Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?

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Cave Fisher said:
So I guess Alastor can just beef with the king of hell and live?
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Whatever man, I'm not even gonna ask why Alastor thinks it's a good idea to curse at Lucifer, because this show seems so rushed and passionless. There's no build up to anything, things just happen, and then they stop happening, like it's just a collection of connected clip shows.
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You'd think the embodiment of the sin of PRIDE would be less inclined to taking every insult and attempted power-play on the chin, but somehow Viv's fucked that up again. What's with her and making the embodiment of the deadly sins act in the exact opposite way they should? We've got the embodiment of Gluttony encouraging temperance, the embodiment of Lust being a long-term monogamist who despises rape, and the embodiment of Pride who takes being insulted lying down. Why even set the show in Hell and take influence from the Ars Goetia if you're going to completely ignore everything about it?
 
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I can't deny that I like some of the ideas that are popping up in this show but it all happens so fast that there's zero buildup, impact, or emotion behind them. Just as Vaggie's revealed to be an angel by Adam, Charlie is clued into this just minutes later as well. There's no leaving the viewer wondering when the hammer is gonna drop on that. Really, though, with how forgiving Charlie is you know all it will take is a song in the next episode and they'll be fine. It'll be brushed over.

Oh, and Lilith is probably behind Alastor helping out Charlie based on Husk's comment. You knew there was going to be some connection between the two since they went missing at the same time.
 
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Cave Fisher said:
So I guess Alastor can just beef with the king of hell and live?
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Whatever man, I'm not even gonna ask why Alastor thinks it's a good idea to curse at Lucifer, because this show seems so rushed and passionless. There's no build up to anything, things just happen, and then they stop happening, like it's just a collection of connected clip shows.
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It's just not high art. It's a cartoon. For all the hype it's rubbing elbows with the likes of Magilla Gorilla.
 
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The handsome tard said:
Outside of a very few demons, Im sure none of them, native or sinners, could put up a fight against an angel exterminator so why Heaven cares? Are they just bored? Wouldnt surprise me if suddenly they revealed they are just very VERY bored as a cheap attempt on commentary on how Heaven would be "boring" or something.
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Yeah, they've got to be bored to kill demons for entertainment.
Roger Dennis said:
With that being said, though, Lilith never existed. Seriously. Jews invented her in the Talmud in, like, the 5th century. She’s nowhere in the Bible.
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Yeah, she's only mentioned once in the OT as a class of storm demons. The idea that there was a first wife of Adam named Lilith comes from "The Alphabet of Ben Sira" which came out from 700-100 AD but it probably drew from oral Jewish folklore that Adam had a first wife because there are two different creation accounts of man and woman in Genesis, one where they are created at the same time and one where woman comes from man's rib.
 
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madethistocomment said:
You'd think the embodiment of the sin of PRIDE would be less inclined to taking every insult and attempted power-play on the chin, but somehow Viv's fucked that up again. What's with her and making the embodiment of the deadly sins act in the exact opposite way they should? We've got the embodiment of Gluttony encouraging temperance, the embodiment of Lust being a long-term monogamist who despises rape, and the embodiment of Pride who takes being insulted lying down. Why even set the show in Hell and take influence from the Ars Goetia if you're going to completely ignore everything about it?
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Because they have the need to present faggotry as something virtuous.
 
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Space Monkey Mafia said:
I can't deny that I like some of the ideas that are popping up in this show but it all happens so fast that there's zero buildup, impact, or emotion behind them. Just as Vaggie's revealed to be an angel by Adam, Charlie is clued into this just minutes later as well. There's no leaving the viewer wondering when the hammer is gonna drop on that. Really, though, with how forgiving Charlie is you know all it will take is a song in the next episode and they'll be fine. It'll be brushed over.
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Part of me is wondering if the rushed pacing is because they're worried they won't get renewed for another season. Unless two seasons have been greenlit, in which case the writers are even bigger idiots than previously thought.
 
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So the episode confirms it, the leaker was real and Adam and Pentious die in the season finale. The one hope I have is that maybe it's going to revealed near the start of season 2 that he somehow didn't in fact die and was instead redeemed, but either way that's a long shot.

The pacing however is getting legitimately getting worse by the episode, I thought the first 4 episodes had massive pacing issues but holy shit do these two make the first four's look fantastic. Angel no longer does drugs and shit and we're now only a month away from the extermination meaning the series has now lasted 5 months in universe? That's a metric shit ton of offscreen character development that would have been nice to see and just another reason why most the events here should have been saved for season 2. In fact, why not have Charlie's big example instead be Pentious, he seems to have a lot less baggage than Angel has and you wouldn't need to have an insane amount of offscreen character development.

