have seen them wear the lighter "Steppe" EMR camo pattern. ukrop camo on the other hand, is uniformly light to the point I think they are desert camo.

Really? The Ukrainians are painting Zs onto their vehicles and driving straight into Russian lines? Thats what youre going with? Weapons grade copium considering theres endless video out there of Russian armor without Z markings or any similar markings at all.

But you know how to tell its of Russian troops without me posting a bunch of links disproving all of the above? The fact no one in this thread has spammed telegram links of it saying its Ukrainian forces being destroyed.

The thing is this is the exact opposite of that type of conflict. You are referring to something Clausewitz would call a cabinet war or Kabinettskriege. And Putin probably wanted this type of war. But Ukraine decided to turn this into a war of peoples or Volkskriege. A cabinet war often involves limited war aims with something like some small territorial concessions. A war of peoples is about the complete and utter destruction of a people's ability to wage war. If Russia loses this war, which is extremely unlikely that Ukraine would be able to accomplish what Austrian Painter couldn't do, Russia would be subjected to complete and utters horrors at the hand of the west. Furthermore Russian speakers and ethnic russians were/are under threat. These are pretty damn good reasons to fight if you ask me.

If thats Putin's thinking hes making the same idiotic mistakes the US has made in every war since WW2, particularly Vietnam and Afghanistan.

 

[Fried-Rice12]

Really? The Ukrainians are painting Zs onto their vehicles and driving straight into Russian lines? Thats what youre going with?

I would not be surprised if it was an infiltration attempt.

Weapons grade copium considering theres endless video out there of Russian armor without Z markings or any similar markings at all.

Post one then.
And make sure you don't post one of oryx's fraudulent pictures.

 

[74164978231]

I would not be surprised if it was an infiltration attempt.

LOL this is absolutely idiotic.

Post one then.
And make sure you don't post one of oryx's fraudulent pictures.

Yeah bro, its clearly all AI deepfakes when you see a destroyed T90 with no Z or whatever marking Russians are applying.

 

[Fried-Rice12]

LOL this is absolutely idiotic.

These are the same retards who used a pink battle barge in an attempted landing at the Kherson nuclear plant.

Yeah bro, its clearly all AI deepfakes when you see a destroyed T90 with no Z or whatever marking Russians are applying.

There have been remarkably few destroyed T90s.
Most are oryx fakes, ukrop T-72s that it claims are T90s.
The ones I've seen are rusted to the point that nothing is visible on them anymore.

 

[74164978231]

There have been remarkably few destroyed T90s.
Most are oryx fakes, ukrop T-72s that it claims are T90s.
The ones I've seen are rusted to the point that nothing is visible on them anymore.

The absolute logic here.

Ukraine is nothing but barely functional retards yet somehow Russia has only advanced 100 miles tops into eastern Ukraine. If Ukrainians are as dumb as you people portray them and Russians as capable this war should have been over long ago.

 

[Obsessed snowman]

Zbros... the phone number guy has completely destroyed us with facts and logic. It's over, might as well shut the thread down.

 

[kuuu]

Rehashing saloreich/westoid propaganda talking points — attempt №74164978231.

 

[ForTheHoard]

I know a trap when I see one. If Trump goes to Ukraine, he's never coming home. I trust his safety more with the North Koreans.

Trump winning almost guarantees an end to the war, and the first thing getting thrown out is Zelensky's ridiculous list of demands. There's an enormous incentive to make sure he dies while visiting their rapidly collapsing, war torn, third world shithole.

 

[Halfnium Bomb]

Russians have zero capability to execute combined arms tactics.

Nobody has the capability to do combined arms tactics in this kind of modern near peer conflict without unacceptable losses. You're trying to execute Calvary charges into the trenches of WWI.
Your infantry glows in the dark under thermals and are under constant drone surveillance. Armor can't move when minefields can be deployed anywhere via artillery. The airspace is constantly monitored by radar, with MANPADS under every bush, and rocket AA covering the width of the front lines. Attritional warfare is the only way to go. NATO keeps goading Ukraine into the same fucking stupid combined arms pushes, with Somme-tier results.

....control 75-100 miles of Ukrainian terrirotry in eastern Ukraine...

Territory != progress, retard. The most important thing the Russians did after the failure at Kiev was retreat and fortify their lines. The territory they kept was the territory they wanted to protect. There's literally no need to waste men and materiel in costly urban or maneuver warfare, then spend time rebuilding all their lines all over again when their current strategy of letting the Ukranians wear themselves out works and accomplishes the operational objective, i.e. Protecting the Donbas.

 

[White_N]

Ukraine is nothing but barely functional retards

Yes
Otherwise they would have followed Georgia's example and it would have been all but a bloody nose

yet somehow Russia has only advanced 100 miles tops into eastern Ukraine. If Ukrainians are as dumb as you people portray them and Russians as capable this war should have been over long ago.

Because after the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine had the largest army in Europe after Russia, more than France and Great Britain combined, the fact that during the whole time of independence and even before 2014, they managed to lose their entire navy and all military shipyards gives a good understanding of who we are dealing with. Nevertheless, they have a lot of meat and metal, and as long as Washington and Europe support Ukraine's already dead economy, the conflict will continue.

 

[Skeletonized Cow]

I would not be surprised if it was an infiltration attempt.

If it actually were, it probably would be broadcasted to some degree. Article 39 of the Geneva convention forbids this kind of action, and while yes, "international law" is a fucking meme, it is usually a cheap and easy talking point.

 

[74164978231]

Zbros... the phone number guy has completely destroyed us with facts and logic. It's over, might as well shut the thread down.
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Pretty sure I dont have a single post in the Ukrainian cope thread but hey keep thinking im NAFO or some other propagandist.

Nobody has the capability to do combined arms tactics in this kind of modern near peer conflict without unacceptable losses. You're trying to execute Calvary charges into the trenches of WWI.

Irony here is pretty hilarious. Plethora of videos out there of Russians doing charges of armor/men into trenches and getting annihilated. See the video I posted a few pages back for a fantastic example.

Territory != progress, retard. The most important thing the Russians did after the failure at Kiev was retreat and fortify their lines. The territory they kept was the territory they wanted to protect. There's literally no need to waste men and materiel in costly urban or maneuver warfare, then spend time rebuilding all their lines all over again when their current strategy of letting the Ukranians wear themselves out works and accomplishes the operational objective, i.e. Protecting the Donbas.

The fact they sent a 60km long train of troops to Kiev shows they want a hell of a lot more that Donbas.