The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Sparkling Yuzu]

@Party Hat Wurmple is having a normal one in A&H, bringing up abortion unprompted.

It's simple. It's not an opinion that abortion is murder. If it's legal, it's state sanctioned murder. It's a fact. Not an opinion. Just like pedophiles deserve the chair. Everyone on this site is happy to stomp in a child molester's head. Molesting children is an evil act. Putting up a statue of Satan, to "pwn the Christians" while not equivalent, is an evil act.

I don't view doing something evil to destroy evil as an evil act and the Bible actively tells us not to. So yes, smash the gay ass statue. If you want to sell your ass hole to Satan, then you can burn in Hell. If you want to force evil imagery upon others against their will, I will happily expedite your trip to Hell. The guy who did this is no different than the people at Balenciaga who diddle the kids. The people who approved it are no better than the Epstein clients. They're all the same.

I have about 50 years of the Rise and Era of Clown World that prove that this statement isn't just wrong, but that you're retarded and autistic for even suggesting it.

Yes. The meme was a lie. You do need a book to tell you murder is wrong. If you didn't, abortion wouldn't exist.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

@Party Hat Wurmple is having a normal one in A&H, bringing up abortion unprompted.

It's a convenient example that proves the exact point I was making that's easy enough for everyone understand.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

It's a convenient example that proves the exact point I was making that's easy enough for everyone understand.

Have you ever been tested for psychosis?

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Have you ever been tested for psychosis?

Well, I have no desire to engage in a multi page sperg out with someone who has the tag "i love monstergirls and abortion" about abortion. I think that's plenty proof I'm not psychotic. My post was about needing something, like the Bible, to tell you right from wrong.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

My post was about needing something, like the Bible, to tell you right from wrong.

I love when you look for books on ethics and the Bible is the only book on it that exists.

 

[KiwiFarmer9993!]

I think most people would agree with me on my opinion, but maybe not.
I believe you should be able to get an abortion under these conditions:

•Rape
•Incest
•Fetus has a deformidy that would affect quality of life, (ie. Spina bifida/born without legs or some shit)
•Being fucking 11 or 12
•Being a severe potato/really low IQ (ie: having the mental capacity of a fucking child)
•Mother's life at risk / her body is at risk of severe injury (ie: being a midget and having a normal sized baby)
•Selective abortion/reduction because you have fucking quads+ that would put mom / all the fetuses at risk or some shit (ie: octomom)

•Some variation / related reason I did not explicitly state on here. I believe these are all very real reasons to abort. Not to say you should abort willy nilly and I do NOT support abortion on demand, but there ARE good reasons why a woman / girl / married couple might decide to go the abortion route and I believe we should be nuanced about that. Nothing is black and white.

EDIT: I also do not agree with abortions after fetal viability (ie: 24 weeks) it should be in the first trimester if you can, and somberly if after the 12th week up to the 24th because at that point the baby has a chance to breath on his/her own.

 

[Dire Dire Cocks]

The three times it would be acceptable to get an abortion:

• If it would threaten the life of the mother
• If the child would come out horrifically deformed
• If it was a racial mongrel

Point #2 applies to incest and #1 applies to children giving birth (surprise, it will most likely threaten the life of the child).

If the Mother doesn’t want to keep the child, she should put it up for adoption.

 

[Chandelier]

It's simple. It's not an opinion that abortion is murder. If it's legal, it's state sanctioned murder. It's a fact. Not an opinion. Just like pedophiles deserve the chair. Everyone on this site is happy to stomp in a child molester's head. Molesting children is an evil act. Putting up a statue of Satan, to "pwn the Christians" while not equivalent, is an evil act.

"It is a fact"

Very well. You view it as murder. What do you want done to the women who get them, for any reason? Do you want them spending a lifetime in prison, or the death penalty? Be honest.

If life begins at conception, you're going to have to view ALL assisted reproductive technologies as murder, including IVF, which Alabama's Supreme Court just did:

The Alabama ruling, which was released Friday, stems from two lawsuits filed by three sets of parents who underwent in vitro fertilization (IVF) procedures to have babies and then opted to have the remaining embryos frozen.

The parents allege in December 2020, a patient at the Mobile hospital where the frozen embryos were being stored walked into the fertility clinic through an “unsecured doorway,” and removed several embryos from the cryogenic nursery, the state’s Supreme Court ruling said. The patient’s hand was “freeze-burned” by the extremely low temperatures the embryos were stored in and the patient dropped them on the floor, killing them, according to the ruling.