I get wanting to tell your story and being nervous that you might be screwed over and your show gets cancelled before you're able to finish, there's serialized shows that I loved that got canned right when the story really hooked me, but there's rushing the pacing and there's shit like this. The general story could actually be somewhat decent if Viv let things brew instead of absolutely everything coming out undercooked.
 
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Seriously, does anyone else notice the pattern of horny demon girls with black, red and white color schemes popping up everywhere in the media? Is this a new unnamed genre? Hazbin hotel, Satellite city and Helltaker might as well be set the same shared universe because of how much in common they have.
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To be fair to Helltaker the creator wears his intentions on his sleeve. It was made because the creator has a fetish for Dante-colored women in suits and wanted more people to draw Dante-colored women in suits.
 
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Cave Fisher said:
So I guess Alastor can just beef with the king of hell and live?
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Whatever man, I'm not even gonna ask why Alastor thinks it's a good idea to curse at Lucifer, because this show seems so rushed and passionless. There's no build up to anything, things just happen, and then they stop happening, like it's just a collection of connected clip shows.
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Vivz' own gary stu, Alastor, broke character, in the first season, to tell the literal devil, "fuck you", and the first sparring match was not nearly as funny or drawn out or actually smart and sassy as it should have been.

"She calls me daddy too" might make up for this if Alastor fully goes goblin mode and holds out a finger and asks Lucifer to smell it or something, but I doubt Vivz or her thousand monkeys at typewriters could even do crassness in a funny way with any setup.
 
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ChatGPT knows of Hazbin Hotel. I primed it by reminding it that a powerful sinner and a cosmic being should actually act like they're smart while fucking with each other.

I asked it to write the two of them exchanging jabs:

Certainly, here's a brief script-style interaction between Alastor, Lucifer, and Charlie in "Hazbin Hotel" during a verbal sparring match:

Scene: The entranceway of the Hazbin Hotel. Alastor and Lucifer stand facing each other, with Charlie anxiously watching nearby.

Alastor: (with a sly grin) Ah, if it isn't the King of Hell himself, gracing us with his 'divine' presence. Tell me, Lucifer, does the crown ever get heavy, or is it as hollow as your promises?

Lucifer: (smirking) Alastor, the infamous Radio Demon. I'm surprised you've managed to tune in to our frequency. I would have thought someone of your... 'station' would struggle with the reception up here.

Alastor: Oh, I always find a way to be heard, Lucifer. It's a talent to rise above the static. Speaking of static, how's the old throne? Still managing to keep it warm, or has the fire gone out?

Lucifer: (chuckling) Your wit is as sharp as ever, but I'm afraid you're broadcasting on the wrong frequency. Unlike some, I don't need tricks and theatrics to maintain my standing.

Charlie: (interrupting, trying to defuse) Okay, okay, that's enough! Dad, Alastor, can we please focus on what's important here? We're trying to create a place of redemption, not a battleground for egos!

Alastor: (turning to Charlie) My dear Charlie, you're absolutely right. It's not often one sees a flower trying to bloom in a field of weeds. (glances at Lucifer) No offense to the weeds, of course.

Lucifer: (also turning to Charlie) Of course, Charlie, your ambition is commendable. It's not every day someone tries to polish the tarnish off of Hell's finest. (eyes Alastor) Though some tarnish is too deep to ever really shine.

Charlie: (sighs) Thanks, I think? Can we get back to work now?
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This is the first attempt it made. I have not edited or revised or tried or said "hey, characterization" at all.

It's better.

What the fuck.

Tablet County said:
I think that's the result of a furry artist trying to draw a normalish person.
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All anime girls have a bit of a nose to chin snout for reasons, amplifying the pointiness of her chin and the "heart shape" to the anime girl face.

The tip of her nose being black is for contrast I think because Vivz or whatever. Or maybe there's a subtle clown thing going on or some 1700s fop shit with powdered wigs who knows it's fucking Vivz.
 
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The Nothingness said:
Lucifer is even worst than I anticipated. To quote another MST3K, "This guy was never in Heaven. He was casted out of community theater."
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I believe Lucifer is, other than ~mISunDeRStoOD~, 'goofy', per Vivz.

Now, if he had a temper, a hellacious (HEH) one, and he tries hard to be something he can't be, setting up Bugs Bunny (Alastor) vs Daffy Duck (Lucifer) in Hell, that might be funny, if we had someone good at writing to execute it.
 
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Cave Fisher said:
So I guess Alastor can just beef with the king of hell and live?
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Whatever man, I'm not even gonna ask why Alastor thinks it's a good idea to curse at Lucifer, because this show seems so rushed and passionless. There's no build up to anything, things just happen, and then they stop happening, like it's just a collection of connected clip shows.
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Everything about this is bad. The character design, the voices, the animation, the dialogue, the blocking, the background, who signed off on any of this
 
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