[Resolved] Domain Registrar & Epik's Seizure

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Still going, oh my god…
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The person running this Twitter account has subconsciously realized that their flagrant statements have no factual substance, but nevertheless maintains a self-righteous façade motivated by feeling intoxicated with imagined power that endows them with a sense of invincibility. For one, notice how the exchanges have moved away from how reprehensible KF is to how Epik will crush KF like a bug.

For another, he's basically revealed that the entire reason he accused KF of hosting CSAM and lied about receiving a court order to remove KF is because they believe KF to be equally slanderous, and performed their own slander to show KF 'what it feels like' as an act of public punishment. The fact they lied or what they lied about doesn't matter because the text of the accusation is superficial to the intended subtext, which is another reason they're no longer insisting on the CSAM or court order angle, because it's irrelevant to the real point they're making.

What's more, they felt safe in doing it because KiwiFarms is persona non grata and thus open season, so they're free to use us as a punching bag with impunity because no one would come to our defense & the perception that KF is too weak to defend itself.

They perceive themselves as a house cat and KiwiFarms as the mouse they caught stealing.

 

[Sheogorath]

kiwisisters i really hope epik sympathizers don't find out we're hosted by 1776 solutions can you imagine if they wrote complaints to it's owner it would be so over

 

[Spud]

hosted by 1776 solutions

It'll be worse when they find out that it used to be called The Final Solutions

 

[AnOminous]

It's only losing 75k if you lose. If you win, most civil suits also demand costs and fees be paid by the defendant.

The American rule is both sides pay their own fees barring a statute or rule to the contrary.

I'd also be amazed if a company run this badly would have any money anyway.

 

[ShinyStar]

The 1,157 people who voted "Yes, but I'm broke", how broke are you? It's really cool that some farmers are in a position where they can drop $1K or more but I don't think anyone expects that. I can't contribute a huge amount of money either, it'll probably be in the $50 range, but I intend to give what I can. If every one of you donated $5 we'd be looking at an additional $5000+ of funding for the Total Retard War. If you donated $2 it'd be $2000+ (that's how math works - neat, right?) and that's not a negligible amount. Your loose change can help make a difference.

Another thing to remember is that the lawsuit will take months (more realistically, years), so the question isn't just, "Do you have any loose change to donate today," but rather, "Will you at any point this year have loose change available?" If someone cannot, with months of time to prepare, manage to budget a few dollars for something they want to support, I would suggest that their budgeting issues are likely the reason they are a poor, and not visa versa...

 

[mindlessobserver]

It also needs to be pointed out Nool has paid out of pocket for numerous Lolsuits filed against the forum. including one still on going after going all the way to a Federal Circuit appeals court. So for those wondering if this is a griftsuit, that needs to be taken into account.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

It also needs to be pointed out Nool has paid out of pocket for numerous Lolsuits filed against the forum.

Literally every second post of Null's in this thread is him pointing that out. Which, tbf, is an important thing to consider.

 

[Harvey Danger]

I'd also be amazed if a company run this badly would have any money anyway.

There's an interesting bit in the ethics complaint linked in Lurka Derka's last post. Context is the old Epik was being sued by Adkisson, that suit's liability was holding up the sale to nu-Epik. Adkisson wanted a temporary restraining order to stop the deal, so Epik's counsel is explaining that a TRO isn't appropriate in this situation... and would also kill the entire company.




So in May of last year, pre-sale, Epik was in such bad condition that it was a week away from defaulting on its ICANN fees. And it couldn't satisfy a mere $4 million in creditors in a liquidation.

Adkisson settled and the deal went through, so presumably Epik's new owners handled the fees and are paying off creditors now. I don't know if Epik had a surge of new business and revenue in the last 7 months, but considering the downward trends others have posted I highly doubt it. I would be shocked if they somehow managed to stockpile free cash on hand in that time.

 

[ChromaQuack]

I had a bit of a retarded idea, I wonder if it would be possible for Nool to set up some form of crypto miner that runs from a browser tab? something that people would have to go out of their way to actually open but could donate their CPU/GPU cycles to while they browse the farms if they felt like it.

Unsure it'd make a big amount of cash since mining crypto is kind of dead, but if it's possible to set up and enough people use it then it might just cover the monthly pizza budget.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

I had a bit of a retarded idea, I wonder if it would be possible for Nool to set up some form of crypto miner that runs from a browser tab? something that people would have to go out of their way to actually open but could donate their CPU/GPU cycles to while they browse the farms if they felt like it.