The parents sued for wrongful death but a trial court dismissed their claims, finding the “cryopreserved, in vitro embryos involved in this case do not fit within the definition of a ‘person’ or ‘child,’” according to the ruling.
But in a stunning reversal last week, the state Supreme Court disagreed, noting “extrauterine children” – or, unborn children “located outside of a biological uterus at the time they are killed” – are children, and they are covered under the state’s Wrongful Death of a Minor law.

So, anyone involved in the death of an embryo will now be charged with the death of a child. We'll see how this plays out in court. Alabama, btw, voted in 2018 to have a constitutional amendment to protect the 'unborn child', so any fallout from this ruling will be entirely on their hands. It is funny, though, as many Christians use IVF to get their much wanted designer babies.

Though the court’s decision does not prohibit IVF, it’s the first known case in which a US court says frozen embryos are human beings, and that could have profound impacts on how the fertility industry in Alabama operates, critics warned.
They say it could send liability costs skyrocketing, making fertility treatment prices prohibitive for many families; it could discourage medical providers from performing infertility treatments in fear of being held liable each time an embryo does not turn into a successful pregnancy; and it could mean parents will now be forced to pay for lifelong storage fees of embryos they will never be allowed to discard, even if they don’t want any more children.

“No rational medical provider would continue to provide services for creating and maintaining frozen embryos knowing that they must continue to maintain such frozen embryos forever or risk the penalty of a Wrongful Death Act claim,” Alabama Supreme Court Justice Greg Cook wrote in the sole full dissenting opinion.

“There is no doubt that there are many Alabama citizens praying to be parents who will no longer have that opportunity,” he added.

So what happens to those frozen embryos? They'll stay in those tubes, frozen forever:

“The People of Alabama have declared the public policy of this State to be that unborn human life is sacred,” Chief Justice Tom Parker wrote in his concurring opinion. “We believe that each human being, from the moment of conception, is made in the image of God, created by Him to reflect His likeness.”

The defendants in the case – the fertility clinic, the hospital and its owner – argued creating wrongful-death liability for frozen embryos would substantially increase the costs of the treatment and could make the preservation of the embryos “onerous” for Alabama families. CNN reached out to representatives of the defendants but has not heard back.

The Alabama Medical Association, which also weighed in prior to the court’s decision, warned such a ruling would create an “enormous potential for civil liability” for fertility specialists, because embryos can be damaged or become unsuitable for pregnancy at any time during an IVF process, including when they are being thawed.

And the ruling could mean parents cannot opt to discard embryos, which happens for a number of reasons, including divorce or the death of one of the two, the association said.

That would cause “embryos to remain in cryogenic storage even after the couple who underwent the IVF treatment have died and potentially even after the couple’s children, grandchildren, and even great grandchildren have died,” the state’s medical association wrote in an amicus brief.

What a life. Interesting, though, is that embryos/fetuses aren't considered US citizens - a point I've made before, which would call into question the entire legality of things such as anchor babies and citizenship laws. Certain states accrue child benefits on fetuses, but not all of them. Tennessee was another state where embryos weren't considered people unless they're fertilized in the uterus. It seems Alabama decided to be consistent.

I don't view doing something evil to destroy evil as an evil act and the Bible actively tells us not to. So yes, smash the gay ass statue. If you want to sell your ass hole to Satan, then you can burn in Hell. If you want to force evil imagery upon others against their will, I will happily expedite your trip to Hell. The guy who did this is no different than the people at Balenciaga who diddle the kids. The people who approved it are no better than the Epstein clients. They're all the same.

The Catholic Church in the Medieval era knew about abortion, and even participated in them if the woman was dying during childbirth. To them, the woman can live to have another child. A doomed pregnancy that will kill her will leave behind a grieving family. That's the end result of all this: you value life so much you are content letting a woman die so she can bring forth someone else, in a bizarre Christian religious rite where you feel good about your morals.

The Bible has plenty of references to kids getting murdered in the name of righteousness. Despite the fetus being deemed innocent, Canaanite fetuses and children sure weren't. Either you're born into sin or you aren't.

