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Again, you are missing the point. I am discussing masculinity and femininity and since your counterpoint is, well, yourself, it is fair game to critique you as well. It seems that you are not too good at discerning abstractions and ideas from specific people or groups and that gets you stuck in the realm of the anecdotal.
Who do you protect and sacrifice for? Because it seems like all you do is gossip about random women on the internet while insisting you know their gender presentation and personality better than they do (and of course that you're totally superior).
Android, we know exactly what you do because you tell us, constantly, about literally every facet of your life. Ranging from where you get your food, to the exact conventions you go to, to the pets you have, to your welfare and employment status, to your upbringing, to the kind of anime you watch, with photos included.
Where am I right now?
 
Who do you protect and sacrifice for?
There are people in my life who are important to me and for whom I'm willing to sacrifice.
Because it seems like all you do is gossip about random women on the internet
I don't gossip, I bully those who disturb peace.
while insisting you know their gender presentation and personality better than they are
Not the point, though you shared plenty enough about yours for others to make a good guess.
(and of course thar you're totally superior)
I don't know it for sure. All I see is how people carry themselves. I think it's the struggle that matters the most in a person.
 
I've also noticed the dudes who brag about what masculine providers and protectors they are tend to be the exact same dudes who ignore their kids except to smack them around and openly think spousal rape is no biggie.
Masculine virtue is an aspect of masculinity, but it's not the same thing. The same goes for toxic masculinity. Being a stalwart selfless provider for your family is very, very masculine. But so is emotionally neglecting them and raping your wife. Masculinity isn't an inherently 'good' thing and it isn't an inherently 'bad' thing, it just is what it is, and you're not it. It sucks that people have been calling you 'masculine' all your life because that's a go-to shaming tactic for untraditional and non-conformist women, and I feel for you, but you're not at all masculine.
 
Masculine virtue is an aspect of masculinity, but it's not the same thing. The same goes for toxic masculinity. Being a stalwart selfless provider for your family is very, very masculine. But so is emotionally neglecting them and raping your wife. Masculinity isn't an inherently 'good' thing and it isn't an inherently 'bad' thing, it just is what it is, and you're not it. It sucks that people have been calling you 'masculine' all your life because that's a go-to shaming tactic for untraditional and non-conformist women, and I feel for you, but you're not at all masculine.
I'm not feminine either, at least not enough to avoid being alienated by stereotypically feminine shit and spaces and get shat on by girls and adult women growing up.

Masculinity and femininity are dumb arbitrary social concepts anyway that are always changing. But just based on stereotypes, more of my interests and personality traits are masculine than feminine. My family made me very aware of that.
 
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I'm not feminine either, at least not enough to avoid being alienated by stereotypically feminine shit and spaces and get shat on by girls and adult women growing up.

Masculinity and femininity are dumb arbitrary social concepts anyway that are always changing.
Yes, I agree with this. But just because you weren't stereotypical and conformist and normal enough to not get shat on doesn't make you masculine. If you were a man and behaved like this you'd be shat on a million times harder by men who'd see you as a feminised sissy subhuman. 'Masculine' by female standards is like being 'soft' by diamond standards or 'stiff' by custard standards. It's very, very relative.
But just based on stereotypes, more of my interests and personality traits are masculine than feminine. My family made me very aware of that.
Your family was wrong. You're a sparkling feminine flower and you should be accepting of who you are instead of clinging to outdated and oppressive gender models as a lynchpin of your identity.
 
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Your family was wrong. You're a sparkling feminine flower and you should be accepting of who you are instead of clinging to outdated and oppressive gender models as a lynchpin of your identity.
I ain't wearing makeup outside of cosplay or wasting money to get my nails or hair did or w/e. And I sure as fuck am not giving up my bugs, spiders, snakes, toy dinosaurs, or mecha anime bullshit.

My sister actually used to like bugs and snakes and shit as much as me until sometime in middle school, when she decided she was afraid of them to conform to gender stereotypes. That's still the weirdest fucking shit to me.
 
Pretty sure I've been doing that for years by triggering them into hysterical bitchfits and impregnating @SSj_Ness
There's a higher chance of me getting impregnated than having hysterical bitchfits because of you. There's not a single debate in which you've stood any chance whatsoever on any topic, there's no reason for me to :smug:

Masculinity and femininity are dumb arbitrary social concepts anyway that are always changing.
That's not true, there's a biological basis for much of them.
 