Unsure it'd make a big amount of cash since mining crypto is kind of dead, but if it's possible to set up and enough people use it then it might just cover the monthly pizza budget.

He did that for a while, and while I don't know if it netted any ecoin, all it really did was put the site on a bunch of black lists for crypto-mining without consent (which as @AnOminous notes below, was b.s. as it was opt-in). There are still nanny lists that have the Farms blocked for that reason.

Edited to add context of the crypto that was running, thanks for the correction!

 

[Research Purposes Mostly]

@EpikLLC on X/Twitter has deleted those obnoxiously snarky posts, including the pinned message and poll.

Pretty sure they were up as recently as ~12 hours ago, but I'm unaware of any means of confirming that beyond my own recollection.
It looks like they haven't deleted replies, but the cringey and antagonistic posts are gone. I suspect the autistic intern who was running the account has been returned to adult daycare.

EDIT: Anyone got a recent-ish archive of the poll they posted? I wanna reply to all their posts with it.

 

[AnOminous]

He did that for a while, and while I don't know if it netted any ecoin, all it really did was put the site on a bunch of black lists for crypto-mining without consent.

Which was absolute bullshit as it was not only opt-in but you could even set exactly the amount of CPU to dedicate to it with a slider. The anti-crypto shit-for-brains assholes lied.

 

[The false copy of Sunder]

@EpikLLC on X/Twitter has deleted those obnoxiously snarky posts, including the pinned message and poll.
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Pretty sure they were up as recently as ~12 hours ago, but I'm unaware of any means of confirming that beyond my own recollection.
It looks like they haven't deleted replies, but the cringey and antagonistic posts are gone. I suspect the autistic intern who was running the account has been returned to adult daycare.

EDIT: Anyone got a recent-ish archive of the poll they posted? I wanna reply to all their posts with it.

I too saw them still up the other day or so. It's funny that they think deleting it now does anything now when the damage has obviously already been done and the false claims spread around. There is no actual difference between keeping the posts up and taking them down at this point, unless they're trying to hide and disguise the fact that they lied in such a way. Which is even more scummy behavior by them.

 

[Unexpected Genitals]

They deleted the posts? Oh good golly gosh, it sure would be a shame if there happened to be a gagglefuck of internet-dwellers whose mantra is literally "Archive Everything", wouldn't it...?

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

They deleted the posts? Oh good golly gosh, it sure would be a shame if there happened to be a gagglefuck of internet-dwellers whose mantra is literally "Archive Everything", wouldn't it...?

It still works in the eyes of normal people. Having to go the extra click to see the records of what they said is too much for far too many.

Or it's possibly because that whole "what does it matter if they are a child or 19" is an incredibly poor public statement for a company that almost certainly provides services to porn providers.

 

[Unexpected Genitals]

It still works in the eyes of normal people. Having to go the extra click to see the records of what they said is too much for far too many.

Or it's possibly because that whole "what does it matter if they are a child or 19" is an incredibly poor public statement for a company that almost certainly provides services to porn providers.

Sure, for the public, but as long as there's evidence that can be brought out in, say, a courtroom...

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Sure, for the public, but as long as there's evidence that can be brought out in, say, a courtroom...

Yep. I'm still all in for Null taking them to court but sadly the deleting the evidence is depressingly effective still for far too many morons.

 

[Banana Hammock]

Someone mentioned this earlier in the thread, but deleting defamatory statements after being informed that you're likely to be sued is a bad idea.

 

[The Connected Nose]

The American rule is both sides pay their own fees barring a statute or rule to the contrary.

I'd also be amazed if a company run this badly would have any money anyway.

I'm not talking about how the court is setup, I'm talking about the actual suits themselves. I've been involved in a few lawsuits on either side (and won), and every single time, the demand section included "Plaintiff's costs herein expended" along with "any and all further relief this Court deems just and proper."

Yep. I'm still all in for Null taking them to court but sadly the deleting the evidence is depressingly effective still for far too many morons.

Which is exactly why Null needs to do this. The statements are out there. The damage is being done. Deleting evidence doesn't undo the damage (also "spoliation of evidence" is highly frowned upon by the court).

However, while Epik posting what they claimed was CP as "evidence" may have been deleted, it wasn't the initial cause of action. That was falsely claiming that Null hosted that shit. And IIRC, that post is still up.

 

[LimeRikki]

They perceive themselves as a house cat and KiwiFarms as the mouse they caught stealing.

Didn't Keffals used to have that attitude?