Lila Rose once said abortion is never medically necessary:

Say it happens to your spouse. Your wife is pregnant with a much wanted pregnancy - neither of you even think about abortion at all. Complications arise. Your wife loses most of her blood. Sepsis, or some other life-threatening condition, emerges. Her heart rate is dropping. Vital signs are dropping. One solution is to terminate the pregnancy - implying you're in a state with that exception (exceptions that exist ON PAPER, rarely are they ever done in reality) or let her die.

Knowing you, you'll let her die. And your 'precious baby' too. Just to make a point. Might as well tell the other sobbing fathers and husbands watching their wives suffer from complications they deserve it, too. That they should burn in Hell.

It's a convenient example that proves the exact point I was making that's easy enough for everyone understand.

The original thread never mentioned abortion. It was about toppling a statue.

However, despite all the teeth-gnashing on how terrible you find it to be, like most men here you won't be adopting any kids. Especially if they're a mixed race one. I know enough about right wing men to see their memes on them, and can imagine the curl of their lip in disgust. Abortion is murder, but child support is rape, or something.

If it's all murder to you, I'm keen to see what you want done to the doctors and women getting the procedure. Lay out your plans.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Very well. You view it as murder. What do you want done to the women who get them, for any reason?

For the women who had it done already? Nothing. For the women who do it after the effective date of the law? Prison. Minimum 10-20 for murder/manslaughter. For the doctors who perform them after the ban? Same. Licenses stripped and banned from practice forever.

If life begins at conception, you're going to have to view ALL assisted reproductive technologies as murder, including IVF,

No, there's an argument one can make that the spirit of IVF is to assist in the creation of life. The spirit of my argument against is abortion is that it ends life. IVF should be allowed, because it's goal is to assist in creation, not termination. Abortion is an inherent evil because it's just a termination of life. IVF is not necessarily evil because the end goal is creation of life.

To address your article specifically though, some random confused patient killing a bunch of frozen embryos while probably high on morphine, yeah they're going to be in some deep shit. The hospital should have those doors locked too with warning signs.

But hey, if you really are that hellbent on demanding we be consistent by bashing IVF and making thousands of childless women suffer just to try to get in me a half-assed gotcha moment on a web forum post that's nearly a month old, then fuck it, lets get rid of it. I don't believe in designer babies anyway. I'll adopt the niggers at the orphanage and have a family that looks like the United Nations. I don't give a rat's anus. Talk about cutting off your hand to spite your face though...

Catholic Church in the Medieval era knew about abortion, and even participated in them if the woman was dying during childbirth.

Something tells me a woman in medieval times who was dying during labor was pretty screwed regardless of whether an abortion was performed or not.

That's the end result of all this: you value life so much you are content letting a woman die so she can bring forth someone else

Yes. I am 100% content letting you die so you can bring forth a child you didn't want.

Chances are if you're having an abortion, you already wasted your life anyway banging the wrong guy.

Say it happens to your spouse

No wife of mine would choose their own life over that of their child's. Period. It just wouldn't happen. And God forbid if I did, my wife would hang me for it.

That's what makes a woman a good wife. If you don't share that sentiment, then it speaks volumes about your value as a wife.

Knowing you, you'll let her die.

Yes. Even if the child didn't make it, my wife would sooner take the chance, even if it failed. Sorry you don't love your children as much as your parents probably loved you.

you won't be adopting any kids. Especially if they're a mixed race one.

If I couldn't have children, I'd adopt as I stated earlier. My name will live on by any means necessary.

The original thread never mentioned abortion. It was about toppling a statue.

It was a convenient example for the topic. The topic was morality we can't agree on. My point was we can't even agree "murder is wrong" because abortion exists and it causes a debate on what is and isn't murder. Hence, morality we can't agree on.

Sorry, but your little shaming attempt / sperg out isn't going to work on me. I'm perfectly content with being an ass hole.

 

[Trad Cunt]

I can't quote directly because of either personal retardation or nigger site settings about new accounts, but I wanted to address what you said, @Chandelier, about the Catholic Church and abortion.

You said:
"The Catholic Church in the Medieval era knew about abortion, and even participated in them if the woman was dying during childbirth. To them, the woman can live to have another child. A doomed pregnancy that will kill her will leave behind a grieving family. That's the end result of all this: you value life so much you are content letting a woman die so she can bring forth someone else, in a bizarre Christian religious rite where you feel good about your morals.