I ain't wearing makeup outside of cosplay or wasting money to get my nails or hair did or w/e.
That's perfectly fine, you don't have to.
And I sure as fuck am not giving up my bugs, spiders, snakes, toy dinosaurs, or mecha anime bullshit.
Believe it or not but ten-year-old boys are not the towering pinnacle of masculinity you seem to think they are.
 
Believe it or not but ten-year-old boys are not the towering pinnacle of masculinity you seem to think they are.
No but you wouldn't exactly call a stereotypical 10 year-old boy feminine either. And a girl or women who acts like one isn't going to be treated well or not be alienated by what society expects her to be.

At this point I'm fine to chalk up my existence to the dying wish of an 11 year-old boy who wished to be reincarnated as a chick with big boobs. That makes about as much sense as anything else.
I could probably cook better than you too actually...
I don't doubt that.

My crusty unwashed plate and utensils I've been using for weeks on end say hi.
 
I don't doubt that.

My crusty unwashed plate and utensils I've been using for weeks on end say hi.
That speaks more to laziness than ability, but I'll accept your first ever concession to me regardless.

What's the biological basis behind tights, high heels and skirts being feminine?
I said "much" of them, not all, though there could still seem to be one, because it's been shown that young boys typically have interests in what we consider traditionally masculine things; they don't gravitate towards dolls in pretty dresses like girls do. They prefer the tough looking soldiers or whatever.
 
Then what is it?
I am so wishing I had a 'sigh' sticker for this.

You aren't a man, I don't even think you want to be one or have masculine qualities. There is strength in the feminine. We have convinced men to war over us and our opinions carry. We'll be as deadly as men, we just have our other ways around it. Don't let anyone force you to believe it is weak to be a woman. Yeah physically, but in all other ways? Come at us both XX and XY.

I am dead convinced these two are done and want to hatefuck at this point:

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That speaks more to laziness than ability, but I'll accept your first ever concession to me regardless.
On the list @Billy Bob Dick posted the part about using one plate/fork/etc for weeks and not washing it called me the fuck out. I am disgusting and lazy and admit that.

If you can do more than fry an egg in a pan or throw some frozen veggies into ramen you can cook better than me. I ain't gonna deny that and I'll give credit where it's due.
I am so wishing I had a 'sigh' sticker for this.

You aren't a man, I don't even think you want to be one or have masculine qualities. There is strength in the feminine. We have convinced men to war over us and our opinions carry. We'll be as deadly as men, we just have our other ways around it. Don't let anyone force you to believe it is weak to be a woman. Yeah physically, but in all other ways? Come at us both XX and XY.
Well yeah, but I'm still not stereotypically feminine or interested in most stereotypically feminine things. People trying to force me to in the past has not ended well for anyone involved.
I said "much" of them, not all, though there could still seem to be one, because it's been shown that young boys typically have interests in what we consider traditionally masculine things; they don't gravitate towards dolls in pretty dresses like girls do. They prefer the tough looking soldiers or whatever.
Damn i guess I was actually a boy then lol
 
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On the list @Billy Bob Dick posted the part about using one plate/fork/etc for weeks and not washing it called me the fuck out. I am disgusting and lazy and admit that.

If you can do more than fry an egg in a pan or throw some frozen veggies into ramen you can cook better than me. I ain't gonna deny that and I'll give credit where it's due.
Wait... Why would you do that?! Just get disposable utensils.

I'm no chef but I can cook passable versions of any normal meal (spaghetti, chili, burgers, etc).

Well yeah, but I'm still not stereotypically feminine or interested in most stereotypically feminine things. People trying to force me to in the past has not ended well for anyone involved.
You fap to that weird shit female weebs like, you dress fairly femininely, and you have the typical mental and emotional instability of a woman. You're feminine, just a feminine weirdo.
 
You fap to that weird shit female weebs like, you dress fairly femininely, and you have the typical mental and emotional instability of a woman. You're feminine, just a feminine weirdo.
Outside of cosplay I don't dress femininely
Wait... Why would you do that?! Just get disposable utensils.
That costs money
 
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