The Bible has plenty of references to kids getting murdered in the name of righteousness. Despite the fetus being deemed innocent, Canaanite fetuses and children sure weren't. Either you're born into sin or you aren't."

You're actually right that the Catholic Church participated in abortions in the medieval era, but according to this medical necessity condition we actually still participate in them now. St. Thomas Aquinas, a Doctor of the Church and our foremost theologian and philosopher (depending on who you ask) came up with a self-defense principle called the Principle of Double Effect which theologically justifies killing to save another life. The principle works thusly:
An action with both good and bad effects can be morally permissible if it meets the following criteria:

Intention: The intention behind the action must be good, not evil.
Means-End: The bad effect must not be the means by which the good effect is achieved.
Proportionality: The good effect must be proportionately greater than the bad effect.
Necessity: There must be no other way to achieve the good effect without causing the bad effect.

Applying this to abortion, we would say its morally permissible to perform an abortion in the case of medical necessity because the action meets all of the criteria.

Intention: The intention behind the action is to save the mother's life, not kill the child.
Means-End: The bad effect (the death of the child) must not be the means by which the good effect (the continuation of the mother's life) is achieved. This is because the death of the child is not directly the means of alleviating the medical emergency. For example, the good effect of removing an ectopic pregnancy isn't brought about by the killing of the child, it's brought about by removing a fatal obstruction in the fallopian tube. The principle of non-aggression would apply here as well, so the child ought be removed by the gentlest means possible.
Proportionality: The good effect (saving the mother's life) is proportionately greater than the bad effect (unintentionally losing the life of the child).
Necessity: There is no other way to achieve the good effect of saving the mother's life without inadvertently causing the bad effect of ending the child's.

 

[Chandelier]

For the women who had it done already? Nothing. For the women who do it after the effective date of the law? Prison. Minimum 10-20 for murder/manslaughter. For the doctors who perform them after the ban? Same. Licenses stripped and banned from practice forever.

Ah, the typical pro life stance. Jail for women because they didn't want to have - or were forced to end - a pregnancy a man wants. And here you wonder why such a monstrous, barbaric stance is not a winning stance among women.

No, there's an argument one can make that the spirit of IVF is to assist in the creation of life. The spirit of my argument against is abortion is that it ends life. IVF should be allowed, because it's goal is to assist in creation, not termination. Abortion is an inherent evil because it's just a termination of life. IVF is not necessarily evil because the end goal is creation of life.

IVF involves the destruction of embryos. You pro lifers go on and on about how you are more in line with the science and yet you do not know how this technology works. You argue that life begins at conception. Therefore, an embryo is a person. An embryo in a test tube is a person. Therefore, if it is in any way destroyed, that's murder. Alabama seemed to take it to its logical conclusion - you sure as hell don't.

IVF and embryonic screening will involve the destruction of unviable or genetically defective embryos. That is how it's going to be in the next few years.

If abortion is murder, and you say it is, then you cannot argue it's manslaughter. You need to be consistent.

But hey, if you really are that hellbent on demanding we be consistent by bashing IVF and making thousands of childless women suffer just to try to get in me a half-assed gotcha moment on a web forum post that's nearly a month old, then fuck it, lets get rid of it. I don't believe in designer babies anyway. I'll adopt the niggers at the orphanage and have a family that looks like the United Nations. I don't give a rat's anus. Talk about cutting off your hand to spite your face though...

Skill issue. Those childless women were told by God to remain sterile.

Go ahead and start adopting, good sir. No need to lecture me about it. Go and abide by your principles.

Something tells me a woman in medieval times who was dying during labor was pretty screwed regardless of whether an abortion was performed or not.

They were still performed, and women still terminated their pregnancies. The Church knew about it and knew that when it comes to saving a woman or the child, the woman would have to be saved. A grown woman can still reproduce. A woman dying in childbirth would end the chance of having any more. They were still more reasonable than American pro lifers, shocker.

Yes. I am 100% content letting you die so you can bring forth a child you didn't want.

There it is. I always love it when men come right out and tell random women they need to die - and in the most horrible ways imaginable - so they can puff our their chests and get that moral high. That way, whenever other pro life men say that they 'never say that' or that their side 'never believes that', I have plenty of receipts. Why, you're the second man to tell me that today. I'm on a roll.

You'll let a woman die to get that child, and then what? You gonna raise that child? Something tells me no. You'll hand it over to adoption centers because it's OK to have another man raise your child. Men willingly admitting they'd let their potential spouse die to prove a point are not morally sound people.

Chances are if you're having an abortion, you already wasted your life anyway banging the wrong guy.

Always pin the blame on the woman. You're the same men bitching about divorce rates and how you'd get raped in family courts. Should've picked a different woman, then. And then you bitch and moan about child support, as if you don't want a role in the child you helped create. The rational sex doesn't want to accept responsibility! Imagine that.

No wife of mine would choose their own life over that of their child's. Period. It just wouldn't happen. And God forbid if I did, my wife would hang me for it.

I sincerely hope you do not marry. No woman, no matter how much she loves you, is going to want to die on a hospital bed. In fact, if you're there telling her you value her potential fetus and child over her, you never really loved her. You viewed her as an incubator. Cows get more respect.

Plenty of men like you act real tough on their morals until your other kids start screaming at you as to what's happening to mommy. They'll grow up knowing daddy dearest was perfectly fine watching their mother die for a pregnancy that wasn't even guaranteed. Dying alone in a nursing home is the least of your worries.

That's what makes a woman a good wife. If you don't share that sentiment, then it speaks volumes about your value as a wife.

You're the farthest thing from a good man, let alone a respectable creature, especially with how willing you are to tell women to die. It's happened quite often in this thread and I appreciate the men who out themselves with it. Peak husband material is when you tell your potential spouse you are fine seeing her die because you valued your potential bloodline over her life. You didn't see her as your equal. You saw her as a means to an end. You're already dictating your will over your hypothetical wife, which says a fucking lot. And then men like you wonder why no one wants to marry them.

Yes. Even if the child didn't make it, my wife would sooner take the chance, even if it failed. Sorry you don't love your children as much as your parents probably loved you.

Would she? Hypothetically YOU say yes, but I doubt she would. Despite men like you saying otherwise, women do have agency and are capable of their own decisions. If you're there telling her she will have to die to get your precious child, and should you have other children and they hear that, rest assured, they will despise you until their death.

If I couldn't have children, I'd adopt as I stated earlier. My name will live on by any means necessary.

Adoption is satanic. It was illegal for most of history for a reason. You're taking children not of your bloodline, who will never be loyal to you, instead of any natural born children - because the wife you had died. Your name won't live on. It'll die on the last dwindled, broken branch - and that's solely because of your decisions.

It was a convenient example for the topic. The topic was morality we can't agree on. My point was we can't even agree "murder is wrong" because abortion exists and it causes a debate on what is and isn't murder. Hence, morality we can't agree on.

You sperged about it in an unrelated thread. Now that you're in the related thread, the first thing you do is tell another woman that she should die. The jokes write themselves.

Sorry, but your little shaming attempt / sperg out isn't going to work on me. I'm perfectly content with being an ass hole.

An being an asshole of your calibre doesn't win wives, votes, or sympathy. You're content on letting your theoretical wife die to get that vaunted baby you want, even if it's a doomed pregnancy. I really fucking wonder why such a blatant pro-life attitude is losing even in red states. I really wonder why men like you wonder why they aren't getting wives with that attitude. Assholes don't earn loyalty. They earn contempt.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

No wife of mine would choose their own life over that of their child's. Period. It just wouldn't happen. And God forbid if I did, my wife would hang me for it.

"My wife" aka the waifu pillow on your bed.

My name will live on by any means necessary.

Your last name is probably Smith or something else extremely common.

Yes. I am 100% content letting you die so you can bring forth a child you didn't want.

Even if the child won't survive?

Cows get more respect.

Praise Hathor!

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Jail for women because they didn't want to have - or were forced to end

Yes.

a pregnancy a man wants

Especially yes. Men should be able to claim sole custody in lieu of a woman having an abortion.

If abortion is murder, and you say it is, then you cannot argue it's manslaughter.

Okay. I'm not attached to IVF. I'm not going to die on this hill. My point was though was that abortion is evil because the only purpose of it is the destruction of life. There is an argument that IVF is okay because the spirit of it is to create life, which is good. If you want to argue that life would be sacrificed for it, then the counter argument is that life wasn't going to be created there anyway without it, so the sacrifice is worth it.

But again, I'm not dying on this hill.

The Church knew about it and knew that when it comes to saving a woman or the child, the woman would have to be saved. A grown woman can still reproduce. A woman dying in childbirth would end the chance of having any more.

Let's make one thing clear. I do not like the Catholic Church. I do not believe in the Catholic Church. I do not believe majority of Christian Churches are true Christians. I do not like the Vatican and the Pope is a fucking nigger. So I do not agree with what some ancient Catholic priests did thousands of years ago.

There it is. I always love it when men come right out and tell random women they need to die - and in the most horrible ways imaginable - so they can puff our their chests and get that moral high. That way, whenever other pro life men say that they 'never say that' or that their side 'never believes that', I have plenty of receipts. Why, you're the second man to tell me that today. I'm on a roll.

Yes and it's because I think you're a dumbass and not worthy of life.

You'll let a woman die to get that child, and then what? You gonna raise that child?

Yes. Why would I not? It's my kid...You're a lunatic.

Men willingly admitting they'd let their potential spouse die to prove a point are not morally sound people

You said die to save our child. That is not to prove a point. That is the crux of a mothers love. I would happily die for my children because I love them. That is not to prove a point. I'm sorry your parents didn't love you enough for you to share that sentiment for your own children.

Should've picked a different woman, then.

Men are. They're abandoning Western women like you in droves. But you don't like that either, do you?

In fact, if you're there telling her you value her potential fetus and child over her, you never really loved her

I'm sorry your children, future or otherwise, will be raised by a mother who won't lay down their lives for them. I wish them the best.

You're the farthest thing from a good man, let alone a respectable creature, especially with how willing you are to tell women to die. It's happened quite often in this thread and I appreciate the men who out themselves with it. Peak husband material is when you tell your potential spouse you are fine seeing her die because you valued your potential bloodline over her life. You didn't see her as your equal. You saw her as a means to an end. You're already dictating your will over your hypothetical wife, which says a fucking lot. And then men like you wonder why no one wants to marry them.

You sure love to act like my wife has no thoughts or agency of her own.

Would she? Hypothetically YOU say yes, but I doubt she would.

I've asked her and she's said happily die for her children in a heartbeat. She also says you're a crazy lunatic.

Despite men like you saying otherwise, women do have agency and are capable of their own decisions.

You sure do act like women don't have agency.

they will despise you until their death.

Or perhaps, they understand their mother would rather save their brother/sister and honor her sacrifice by respecting her decision, even if it hurts. I wouldn't them to taint my wife's sacrifice out of love with their own bitterness. Not everyone has to grow up a bitter autistic retard for every one of their parent's decisions. It's called being a mature adult.

Adoption is satanic. It was illegal for most of history for a reason. You're taking children not of your bloodline, who will never be loyal to you, instead of any natural born children - because the wife you had died.

You think the kid who was rotting in an orphanage isn't going to be happy to have someone who loves them and raises them and cares for them? You've never spent any time with children and it shows.

An being an asshole of your calibre doesn't win wives, votes, or sympathy.

Good thing I'm not looking for those.

Your last name is probably Smith or something else extremely common.

Ah shit. You doxxed me, I'm Wurmple Smith, please leave Jada Dustox alone! Get my wife's wing out of your fucking mouth!!!!

Even if the child won't survive?

Yes. Partially at this point because I don't like her.

I really fucking wonder why such a blatant pro-life attitude is losing even in red states

You know, I think it's really quite an amazing feat you've accomplished here. You've managed to make Android Raptor look completely fucking sane. At least she puts all of her points under the lens of her own view of the world. For, you it's like you're incapable incapable of thinking the world doesn't revolve around you. Nobody has any agency or decision making power according to you and I can somehow control my wife into being a human incubator against her will.

 

[Trad Cunt]

@Party Hat Wurmple Maybe if you accepted the true church and its doctrine you'd have some theological basis and metaethical consistency to your arguments, since currently you're getting intellectually schooled in a low level abortion debate by some radfem with an autistic digital art profile pic. Very poor pro-life showing, nondenom nigger.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Maybe if you accepted the true church and its doctrine

No. Prove to me that Pope Francis isn't a fucking nigger and I'll accept the church. You can't because he's tarnished everything the Pope and the Church stands for.

you're getting intellectually schooled in a low level abortion debate by some radfem

Oh I'm sorry, I guess I missed that part. What part has she proven me wrong? She's a lunatic harpy who makes Raptor look sane by comparison.

Very poor pro-life showing, nondenom nigger.

Let me make this very clear. You're saying I'm getting owned by a woman who insists:

1. That I would make a decision to save my child over my wife's life and then abandon said child for no reason.

2. That I am an awful husband for choosing to let my wife to save our child.

3. That I am an ass hole for refusing to marry a wife that would choose herself over her child's life if it came to it.

4. That my children would forever loath me if I chose to save their brother/sister lives over their mother's and they wouldn't respect the decision made and there's nothing I could say/do to make them understand, regardless of whether it's what my wife wanted or not.

5. That my wife wouldn't die for a chance to save her children and I am manipulating her into that decision because she has no free will of her own.

6. That despite saying I should adopt, then turns around and says adoption is evil?

7. Believes adoption is evil to pwn the pro lifers?


This, THIS is what you agree with and think is sane and reasonable thought processes?

 

[CashMoney!]

Redditor femoids seething that normal women would give their life for their children. Any woman who's lost a baby to stillbirth or shortly after birth will tell you that they wish they could have traded places so their child had a chance at life.

 

[Trad Cunt]

No. Prove to me that Pope Francis isn't a fucking nigger and I'll accept the church. You can't because he's tarnished everything the Pope and the Church stands for.

The primacy of the pope is Biblical. I thought you prot-brainrots were supposed to be scripture literate? Explain Isaiah 22:15-24, Matthew 16:18, and the entirety of Acts and get back to me. If you think Pope Francis's progressive disposition in any way negates the primacy of the pope or the ontological reality of the church, you're a retard and you don't understand the concept and requirements for papal decree. Regardless, St. Aquinas lived in the 13th century, supposedly before the decline of the church. Yet you dismiss his entire scholarship because you're upset about the current pope? Genuinely ridiculous.

Oh I'm sorry, I guess I missed that part. What part has she proven me wrong? She's a lunatic harpy who makes Raptor look sane by comparison.

I'm not surprised you missed the ridiculous concessions and comments you made.

• You conceded to having no medical exception for abortion when the mother's life is at risk, which no sane legal or ethical system agrees to, even in pro-life states and countries. This, by the way, would also render any argument for self defense completely logically inconsistent. Of course, it's honorable and loving to lay down one's life for one's friends as in John 15:13 or to not fight back against an attacker, but this is explicitly not part of Christian theology.
• You conceded that it is morally permissible to bring children into the world merely to die at the hands of IVF eugenicists. This would imply that anything that is procreative is permissible, including killing human beings. According to this logic, you could also say rape is morally permissible if the ultimate goal is to bring about life, despite the entirely immoral consequences bring about this life.
• Your rhetoric is absolutely atrocious. Do you think you're convincing anyone by telling someone in a pro-life debate, from a Christian perspective, that you don't think they're deserving of life. If you actually pick up your Bible, you'll realize that worthiness of life is not your decision to make. That's the whole fucking point of this debate.
  

Redditor femoids seething that normal women would give their life for their children. Any woman who's lost a baby to stillbirth or shortly after birth will tell you that they wish they could have traded places so their child had a chance at life.

This is a very honorable act, and of course personally I would do this. But ethically we are weighing two things of equal weight: the mother's life, and the child's life. There is no consistent stance you could take that would necessitate something (a human life in this case) of moral weight be destroyed to save something of the equal moral weight. If you have an argument for this, I'd love to hear it. However even most pro-life countries such as Poland and the most pro-life intuitions such as the Catholic Church still allow for a medical necessity exception.

 

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"The primacy of the Pope is biblical" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA using Catholicism to gotcha anything in a debate is the biggest intellectual L. Do you know anything except Pope, eat hot chip, protestant grawping, and lie?

 

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"The primacy of the Pope is biblical" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA using Catholicism to gotcha anything in a debate is the biggest intellectual L. Do you know anything except Pope, eat hot chip, protestant grawping, and lie?

Lol, nothing says intellectual competency more than legitimately typing out, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA." Good thing God is good and clinical retardation isn't a sin, or I'd be more concerned for your salvation than I already am.

Anyways, get out your picture-book version of the Bible (since I'm assuming that's the only version you can read) and explain Isaiah 22:15-24, Matthew 16:18, and the entirety of Acts for me, please. Thnx.

 

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If you understood your own theology you hinge everything on, you wouldn't need people on the Internet to explain it to you. Sad.